It's Time to Mandate Vaccines

[Westside]

9 minutes ago, BillStime said:

No - Jim simply rehighlighted an old  argument he lost again - he is on a roll.

 

But I get it westside2 - you losers stick together 

Yawn

[Chef Jim]

7 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Only irrelevant because it completely DESTROYS your poorly thought out argument. 

 

You're a loser baby.

Ok…point out how your question is relevant. 
 

Go ahead. DESTROY me!  😂😂😂

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Ok…point out how your question is relevant. 
 

Go ahead. DESTROY me!  😂😂😂

 

Come to terms with another loss Covid Jim - you can do it.

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

 

Come to terms with another loss Covid Jim - you can do it.

How have I lost?  You can’t even point it out. Come on dude. Clarifiy your point.  Make your point or go home. 
 

Here…I’ll make your point for you. Moderna got $2.5b J&J got $1b so ha!  
 

Uuummmm Pfizer got $1.95b. 🙄

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

How have I lost?  You can’t even point it out. Come on dude. Clarifiy your point.  Make your point or go home. 
 

Here…I’ll make your point for you. Moderna got $2.5b J&J got $1b so ha!  
 

Uuummmm Pfizer got $1.95b. 🙄

 

You lost bro...  freakn hilarious.

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

 

You lost bro...  freakn hilarious.

Please explain to all here how I lost.  The fact you won’t (or can’t) is very telling. 
 

It’s ok man. I heard the Bills have a great team again.  So you’ve got that winning to look forward to. 
 

 

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

Please explain to all here how I lost.  The fact you won’t (or can’t) is very telling. 
 

It’s ok man. I heard the Bills have a great team again.  So you’ve got that winning to look forward to. 
 

 

 

How much government money did Pfizer take for R&D? ___________

How much government money did Moderna take for R&D? ___________

How much government money did J&J take for R&D? ___________

 

The questions you refuse to answer is telling...

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Buffarukus]

3 hours ago, GaryPinC said:

Reading your thoughts, I come away with two distinct impressions.  1.  You feel that the delta variant is now being contracted and spread routinely by the vaccinated and 2.  That natural infection/immunity would push Covid to mutate to a less deadly form.  

 

Neither is true (at least at this point).

Keeping it simple, WRT 1, just because delta has shown an increase of infection/transmission in the vaccinated doesn't mean it has completely broken down these vaccine-mediated protections.   Science can change over time, but at this point the delta surge is very much a surge in the unvaccinated.

 

WRT 2, viruses infect, replicate, and mutate.  The more it circulates, the more it mutates.  Immunity, whether induced or natural, reduces circulation.  Delta, or any of the other subtypes, did not occur because of vaccination, they occured because of widespread circulation.

 

There's truth to what you're trying to say about a natural course resulting in some kind of stasis, but what is the cost of allowing this to happen? 

In 18 or so months, Covid-2 has proven the ability to overwhelm healthcare systems multiple times with multiple mutated subtypes around the world.

 

The least harmful/lethal way to any kind of stasis with Covid is mass vaccination coupled with any natural immunity picked up along the way.  Kill circulation and thus mutation, then see what is needed to keep it at bay.

 

on point 2, for the most part i was making a comparison to antibiotics and how over time they are producing bacteria that is becoming more resistant. if you are not completely destroying the virus in a body then you are hosting a viral load that will replicate and anything that replicates will mutate, if one of them is a mutation that circumvents the vaccination defenses then it will become dominate as it can replicate unencumbered by vax defenses. the fact vaccinated DO contract and spread even if its less means the virus will most likely follow this path. im not sure how much the load is reduced or what percentage it would lessen spread but it still happening in places with very high vaccination rates [ Isreal ] so imo yes vaccination are contributing to mutation, not saying they are responsible for delta or any other. butvl common sense says they will and my fear is that they are going to be specific to counter vax defenses which may be unitentionally making them far more deadly since they are mutating to beat artificial defenses instead of natural which i think would mutate to not kill the host. killing the host immediately stops transmission. those artificial mutation types will make them VERY lethal to people who dont have even vax protection. that variant will have a large population that will not die ( vax ) but continue to propagate this resistant strain.

 

under this reasoning it seems the best coarse of action would be to mandate mandatory vaccination..to get everyone at a min viral load lower chances of spread and complete lockdown to prevent transmission.

 

good luck getting lockdowns to fly anymore after the overuse of them with little result in the past. 

 

i could be wrong. just trying to be more clear. not a scientist, but its how i understand it with the reasoning i have.

 

EDIT...unfortunately. delta is seeing exact same load in vax..hopefully it is contained to breakthrough only. so just as much transmission of a varient that has (broken through) vax. 😞

 

 

https://apnews.com/article/science-health-coronavirus-pandemic-d9504519a8ae081f785ca012b5ef84d1

Edited August 22, 2021 by Buffarukus
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[Chef Jim]

3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

How much government money did Pfizer take for R&D? ___________

How much government money did Moderna take for R&D? ___________

How much government money did J&J take for R&D? ___________

 

The questions you refuse to answer is telling...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dude. I’ve answered. Ain’t my fault you don’t understand the nearly $2b the US paid for the Pfizer vaccine DID cover some or all their R&D.  Let me ask you. Do you really think that none of that nearly $2b went to recoup Pfizer R&D expenditures?  

[Governor]

9 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I wonder the same thing but then I think of this delta variant and how contagious it is.  Over 50% of Floridians are vaccinated (about the natural average) and that state still has about 1 and 1/3 times the daily average cases as they did around this time last summer which is crazy.  Imagine what those numbers would be if the vaccination rate was 0%.  You'd be seeing hospitals overrun and that's not hyperbole.

 

Imagine the freakout/madness though if the rate of death of the vaccinated who had a breakthrough infection with Delta was the same as the unvaccinated.  We'd be watching social distancing cornhole tournaments instead of preseason football.  

There’s a lot of other factors in play with Florida. The over 65 age group is mostly vaccinated but the 12-64 age group percentage is one of the worst in the country. Top 3 I believe.

 

Then you have to assume that most visiting right now are unvaccinated, since no one in their right mind would go there right now.

 

Everyone knows what they’ve been doing with their counts but let’s put that aside for a minute.

 

How many people traveled to Florida, got Covid on the first day, gave it to 100 other people, some residents and some not, then left a week later?

 

We need Florida to be better. They’ve been a massive super-spreader event for well over a year now. They aren’t just killing themselves. They’re killing people all around the country.

 

We really should’ve given Florida it’s own separate stimulus(ppp, UI, etc.) so they could safely shut down but DeSantis would’ve taken  that money and spent it somewhere else. It’s been clear from the start that they value their precious retail/hospitality economy over human life, and what’s happening now isn’t a surprise to anyone.

 

It’s 100 percent political at this point. No one that travels to Florida or lives in Florida cares about the well-being of Florida. It’s a transient state, and someone should’ve stepped in to save it much sooner.

Edited August 22, 2021 by Governor

[BillStime]

10 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Dude. I’ve answered. Ain’t my fault you don’t understand the nearly $2b the US paid for the Pfizer vaccine DID cover some or all their R&D.  Let me ask you. Do you really think that none of that nearly $2b went to recoup Pfizer R&D expenditures?  

 

Fill out the chart:

 

 

[Chef Jim]

3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Fill out the chart:

 

 

Ha!  You’ve lost and you take your time doing this?   I suggest you get out and get some exercise.  Once you’ve done that I suggest you read some P&L statements. 

Let me ask you a question.  What did Pfizer likely do with that nearly $2b the US paid for the doses? 

[BillStime]

8 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Ha!  You’ve lost and you take your time doing this?   I suggest you get out and get some exercise.  Once you’ve done that I suggest you read some P&L statements. 

Let me ask you a question.  What did Pfizer likely do with that nearly $2b the US paid for the doses? 

 

And there you have it ladies and gentleman - Covid Jim lost again - a daily occurrence for Covid Jim.

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

I am reminded what I wrote about a month or two back, about the childishness of those who posted here to "win"

 

It sadly is on display here this morning.

 

 

 

Meanwhile:

Anyone here aware of this ?

 

 

Edited August 22, 2021 by B-Man

[Chef Jim]

41 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

And there you have it ladies and gentleman - Covid Jim lost again - a daily occurrence for Covid Jim.

 

 

 

You can’t even explain how I’ve “lost” and you’ve won whereas I have in several I occasions.  But you go ahead and enjoy you illusion of winning. 
 

Carry on Illusionist. 

38 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

I am reminded what I wrote about a month or two back, about the childishness of those who posted here to "win"

 

It sadly is on display here this morning.

 

 

 

Meanwhile:

Anyone here aware of this ?

 

 

Bullspit. You just don’t know how to read a graph. 

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

You can’t even explain how I’ve “lost” and you’ve won whereas I have in several I occasions.  But you go ahead and enjoy you illusion of winning. 
 

Carry on Illusionist. 

Bullspit. You just don’t know how to read a graph. 

You can’t even be honest with yourself  Jim. 

 

 

 

 

 

[JaCrispy]

3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

You can’t even be honest with yourself  Jim. 

 

 

 

 

 

Lol...you guys are so funny...

[Chef Jim]

6 minutes ago, BillStime said:

You can’t even be honest with yourself  Jim. 

 

 

 

 

 

Now isn’t this a kick in the pants.  The guy who rarely proves his point calling someone not beind honest with themselves. 
 

I‘ll leave you with this. Enjoy your Covid “immunity” that was purchased on your behalf by the Trump Administration.  Send him a nice thank you note ok?  
 

 

[Buffarukus]

12 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Now isn’t this a kick in the pants.  The guy who rarely proves his point calling someone not beind honest with themselves. 
 

I‘ll leave you with this. Enjoy your Covid “immunity” that was purchased on your behalf by the Trump Administration.  Send him a nice thank you note ok?  
 

 

 

rarely?? thats being generous. CUE THE TRUMP DEFLECTION!

[BillStime]

52 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

rarely?? thats being generous. CUE THE TRUMP DEFLECTION!

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