Big Blitz Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 We really are in a simulation. I have no other explanations or conspiracies.
Governor Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: We really are in a simulation. I have no other explanations or conspiracies. The cult is taking medicine to cure Mange thinking that it cures Covid. How are we supposed to respond to that? Do they have mange? Edited August 22, 2021 by Governor
Big Blitz Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Governor said: The cult is taking medicine to cure Mange thinking that it cures Covid. How are we supposed to respond to that? It's the FDA, not we. That "message" is not intended for the 8 people that may have actually done that. In fact, I had no idea this was even a thing until this tweet, now I want to investigate what all 8 of these people were looking into. Why don't they find a way to get the message into the communities on the fence with taking the vaccine they are about to approve is safe and effective in ways they can understand using a similar strategy here. That might be more helpful then retweeting George Takai's advice on vaccines. Totally the demographic that's holding out. Not that it matters. If you're goal is to have less deaths then sure the vaccine is important. If your goal is both less deaths and get back to normal - no vaccination rate is going to matter, making selling "get vaccinated" pointless. They haven't said it so suspecting something sinister is warranted and justified. Edited August 22, 2021 by Big Blitz
Governor Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: It's the FDA, not we. That "message" is not intended for the 8 people that may have actually done that. In fact, I had no idea this was even a thing until this tweet, now I want to investigate what all 8 of these people were looking into. Why don't they find a way to get the message into the communities on the fence with taking the vaccine they are about to approve is safe and effective in ways they can understand using a similar strategy here. That might be more helpful then retweeting George Takai's advice on vaccines. Totally the demographic that's holding out. Not that it matters. If you're goal is to have less deaths then sure the vaccine is important. If your goal is both less deaths and get back to normal - no vaccination rate is going to matter, making selling "get vaccinated" pointless. They haven't said it so suspecting something sinister is warranted and justified. Trump and Fox have been pushing it for well over a year. Don’t play dumb. Why don’t you guys just rub Revolution on the back of your necks? It works good on cats for fleas. Probably even better for Covid. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/effective-covid-medications-like-ivermectin-suppressed-successful-treatments-cause-vaccines-lose-government-funding/ Edited August 22, 2021 by Governor
Doc Brown Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 11 hours ago, Buffarukus said: just curious if FDA approval changes anyones stance on whether they want to get vaccinated or not? The biggest impact will pry be making employers more comfortable in requiring their employees to get vaccinated.
Buffarukus Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Sundancer said: Shut up dirtbag. You’re using children. You’re laughing at Americans dying. You’re a piece of *****. damn dude. relax. its a message board and the guy has a opinion i think most people read his response and took it as laughing at people that think the government has peoples best interest in mind. if you think that's a insane take then i suggest you look into medical trials that didn't give a rats a$$ about the participants. just human Guinea pigs. Kano trovafloxacin trial litigation for example. just the very company we are trusting now. its all there in history books. people dont know or care because it was done quietly to poor brown people in a far off land. better yet, watch the movie dark water and take a good hard look at your pans. that s#it is still sold today! 14 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: The biggest impact will pry be making employers more comfortable in requiring their employees to get vaccinated. maybe but with the labor shortages thats going to be a risky ask. i still cant believe they are firing nurses or ANYONE when it hasnt even been approved. thats pretty authoritarian and for people like myself that were deemed essential in a factory with little in the way of saftey measures. very hypocritical to say you didnt need it all year, thanks for risking your life but you BETTER have it now. 1
Doc Brown Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Buffarukus said: maybe but with the labor shortages thats going to be a risky ask. i still cant believe they are firing nurses or ANYONE when it hasnt even been approved. thats pretty authoritarian and for people like myself that were deemed essential in a factory with little in the way of saftey measures. very hypocritical to say you didnt need it all year, thanks for risking your life but you BETTER have it now. Businesses struggling to find workers pry won't mandate it yet and it could actually help some smaller businesses. Another thing full FDA approval probably does is put more pressure on colleges to mandate it to faculty and students.
Buffarukus Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Businesses struggling to find workers pry won't mandate it yet and it could actually help some smaller businesses. Another thing full FDA approval probably does is put more pressure on colleges to mandate it to faculty and students. yeah i was a subject for the swine flu vax in college. didnt want that one either and wasn't mandated but i was in a very populated school and darn that responsibility thing just keeps smacking me in the head. that too seemed to come out really fast with no info on clinical trials ect ect. so far so good. swine vax mixed with covid vax...what could go wrong. i guess time will tell.
Doc Brown Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Buffarukus said: yeah i was a subject for the swine flu vax in college. didnt want that one either and wasn't mandated but i was in a very populated school and darn that responsibility thing just keeps smacking me in the head. that too seemed to come out really fast with no info on clinical trials ect ect. so far so good. swine vax mixed with covid vax...what could go wrong. i guess time will tell. I've always kind of shrugged off the scant possibility of long term serious side effects when it came to something new that could help me because I've never seen it come to fruition. I got lasik surgery as soon as it came out in the late 90's because I hated wearing contacts despite people thinking you'd go blind in a year. Getting the vaccine as a public good wasn't a hard choice for me but I definitely understand the hesitancy as it does seem rushed. It's been over six months now and all you've seen are the typical rare serious side effects of any new drug/vaccine that occur in like five in a million people. I know this will drive people who post on this subject often nuts but I guarantee as soon as a vaccine is FDA approved for kids under 12 it will be a requirement for entrance in most states for public schools similar to required vaccines to prevent mums, measles, polio, etc...
Buffarukus Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: I've always kind of shrugged off the scant possibility of long term serious side effects when it came to something new that could help me because I've never seen it come to fruition. I got lasik surgery as soon as it came out in the late 90's because I hated wearing contacts despite people thinking you'd go blind in a year. Getting the vaccine as a public good wasn't a hard choice for me but I definitely understand the hesitancy as it does seem rushed. It's been over six months now and all you've seen are the typical rare serious side effects of any new drug/vaccine that occur in like five in a million people. I know this will drive people who post on this subject often nuts but I guarantee as soon as a vaccine is FDA approved for kids under 12 it will be a requirement for entrance in most states for public schools similar to required vaccines to prevent mums, measles, polio, etc... yeah seems to be the direction of the freight train is barreling but this is different then those others. you can still contract and pass it. the fact covid is still not being stopped means it most likely will continue mutating until it bypasses the vax to become more potent and thus more successful. i really have to wonder what that means in the end. if we are doing more harm then good simply giving it a reason to mutate instead of allowing the natural coarse of a virus to become less deadly by infecting naturally and over time mutating to a less deadly form. killing the host is not good for either. but that means lives are lost hoping that's the outcome. so i understand the route we are on. welp its a freight train so i guess those decisions are above my pay grade but its not looking like kids can have a normal childhood anytime soon. vax or no vax. 1
Big Blitz Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) We're well passed deserving answers and to stop being treated as subjects and sheep. It would help greatly if our sheep and subjects in Wokeistan get with the program. Trump says, without evidence, every American will get coronavirus vaccine by April September 18, 2020 at 5:06 p.m. EDT President Trump said Friday that every American would have access to a coronavirus vaccine by April, contradicting his own statement of two days earlier and sowing deeper confusion about the process and timing of vaccine approval and distribution. When Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield said earlier in the week that the general public was unlikely to get access to a vaccine until the second and third quarters of 2021, echoing other scientific leaders in the administration, Trump said he’d misspoken. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-says-without-evidence-every-american-will-get-coronavirus-vaccine-by-april/2020/09/18/5281e40e-f9e9-11ea-89e3-4b9efa36dc64_story.html Of course he was right because he knew. He knew it could be released before the election - super serious virus and variants we'll let it keep going till a few months after the coup. Fact check: No evidence supports Trump’s claim that COVID-19 vaccine result was suppressed to sway election Nov 11, 2020 https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/11/fact-check-no-evidence-supports-trump-s-claim-covid-19-vaccine-result-was-suppressed Despite scoffing by liberal media, Trump’s claim of vaccine eligibility by April comes true https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/04/07/battenfeld-despite-scoffing-by-liberal-media-trumps-claim-of-vaccine-eligibility-by-april-comes-true/ Joe Biden: Covid vaccination in US will not be mandatory 4 December 2020 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55193939 And Fauci has always been a hack. April 13, 2021 - 07:00 AM EDT Fauci fatigue sets in as top doc sows doubt in vaccine effectiveness https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/547826-fauci-fatigue-sets-in-as-top-doc-sows-doubt-in-vaccine-effectiveness Tea leaves in April: "Because until this vaccine is available to the world and we’re beating back the vaccine — the virus in other countries, we’re not really completely safe:" Biden in April: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/04/06/remarks-by-president-biden-marking-the-150-millionth-covid-19-vaccine-shot/ I don't think people understand how badly they've been and ate still being lied to. And continue to do what the media and politician tell them no questions asked. You should be terrified but not of the virus. I posted that last Biden quote the day he said it and what that meant. This is all indefinite. And in ways we haven't even imagined yet. Vaccinate the whole world because variants. As bad and as wrong as Dr. Osterholm has been, he does get the overall trajectory of the plot I mean pandemic right - but like all of them he also manages to be completely full of ***t. Here he is telling you why this is indefinite - but you have to critically think to understand why: "Osterholm added he was "even more worried about what's coming down the pike over the next several years" because of uneven vaccine distribution worldwide. "Ten countries have received about 80% of the vaccine," he said. "Thirty countries have not even seen a drop of it. If we continue to see this virus spread throughout the low- and middle-income countries, unfettered, they're going to spit out variants over the course of the next years that in each and every instance could challenge our vaccines. https://www.eatthis.com/news-osterholm-covid-variant-eek/ For fun Google "Osterholm predicts catastrophe" or "Osterholm predicts dark days." About to enter calendar year 3 wondering if you are allowed to go anywhere without a mask, vaccinated, or because it's closed. Or if your kids will have a homecoming dance or lose a 3rd prom. Edited August 22, 2021 by Big Blitz
Doc Brown Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 42 minutes ago, Buffarukus said: yeah seems to be the direction of the freight train is barreling but this is different then those others. you can still contract and pass it. the fact covid is still not being stopped means it most likely will continue mutating until it bypasses the vax to become more potent and thus more successful. i really have to wonder what that means in the end. if we are doing more harm then good simply giving it a reason to mutate instead of allowing the natural coarse of a virus to become less deadly by infecting naturally and over time mutating to a less deadly form. killing the host is not good for either. but that means lives are lost hoping that's the outcome. so i understand the route we are on. welp its a freight train so i guess those decisions are above my pay grade but its not looking like kids can have a normal childhood anytime soon. vax or no vax. I wonder the same thing but then I think of this delta variant and how contagious it is. Over 50% of Floridians are vaccinated (about the natural average) and that state still has about 1 and 1/3 times the daily average cases as they did around this time last summer which is crazy. Imagine what those numbers would be if the vaccination rate was 0%. You'd be seeing hospitals overrun and that's not hyperbole. Imagine the freakout/madness though if the rate of death of the vaccinated who had a breakthrough infection with Delta was the same as the unvaccinated. We'd be watching social distancing cornhole tournaments instead of preseason football. 1
GaryPinC Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 7 hours ago, Buffarukus said: yeah seems to be the direction of the freight train is barreling but this is different then those others. you can still contract and pass it. the fact covid is still not being stopped means it most likely will continue mutating until it bypasses the vax to become more potent and thus more successful. i really have to wonder what that means in the end. if we are doing more harm then good simply giving it a reason to mutate instead of allowing the natural coarse of a virus to become less deadly by infecting naturally and over time mutating to a less deadly form. killing the host is not good for either. but that means lives are lost hoping that's the outcome. so i understand the route we are on. welp its a freight train so i guess those decisions are above my pay grade but its not looking like kids can have a normal childhood anytime soon. vax or no vax. Reading your thoughts, I come away with two distinct impressions. 1. You feel that the delta variant is now being contracted and spread routinely by the vaccinated and 2. That natural infection/immunity would push Covid to mutate to a less deadly form. Neither is true (at least at this point). Keeping it simple, WRT 1, just because delta has shown an increase of infection/transmission in the vaccinated doesn't mean it has completely broken down these vaccine-mediated protections. Science can change over time, but at this point the delta surge is very much a surge in the unvaccinated. WRT 2, viruses infect, replicate, and mutate. The more it circulates, the more it mutates. Immunity, whether induced or natural, reduces circulation. Delta, or any of the other subtypes, did not occur because of vaccination, they occured because of widespread circulation. There's truth to what you're trying to say about a natural course resulting in some kind of stasis, but what is the cost of allowing this to happen? In 18 or so months, Covid-2 has proven the ability to overwhelm healthcare systems multiple times with multiple mutated subtypes around the world. The least harmful/lethal way to any kind of stasis with Covid is mass vaccination coupled with any natural immunity picked up along the way. Kill circulation and thus mutation, then see what is needed to keep it at bay.
BillStime Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 On 7/28/2021 at 10:52 AM, BillStime said: How much did Moderna and J&J get for R&D? @Chef Jim still refuses to answer this question…
Chef Jim Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, BillStime said: @Chef Jim still refuses to answer this question… Ahhhh that question. I didn’t answer because we were talking about Pfizer. You know, the firm you said did not accept $$ for the R&D for YOUR shot when in fact the did when the TRUMP ADMINISTRATION sent them nearly $2b for the doses. 1
BillStime Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Ahhhh that question. I didn’t answer because we were talking about Pfizer. You know, the firm you said did not accept $$ for the R&D for YOUR shot when in fact the did when the TRUMP ADMINISTRATION sent them nearly $2b for the doses. How much did Moderna and J&J get for R&D from Trump?
Westside Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, BillStime said: How much did Moderna and J&J get for R&D from Trump? Give it up, you lost, again.🤣
BillStime Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bidens_basement said: Give it up, you lost, again.🤣 No - Jim simply rehighlighted an old argument he lost again - he is on a roll. But I get it westside2 - you losers stick together
Chef Jim Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, BillStime said: How much did Moderna and J&J get for R&D from Trump? Irrelevant to the topic at hand. We were discussing YOUR shot from…where again? 🤔 Oh yeah….PFIZER who got nearly $2b in US post R&D funding. How much did you say they got? 🤔 Oh yeah….ZERO! 😂 Just now, BillStime said: No - Jim simply rehighlighted an old argument he lost again - he is on a roll. But I get it westside2 - you losers stick together Ha. No.
BillStime Posted August 22, 2021 Posted August 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Irrelevant to the topic at hand. We were discussing YOUR shot from…where again? 🤔 Oh yeah….PFIZER who got nearly $2b in US post R&D funding. How much did you say they got? 🤔 Oh yeah….ZERO! 😂 Ha. No. Only irrelevant because it completely DESTROYS your poorly thought out argument. You're a loser baby.
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