Chef Jim Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 8 hours ago, BillStime said: But he was not elected and Delta is bad. Why are we playing the “what if” game and not the “what is” game. Does Biden get any fingers pointed at him?
BillStime Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 35 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: But he was not elected and Delta is bad. Why are we playing the “what if” game and not the “what is” game. Does Biden get any fingers pointed at him? Sure he does but what more can he do? Is he discouraging people from getting the vaccine? Is he passing laws that are jeopardizing the health and safety of children to appease Donald Trump and his anti-mask, anti-vaccine base? What more can Biden do? Let’s hear it Covid Jim…
All_Pro_Bills Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, BillStime said: Sure he does but what more can he do? Is he discouraging people from getting the vaccine? Is he passing laws that are jeopardizing the health and safety of children to appease Donald Trump and his anti-mask, anti-vaccine base? What more can Biden do? Let’s hear it Covid Jim… Oh, I've got the answer to this one.. Is he re-locating 100's of thousands of COVID infected illegals from the southern border and distributing them across the country while intentionally withholding information from state and local officials on the impact and dangers to their communities? YES!!
BillStime Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Oh, I've got the answer to this one.. Is he re-locating 100's of thousands of COVID infected illegals from the southern border and distributing them across the country while intentionally withholding information from state and local officials on the impact and dangers to their communities? YES!! lmao - I knew this would be the response either from you or the other Covidiot. Please provide proof and stats that back up this claim that the GQP use to rile up its pathetic base. Where is the evidence Mr. Reported?
Orlando Buffalo Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Sundancer said: This started with your statement, “Of course we now know the vaccines are not lasting more than 6 months in most cases.” I said that was BS because it is. You cited articles that didn’t back that up or have been corrected, so I called BS again, and your response to that is, “Old people are dying of Covid,” which is true but about as relevant as me saying “Josh Allen wears number 17.” Try to keep up. The article about people in Orlando getting a third shot because they have no immunity left is not in support of what I said? Why is Israel giving a third shot if not for waning coverage? Please tell me how these two facts don't back me up?
SCBills Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 Oregon getting lit up by Delta. We’ll see how long the media can keep the focus on Florida/Texas, when other states start ruining their narrative.
SoCal Deek Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, SCBills said: Oregon getting lit up by Delta. We’ll see how long the media can keep the focus on Florida/Texas, when other states start ruining their narrative. I’d suggest that the more interesting one is Hawaii. You can’t get on the islands unless you show a negative test taken within 72 hours of your flight. Very strictly enforced! And yet, in that isolated laboratory they’re seeing a spike in cases. As I’ve said all along, you cannot play prevent defense against a contagious virus forever. This thing is going to run its course.
Chef Jim Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 39 minutes ago, BillStime said: Sure he does but what more can he do? Is he discouraging people from getting the vaccine? Is he passing laws that are jeopardizing the health and safety of children to appease Donald Trump and his anti-mask, anti-vaccine base? What more can Biden do? Let’s hear it Covid Jim… Tax credits for people that get the vaccine. Done and done. Stop treating us like children or ostracizing those not vaccinated and motivate people. It's what a good leader does. Sometimes you lead with a carrot sometimes with the stick. This requires a carrot. "What more can he doooooooo???" Stop sounding like Greta.
All_Pro_Bills Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 24 minutes ago, BillStime said: lmao - I knew this would be the response either from you or the other Covidiot. Please provide proof and stats that back up this claim that the GQP use to rile up its pathetic base. Where is the evidence Mr. Reported? Lets get real here. This message board is not equivalent to a court of law where there is some burden of proof requirement supported by submission and evaluation of evidence. And I'm not your research assistant. If you don't want to believe it then don't believe it. That's your choice. And if you want to go through contortions and handstands to "protect" this dysfunctional administration then have at it. As time passes you're find out that is going to be a losing battle. I gave a valid and true answer to your question. An answer you don't like. An answer that has been verified by the statements and comments from the administration and other people involved and aware of the program of immigrant re-location. Available to anyone through various news outlets in the country. If you want look them up. 1
BillStime Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 9 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Tax credits for people that get the vaccine. Done and done. Stop treating us like children or ostracizing those not vaccinated and motivate people. It's what a good leader does. Sometimes you lead with a carrot sometimes with the stick. This requires a carrot. "What more can he doooooooo???" Stop sounding like Greta. Tax policy won’t be enough to counter the brainwashing already inflicted by right wing governors and media.
SoCal Deek Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 Watching Premier League Soccer this morning from Manchester UK. 70,000 people in the stands and not a SINGLE mask in sight. They’ve either beaten this thing, said the heck with it all, or are just learning to work around it.
All_Pro_Bills Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I’d suggest that the more interesting one is Hawaii. You can’t get on the islands unless you show a negative test taken within 72 hours of your flight. Very strictly enforced! And yet, in that isolated laboratory they’re seeing a spike in cases. As I’ve said all along, you cannot play prevent defense against a contagious virus forever. This thing is going to run its course. That's because the test isn't accurate enough and even vaccinated people can carry a high viral load as the mRNA vaccines don't kill the virus or keep it from replicating in the host. Which means all of us vaccinated people are human virus variant incubators. Its a danger several viral experts have expressed but their voices have been silenced as mis-information. Since that truth would more or less invalidate the country's vaccine program. 2
RiotAct Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 13 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Tax credits for people that get the vaccine. Done and done. Stop treating us like children or ostracizing those not vaccinated and motivate people. It's what a good leader does. Sometimes you lead with a carrot sometimes with the stick. This requires a carrot. "What more can he doooooooo???" Stop sounding like Greta. BillsTime loves simping for the empty suits on his team. 1 1
SCBills Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, BillStime said: Tax policy won’t be enough to counter the brainwashing already inflicted by right wing governors and media. You keep ignoring the fact that the most unvaccinated racial group by percentage are black people. It’s amazing to see how neolibs can just pretend facts don’t exist when they don’t suit the narrative.
BillStime Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Lets get real here. This message board is not equivalent to a court of law where there is some burden of proof requirement supported by submission and evaluation of evidence. And I'm not your research assistant. If you don't want to believe it then don't believe it. That's your choice. And if you want to go through contortions and handstands to "protect" this dysfunctional administration then have at it. As time passes you're find out that is going to be a losing battle. I gave a valid and true answer to your question. An answer you don't like. An answer that has been verified by the statements and comments from the administration and other people involved and aware of the program of immigrant re-location. Available to anyone through various news outlets in the country. If you want look them up. Propaganda 101 sucker Once again - all pro is all bull. What a mess
SCBills Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 We can talk about migration as a separate topic… I’m not a “build the wall” kind of guy… but LMAO… if you can’t admit letting thousands of people cross the border, of which border patrol states around 20-25% of families are covid positive, is a problem - then please shut up about your covid fears.
BillStime Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 34 minutes ago, SCBills said: You keep ignoring the fact that the most unvaccinated racial group by percentage are black people. It’s amazing to see how neolibs can just pretend facts don’t exist when they don’t suit the narrative. But there are facts.... 1. Vermont Number of people fully vaccinated: 416,691 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 66.78 2. Massachusetts Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,451,811 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 64.59 3. Maine Number of people fully vaccinated: 865,987 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 64.42 4. Connecticut Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,286,455 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 64.13 5. Rhode Island Number of people fully vaccinated: 661,483 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 62.44 6. Maryland Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,611,110 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 59.73 7. New Jersey Number of people fully vaccinated: 5,271,010 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 59.34 8. New Hampshire Number of people fully vaccinated: 797,825 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 58.68 9. Washington Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,454,780 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 58.5 10. New York Number of people fully vaccinated: 11,294,591 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 58.06 11. New Mexico Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,217,270 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 58.05 12. Oregon Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,388,289 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 56.62 13. District of Columbia Number of people fully vaccinated: 394,566 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 55.91 14. Virginia Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,729,067 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 55.4 15. Colorado Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,179,819 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 55.22 16. Minnesota Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,068,967 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 54.42 17. Hawaii Number of people fully vaccinated: 765,742 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 54.08 18. California Number of people fully vaccinated: 21,293,344 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 53.89 19. Delaware Number of people fully vaccinated: 521,087 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 53.51 20. Pennsylvania Number of people fully vaccinated: 6,826,472 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 53.32 21. Wisconsin Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,049,535 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 52.38 22. Iowa Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,584,976 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 50.24 23. Nebraska Number of people fully vaccinated: 971,267 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 50.21 24. Florida Number of people fully vaccinated: 10,720,783 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 49.92 25. Michigan Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,931,926 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 49.38 26. Illinois Number of people fully vaccinated: 6,255,348 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 49.36 27. South Dakota Number of people fully vaccinated: 421,633 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 47.66 28. Ohio Number of people fully vaccinated: 5,503,962 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 47.09 29. Kentucky Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,074,806 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 46.44 30. Kansas Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,342,688 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 46.09 31. Alaska Number of people fully vaccinated: 336,622 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 46.02 32. Arizona Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,348,704 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 46.01 33. Utah Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,469,482 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 45.84 34. Nevada Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,400,235 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 45.46 35. Indiana Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,020,153 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 44.86 36. Montana Number of people fully vaccinated: 479,129 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 44.83 37. Texas Number of people fully vaccinated: 13,000,265 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 44.83 38. North Carolina Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,662,804 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 44.46 39. Missouri Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,613,256 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 42.58 40. South Carolina Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,129,360 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 41.36 41. Oklahoma Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,628,253 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 41.15 42. North Dakota Number of people fully vaccinated: 308,927 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 40.54 43. Tennessee Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,718,621 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 39.81 44. Georgia Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,183,379 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 39.4 45. West Virginia Number of people fully vaccinated: 703,416 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 39.25 46. Arkansas Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,147,261 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 38.02 47. Louisiana Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,761,790 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 37.9 48. Idaho Number of people fully vaccinated: 676,878 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 37.88 49. Wyoming Number of people fully vaccinated: 215,625 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 37.26 50. Mississippi Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,055,521 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 35.47 51. Alabama Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,720,455 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 35.09
Chef Jim Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, BillStime said: But there are facts.... 1. Vermont Number of people fully vaccinated: 416,691 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 66.78 2. Massachusetts Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,451,811 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 64.59 3. Maine Number of people fully vaccinated: 865,987 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 64.42 4. Connecticut Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,286,455 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 64.13 5. Rhode Island Number of people fully vaccinated: 661,483 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 62.44 6. Maryland Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,611,110 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 59.73 7. New Jersey Number of people fully vaccinated: 5,271,010 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 59.34 8. New Hampshire Number of people fully vaccinated: 797,825 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 58.68 9. Washington Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,454,780 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 58.5 10. New York Number of people fully vaccinated: 11,294,591 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 58.06 11. New Mexico Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,217,270 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 58.05 12. Oregon Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,388,289 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 56.62 13. District of Columbia Number of people fully vaccinated: 394,566 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 55.91 14. Virginia Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,729,067 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 55.4 15. Colorado Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,179,819 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 55.22 16. Minnesota Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,068,967 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 54.42 17. Hawaii Number of people fully vaccinated: 765,742 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 54.08 18. California Number of people fully vaccinated: 21,293,344 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 53.89 19. Delaware Number of people fully vaccinated: 521,087 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 53.51 20. Pennsylvania Number of people fully vaccinated: 6,826,472 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 53.32 21. Wisconsin Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,049,535 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 52.38 22. Iowa Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,584,976 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 50.24 23. Nebraska Number of people fully vaccinated: 971,267 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 50.21 24. Florida Number of people fully vaccinated: 10,720,783 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 49.92 25. Michigan Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,931,926 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 49.38 26. Illinois Number of people fully vaccinated: 6,255,348 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 49.36 27. South Dakota Number of people fully vaccinated: 421,633 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 47.66 28. Ohio Number of people fully vaccinated: 5,503,962 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 47.09 29. Kentucky Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,074,806 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 46.44 30. Kansas Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,342,688 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 46.09 31. Alaska Number of people fully vaccinated: 336,622 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 46.02 32. Arizona Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,348,704 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 46.01 33. Utah Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,469,482 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 45.84 34. Nevada Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,400,235 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 45.46 35. Indiana Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,020,153 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 44.86 36. Montana Number of people fully vaccinated: 479,129 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 44.83 37. Texas Number of people fully vaccinated: 13,000,265 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 44.83 38. North Carolina Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,662,804 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 44.46 39. Missouri Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,613,256 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 42.58 40. South Carolina Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,129,360 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 41.36 41. Oklahoma Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,628,253 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 41.15 42. North Dakota Number of people fully vaccinated: 308,927 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 40.54 43. Tennessee Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,718,621 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 39.81 44. Georgia Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,183,379 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 39.4 45. West Virginia Number of people fully vaccinated: 703,416 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 39.25 46. Arkansas Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,147,261 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 38.02 47. Louisiana Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,761,790 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 37.9 48. Idaho Number of people fully vaccinated: 676,878 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 37.88 49. Wyoming Number of people fully vaccinated: 215,625 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 37.26 50. Mississippi Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,055,521 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 35.47 51. Alabama Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,720,455 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 35.09 Number 1 vs Number 51. You'd think the difference would be huge. But it's not.
BillStime Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Number 1 vs Number 51. You'd think the difference would be huge. But it's not. You don’t know how to read graphs. What are the values on the y axis?
SoCal Deek Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 46 minutes ago, BillStime said: But there are facts.... 1. Vermont Number of people fully vaccinated: 416,691 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 66.78 2. Massachusetts Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,451,811 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 64.59 3. Maine Number of people fully vaccinated: 865,987 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 64.42 4. Connecticut Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,286,455 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 64.13 5. Rhode Island Number of people fully vaccinated: 661,483 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 62.44 6. Maryland Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,611,110 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 59.73 7. New Jersey Number of people fully vaccinated: 5,271,010 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 59.34 8. New Hampshire Number of people fully vaccinated: 797,825 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 58.68 9. Washington Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,454,780 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 58.5 10. New York Number of people fully vaccinated: 11,294,591 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 58.06 11. New Mexico Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,217,270 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 58.05 12. Oregon Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,388,289 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 56.62 13. District of Columbia Number of people fully vaccinated: 394,566 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 55.91 14. Virginia Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,729,067 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 55.4 15. Colorado Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,179,819 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 55.22 16. Minnesota Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,068,967 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 54.42 17. Hawaii Number of people fully vaccinated: 765,742 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 54.08 18. California Number of people fully vaccinated: 21,293,344 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 53.89 19. Delaware Number of people fully vaccinated: 521,087 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 53.51 20. Pennsylvania Number of people fully vaccinated: 6,826,472 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 53.32 21. Wisconsin Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,049,535 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 52.38 22. Iowa Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,584,976 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 50.24 23. Nebraska Number of people fully vaccinated: 971,267 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 50.21 24. Florida Number of people fully vaccinated: 10,720,783 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 49.92 25. Michigan Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,931,926 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 49.38 26. Illinois Number of people fully vaccinated: 6,255,348 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 49.36 27. South Dakota Number of people fully vaccinated: 421,633 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 47.66 28. Ohio Number of people fully vaccinated: 5,503,962 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 47.09 29. Kentucky Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,074,806 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 46.44 30. Kansas Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,342,688 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 46.09 31. Alaska Number of people fully vaccinated: 336,622 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 46.02 32. Arizona Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,348,704 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 46.01 33. Utah Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,469,482 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 45.84 34. Nevada Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,400,235 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 45.46 35. Indiana Number of people fully vaccinated: 3,020,153 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 44.86 36. Montana Number of people fully vaccinated: 479,129 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 44.83 37. Texas Number of people fully vaccinated: 13,000,265 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 44.83 38. North Carolina Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,662,804 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 44.46 39. Missouri Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,613,256 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 42.58 40. South Carolina Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,129,360 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 41.36 41. Oklahoma Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,628,253 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 41.15 42. North Dakota Number of people fully vaccinated: 308,927 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 40.54 43. Tennessee Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,718,621 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 39.81 44. Georgia Number of people fully vaccinated: 4,183,379 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 39.4 45. West Virginia Number of people fully vaccinated: 703,416 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 39.25 46. Arkansas Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,147,261 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 38.02 47. Louisiana Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,761,790 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 37.9 48. Idaho Number of people fully vaccinated: 676,878 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 37.88 49. Wyoming Number of people fully vaccinated: 215,625 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 37.26 50. Mississippi Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,055,521 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 35.47 51. Alabama Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,720,455 Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 35.09 You’re kidding right? Ultra BLUE California is at 53% vaccinated and the cavemen in Florida are at 50%. What exactly do you think these ‘facts’ are supposed to prove?
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