plenzmd1 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 1 minute ago, daz28 said: I think a good portion of people have little to no understanding of variants. Meaning,,, that all viruses mutate? Who do you think does not understand that except the dopes who continue to say get more shots ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 11 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Meaning,,, that all viruses mutate? Who do you think does not understand that except the dopes who continue to say get more shots ? I'm sure the scientists understand it better than most, but the mutations happened too quickly on them. Now they don't want to change their narrative, and that's leading to an even more confused public. I'm no viral expert, but I'm hoping that they get lucky with natural immunity to Omicron combined with vaccines/measures. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Now this is some poop all the for all who idolize the vaccine and its makers/enablers. I don’t have the time to verify all this today, but will over the next couple of days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 18 minutes ago, daz28 said: I think a good portion of people have little to no understanding of variants. It sure sounds as if Biden, Harris and Fauci were caught by surprise by them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 21 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Yep, my triple shot , double mask wearing daughter going through a rough couple days of Covid right now. Triple jabbed nephew just texted me this will be first home game he missed since 2012 as he is in bed with Covid and feeling like poop for the last 48 hours. But guys like @The Frankish Reichwill continue to claim the vaccines are doing their job as intended and we would be out of this if just everyone got jabbed more. Data be damned! every single person I know who has tested positive for Covid since July has been fully vaxed. And I knows lots o folks who have tested positive, including me, my wife , and both kids who do not live with us. What you write is true , but the vaccines have kept you and your family out of the ICU and cemetery which is worth it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: It sure sounds as if Biden, Harris and Fauci were caught by surprise by them. That's a political hit job. The virus moved faster than warp speed. I don't care if Douglas MacArthur is president, we'd still be in this same spot. Our chances for a "transparent administration" was always zero, and the flip side of that is even if they were 100% transparent, many people wouldn't believe them anyways. Name me one country that's being honest about how bleak the situation really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, ALF said: What you write is true , but the vaccines have kept you and your family out of the ICU and cemetery which is worth it. What?? You do not know that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: What?? You do not know that! It is believed that the vaccines are at least 50% effective vs Delta, and that would be high enough to get approval. Until data can be managed, we won't know, but they almost certainly have protected some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, ALF said: What you write is true , but the vaccines have kept you and your family out of the ICU and cemetery which is worth it. Why do you believe that? NYT wrote article this week about the least vaccinated places and the death rate in these counties from Covid seem in line with everywhere else. https://www.yahoo.com/news/where-vaccination-rates-low-u-130823481.html And Boris Johnson is now stating that booster is needed for protection: https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uks-johnson-says-people-without-covid-boosters-ending-up-hospital-2021-12-29/ I will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Just now, daz28 said: That's a political hit job. The virus moved faster than warp speed. I don't care if Douglas MacArthur is president, we'd still be in this same spot. Our chances for a "transparent administration" was always zero, and the flip side of that is even if they were 100% transparent, many people wouldn't believe them anyways. Name me one country that's being honest about how bleak the situation really is. Hogwash. You don't explain away a lack of transparency because someone won't like what they see. That's the point about transparency. Biden has been a member of the power elite for nearly 5 decades, has connections most insiders could only hope to build and still, and still %$#@ed everything up. It's what he does, and surely if you voted for him you knew that. He failed on logistics on the distribution of the vax; He failed on offering a clear outline on the need to vaccinate; He participated in trashing the vax when it made sense for him politically; He vowed to end COVID, he supersized transmission and death count; He acknowledged being caught with his pants down on variants, as did Harris. I believe him. Your argument that no other country is handling it better reminds me of the old adage "Just because someone has to eat a bigger sh*t sandwich doesn't make mine taste any better". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, daz28 said: It is believed that the vaccines are at least 50% effective vs Delta, and that would be high enough to get approval. Until data can be managed, we won't know, but they almost certainly have protected some. No argument there from me…but don’t toss around global statements about people and their family being saved by the shots. You REALLY do not know that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 14 minutes ago, ALF said: What you write is true , but the vaccines have kept you and your family out of the ICU and cemetery which is worth it. Knew a ton of people with Covid pre vaccine , they were all kept out of the ICU too! I am a believer they help with the severity of the symptoms, I believe the data conclusively shows that. what they are not is a vaccine that confers any kind of immunity, and think the data and evidence clearly shows that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Hogwash. You don't explain away a lack of transparency because someone won't like what they see. That's the point about transparency. Biden has been a member of the power elite for nearly 5 decades, has connections most insiders could only hope to build and still, and still %$#@ed everything up. It's what he does, and surely if you voted for him you knew that. He failed on logistics on the distribution of the vax; He failed on offering a clear outline on the need to vaccinate; He participated in trashing the vax when it made sense for him politically; He vowed to end COVID, he supersized transmission and death count; He acknowledged being caught with his pants down on variants, as did Harris. I believe him. Your argument that no other country is handling it better reminds me of the old adage "Just because someone has to eat a bigger sh*t sandwich doesn't make mine taste any better". I didn't say "no other country is handling it better", I said they're not being transparent. If they were, they'd say that the variants are moving faster than waning immunity from vaccinations and boosters can keep up with. You're right that Biden failed, but so did everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, daz28 said: I didn't say "no other country is handling it better", I said they're not being transparent. If they were, they'd say that the variants are moving faster than waning immunity from vaccinations and boosters can keep up with. You're right that Biden failed, but so did everyone else. Biden chose his path independent of what everyone else did. Are you suggesting that failure was the only possible outcome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 (edited) When you replace everything here about Covid with "socialism" it might start to make sense - and the point is to make sure we are divided WHO warns new Covid variants could emerge that are fully resistant to vaccines as pandemic drags on The World Health Organization warned Wednesday that new coronavirus variants could emerge during the pandemic that render the current vaccines useless. "As this pandemic drags on, it's possible that new variants could evade our countermeasures and become fully resistant to current vaccines or past infection, necessitating vaccine adaptations," WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said at a press conference in Geneva. Tedros reiterated his frequent calls for nations to work together to improve global supplies and access to Covid vaccines and other crucial health equipment. He also slammed the "populism" and "short-term nationalism" of some political leaders that he said has "undermined equity and created the ideal conditions for the emergence of new variants." "Misinformation and disinformation, often spread by a small number of people, have been a constant distraction undermining science and trust in lifesaving health tools," the world health leader said. He noted that "in the huge waves of cases currently seen in Europe and in many countries around the world, misinformation which has driven vaccine hesitancy is now translating to the unvaccinated disproportionately dying." "This virus will continue to evolve and threaten our health system if we don't improve the collective response," Tedros said. "I'm highly concerned that omicron, being more transmissible, circulating at the same time as delta, is leading to a tsunami of cases." Vaccine supplies are currently improving, he said, while repeating his criticism that rich countries' booster-shot programs are making it harder for poor nations to obtain any vaccines. That growing inequity could prolong the pandemic. Despite the ongoing public-health threat and the possibility of future challenges, Tedros said he is "optimistic" the acute stage of the pandemic can end in 2022. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/29/who-warns-vaccine-resistant-covid-variants-could-emerge-amid-pandemic.html Fauci says herd immunity possible by fall, ‘normality’ by end of 2021 "If 75 percent to 80 percent of Americans are vaccinated in broad-based campaigns likely to start in the second quarter of next year, then the U.S. should reach the herd immunity threshold months later. If vaccination levels are significantly lower, 40 percent to 50 percent, Fauci said, it could take a very long time to reach that level of protection. “Let’s say we get 75 percent, 80 percent of the population vaccinated,” Fauci said. “If we do that, if we do it efficiently enough over the second quarter of 2021, by the time we get to the end of the summer, i.e., the third quarter, we may actually have enough herd immunity protecting our society that as we get to the end of 2021, we can approach very much some degree of normality that is close to where we were before.” https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/12/anthony-fauci-offers-a-timeline-for-ending-covid-19-pandemic/ Attention, morons. How was 75% of ALL Americans ever going to happen when the vaccine wasn't available to people under 17 then later 12 into October and November. Dupes. Low info dupes. Oh, feel free to take the virus as seriously as you want - not sure why you are. But if you're still listening to any State entity or complying in anyway outside of your sell out job, you're a dupe. Edited December 29, 2021 by Big Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz28 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: WHO warns new Covid variants could emerge that are fully resistant to vaccines as pandemic drags on Dupes. Low info dupes. Oh, feel free to take the virus as seriously as you want - not sure why you are. But if you're still listening to any State entity or complying in anyway outside of your sell out job, you're a dupe. I'm not anti-vax, but this guy is basically telling everyone that the vaccines are not as effective on the variants, but let's try to play whack-a-mole with them anyways. A strategy that's already been shown to fail. It's the equivalent of McNamara telling us we can still win in Vietnam when he dam well knows the strategy isn't working. 12 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Biden chose his path independent of what everyone else did. Are you suggesting that failure was the only possible outcome? I'm not expert enough to decide that, but I have yet to see a strategy that convinces me it could be effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 I’m not a Biden fan. But I think COVID would destroy anyone’s Presidency. Dems are toast just like Trump was toast. The only way out of COVID is to get our highest risk folks vaccinated, and go back to normal. And tell everyone’s that’s it. No President will do it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Hahahahahaha what "need?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Hahahahahaha what "need?" Why, the need for a booster that does absolutely nothing concerning "Omicron". Cole Beasley was right all along. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 30, 2021 Share Posted December 30, 2021 Trust the science means "do what we say." It's been the CDC's and thus every Federal State and Local jurisdiction's cover for this sham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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