It's Time to Mandate Vaccines

[Orlando Buffalo]

5 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

Sweden and the US are night and day , climate , massive foreign visitors , population.  It is more accurate to compare them to their neighbors.

If we take all of Europe they are  better than average of deaths, though you are correct that they have more deaths than the countries that are basically still locked down. My relatives in Ireland still can't go out like normal and even Mass is a shell of what it used to be.

[Big Blitz]

How it always should have been - you know, the original deal

 

 

 

Health expert: Surge in COVID-19 cases should no longer be 'major metric' of pandemic

 

A leading health expert said the largely more mild symptoms reported by vaccinated people against the coronavirus proves the inoculation is the best way to protect yourself from being seriously sick or dying from the disease and that a surge in case numbers should no longer be the central metric by which to measaure the pandemic.

 

"For two years, infections always preceded hospitalizations which preceded deaths, so you could look at infections and know what was coming," Ashish K. Jha, dean of Brown University and a former Harvard health expert said during an appearance on ABC's "This Week" on Sunday. "Omicron changes that. This is the shift we've been waiting for in many ways." 

 

The country has shifted, Jha said, to a place where people who are vaccinated and especially those who have received a booster shot "are gonna bounce back" if they become infected with the coronavirus. 

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/587329-health-expert-surge-in-covid19-cases-should-no-longer-be-major-metric-of-pandemic

[RiotAct]

bro just get your boosters and we can get back to normal!!! 😢

[Boatdrinks]

15 hours ago, RiotAct said:

bro just get your boosters and we can get back to normal!!! 😢

Well no we can’t. Why? Politicians won’t allow it. Mass disobedience to any restrictions is required. 

[The Frankish Reich]

13 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Well no we can’t. Why? Politicians won’t allow it. Mass disobedience to any restrictions is required. 

And there you have it. 

This isn't about anything else than politics. It isn't about whether vaccines work, or whether they're safe, or whether they were developed with the aid of fetal stem cells, etc., etc.

[Boatdrinks]

5 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

And there you have it. 

This isn't about anything else than politics. It isn't about whether vaccines work, or whether they're safe, or whether they were developed with the aid of fetal stem cells, etc., etc.

Not anymore it’s not. Some may have those views on the shot ( I hesitate to call them a vaccine )and I respect them,  but most of us have gotten our jabs. However,  politicians want to force us into endless restrictions, masks, etc etc regardless of the shots they claimed would end it all. All over what amounts to a stronger version of a cold or flu. Clearly there is another agenda at work. Hochul gave a preview of hers when she stated the we need to have no excuse mail in balloting in NYS. Hmmmm. Pretty sure the voters just rejected that in November. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

And there you have it. 

This isn't about anything else than politics. It isn't about whether vaccines work, or whether they're safe, or whether they were developed with the aid of fetal stem cells, etc., etc.

Your right why would anyone not trust a government who turned "two weeks to flatten the curve" into 2 years of lockdowns? But your point is still wrong because  we know for a fact that a teenager is more likely to get Myocarditis from the vaccine than die from Covid itself. If it was political I would not have gotten it, I am the norm, you are a political hack

[GaryPinC]

On 12/26/2021 at 6:08 AM, plenzmd1 said:

We tried to keep off Covid last night, could not. Amazing to me 3 of my relatives insist the point of the vaccine as NEVER EVER to prevent transmission,the whole time it was just so that when you inevitably got Covid, your symptoms would not be as bad. 
 

even showing them Fauci and Walensky (sp) saying the exact opposite they insist the message has been the same from day 1 of the vaccines.

 

fascinating study in human behavior. 

Your relatives are right.  When vaccinations began, it was unknown if they would prevent transmission.  It was strongly felt they would enable our bodies to at least fight it off more effectively.  Before Delta and Omicron, studies showed that the mRNA vaccines did indeed prevent transmission, which was rightly touted by Fauci and the CDC.

 

With our current variants that aspect is greatly reduced or eliminated.

 

It's a virus.  The science is changing quickly, unfortunately.

 

Perhaps the most interesting human behavior is the inability to comprehend a rapidly changing situation and only see in two dimensions.

[GaryPinC]

12 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Your right why would anyone not trust a government who turned "two weeks to flatten the curve" into 2 years of lockdowns? But your point is still wrong because  we know for a fact that a teenager is more likely to get Myocarditis from the vaccine than die from Covid itself. If it was political I would not have gotten it, I am the norm, you are a political hack

Other than NYC, we did flatten the curve.  Here in Ohio, they predicted 8-12k cases a day and we got a max of just over 1300 during lockdown.  Seemed like predictions were way off until fall/winter 2020 when they came true.

 

The original lockdown was done to prevent overwhelming our health system and give medicine and science more time to get the necessary understanding and resources to better treat Covid patients.  It was painful but successful.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

5 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

Your relatives are right.  When vaccinations began, it was unknown if they would prevent transmission.  It was strongly felt they would enable our bodies to at least fight it off more effectively.  Before Delta and Omicron, studies showed that the mRNA vaccines did indeed prevent transmission, which was rightly touted by Fauci and the CDC.

 

With our current variants that aspect is greatly reduced or eliminated.

 

It's a virus.  The science is changing quickly, unfortunately.

 

Perhaps the most interesting human behavior is the inability to comprehend a rapidly changing situation and only see in two dimensions.

Distrust of institutions is as natural (and understandable) as the rain.  The last several years of slash and burn politics has done nothing to improve that, and the inability of Fauci to stay on point and the involvement of our government in Wuhan supersized it.  
 

 

 

[Orlando Buffalo]

50 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

Other than NYC, we did flatten the curve.  Here in Ohio, they predicted 8-12k cases a day and we got a max of just over 1300 during lockdown.  Seemed like predictions were way off until fall/winter 2020 when they came true.

 

The original lockdown was done to prevent overwhelming our health system and give medicine and science more time to get the necessary understanding and resources to better treat Covid patients.  It was painful but successful.

Sweden did not overwhelm their healthcare system without a lockdown, so I would say your "success" would only be considered such if your only metric is one dimensional 

[plenzmd1]

2 hours ago, GaryPinC said:

Your relatives are right.  When vaccinations began, it was unknown if they would prevent transmission.  It was strongly felt they would enable our bodies to at least fight it off more effectively.  Before Delta and Omicron, studies showed that the mRNA vaccines did indeed prevent transmission, which was rightly touted by Fauci and the CDC.

 

With our current variants that aspect is greatly reduced or eliminated.

 

It's a virus.  The science is changing quickly, unfortunately.

 

Perhaps the most interesting human behavior is the inability to comprehend a rapidly changing situation and only see in two dimensions.

You are serious? Can’t be, no way. Honestly, from the start we were told vaccines would stop transmission, that only changed when the effectiveness went down. 
 

people who want to believe like you rehash facts to fit your narrative. How can you deny any of these things were said? They are all on record. 
 

a few breakthough cases is not the same as it was never intended to stop transmission. Call it a therapeutic if ya want, it sure as chit ain’t a vaccine. 
 

BTW, my double mask wearing , rule following, triple shot daughter at home with Covid right now. 
 

all a ***** sham, and you buying into it. Virus was always gunna virus. Change the tone on vaccines as they are not a solution out as we are seeing, and it’s a danger to society and public health to keep pushing something as a panacea to the Covid era when it so clearly does not work as intended. 
 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

What was any of this all about for the past year? Every single person I know that got Covid in the last month was vaccinated! Going with this ultra lazy public policy of putting all the eggs in one basket strategy simply didn’t work. Nice job Joe. Nice job Dr Death. Total and complete hacks. Science, my fat arse! Pandemic of the unvaccinated…. right! Sure it is.

[plenzmd1]

18 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

What was any of this all about for the past year? Every single person I know that got Covid in the last month was vaccinated! Going with this ultra lazy public policy of putting all the eggs in one basket strategy simply didn’t work. Nice job Joe. Nice job Dr Death. Total and complete hacks. Science, my fat arse! Pandemic of the unvaccinated…. right! Sure it is.

It’s amazing to me how folks are so invested in the vaccine story that they complete change the narrative of the vaccines. 
 

I mean it is truly, spectacularly amazing. Guys like @GaryPinC saying the powers that be NEVER suggested vaccines would stop transmission. 
 

I mean, if Fauci et al were my kid I would tell them listen, it’s okay to be wrong. Just admit it, take the mea culpa, admit the vaccines and the new pill a pre Covid and a post Covid therapeutic “ 

 

In addition , We are gunna start treating this like we should have from the start, stay at home when you are sick , test , and when you have no symptoms go back to living. 
 

what a freaking sham this all is. 

[plenzmd1]

And yep, more for the “ deny the message was always we think they help transmission , but not sure “  crowd like @GaryPinC 

 

 

Edited December 28, 2021 by plenzmd1

[BillStime]

Hahahahahahah

 

 

[Big Blitz]

 

 

 

Wow

[The Frankish Reich]

4 hours ago, GaryPinC said:

Other than NYC, we did flatten the curve. 

Excellent comment, but actually we flattened the curve in NYC too.

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109711/coronavirus-cases-by-date-new-york-city/

 

It was a remarkably effective response to an incredibly dangerous situation at the time.

 

This is why I'm sick and tired of hearing people mock "15 days to slow the spread." 

 

 

 

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

20 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Not anymore it’s not. Some may have those views on the shot ( I hesitate to call them a vaccine )and I respect them,  but most of us have gotten our jabs. However,  politicians want to force us into endless restrictions, masks, etc etc regardless of the shots they claimed would end it all. All over what amounts to a stronger version of a cold or flu. Clearly there is another agenda at work. Hochul gave a preview of hers when she stated the we need to have no excuse mail in balloting in NYS. Hmmmm. Pretty sure the voters just rejected that in November. 

And we have a winner!  Stretch out the pandemic until after November 2022 to necessitate nationwide mail-in ballot rules for the mid-terms.  That's the best hope to retain Congress in 2022.  The fly in the ointment is Omicron as its not going to lead to jumps in hospitalizations and death counts.  That's why the big interest in testing everybody all of a sudden.  Boost those case counts.  But its mostly asymptomatic (read: false positives) and mild cases.  Vax or no-vax status people will be questioning the mandates and lock downs and these questions will grow louder and louder.  Enough of this..

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

And we have a winner!  Stretch out the pandemic until after November 2022 to necessitate nationwide mail-in ballot rules for the mid-terms.  That's the best hope to retain Congress in 2022.  The fly in the ointment is Omicron as its not going to lead to jumps in hospitalizations and death counts.  That's why the big interest in testing everybody all of a sudden.  Boost those case counts.  But its mostly asymptomatic (read: false positives) and mild cases.  Vax or no-vax status people will be questioning the mandates and lock downs and these questions will grow louder and louder.  Enough of this..

Yes isn’t it odd that they’re suddenly acknowledging “ case counts” may be higher than the official numbers? Any logical person has known this all along as there’s no random testing and probably half or more of cases are asymptomatic. As you point out the consequences of this current variant are less severe so now “cases” are the only way to keep the sheep scared. There will be a huge campaign pushing the overwhelming number of cases and the need for mail in balloting. More cheating is the Dems only hope of avoiding a massacre at the polls in 2022.