Orlando Buffalo Posted November 18, 2021 Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: So we are left with this brilliant argument: - COVID vaccines work, but they're not "durable" and the virus mutates. (Yet somehow we just know that the non-durable vaccine will have all sorts of durable side effects that will weirdly emerge after a year, or two, or three, or more) - this means you will probably need to get a booster after some period of time (6 months is the current ballpark number) - vaccines will probably not completely eradicate COVID-19 because it mutates, so why even bother? This bears a striking resemblance to Keynes's famous quote (about whether continuing fiscal stimulus is sustainable "in the long run"): "In the long run we'll all be dead." Yep, it's not perfect! It doesn't last forever!! Selfish COVID may still find a way to mutate and survive!!! Well, I'm convinced. We should just give up. Since when was "just give up" an American value? Transport yourself back to March 2020. If someone told you "I'm working on a vaccine that in very preliminary trials shows 90-95% effectiveness at preventing severe disease or death provided you take it every 6 months." Who wouldn't have been satisfied with that? Who wouldn't be today? This is still astoundingly good news, but some people just have a desire to be negative about everything. Or how about we discuss the fact that for people under 18 there is literally a one in a 100,000 chance of dying and it is much less if they are healthy. Your reasoning that children should get a vaccine without any long term studies to protect other people is immoral, and I do not use that word lightly. Adults should be protecting children not the other way around.
The Frankish Reich Posted November 18, 2021 Author Posted November 18, 2021 46 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I read or heard somewhere recently that the CDC suggests the J&J booster 60 days after the initial dose. Crazy. Because the initial J&J protocol was one vaccine only. If there’s something “crazy” about monitoring results and making necessary adjustments, I’m just not seeing it.
The Frankish Reich Posted November 18, 2021 Author Posted November 18, 2021 23 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Or how about we discuss the fact that for people under 18 there is literally a one in a 100,000 chance of dying and it is much less if they are healthy. Your reasoning that children should get a vaccine without any long term studies to protect other people is immoral, and I do not use that word lightly. Adults should be protecting children not the other way around. Nice dodge. You could defend your illogic (“but it doesn’t work perfectly, so why require it”), but instead veer to the classic “it’s about the children.” OK, so how about a mandate for all 15 and over? 18 and over?
billsfan1959 Posted November 18, 2021 Posted November 18, 2021 13 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Because the initial J&J protocol was one vaccine only. If there’s something “crazy” about monitoring results and making necessary adjustments, I’m just not seeing it. And how long does the booster last?
The Frankish Reich Posted November 18, 2021 Author Posted November 18, 2021 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: And how long does the booster last? I’m sorry, but this has to be the stupidest anti-vaxx argument yet. And I’m seeing it from all of you. So what if it lasts 4, 5, 6 months? They seem perfectly capable of keeping pace with production. I imagine anti-Vaxxers take their ivermectin and vitamins every day, or every week, or whatever. They probably pop viagra every time their wieners don’t spring into action. They probably take finasteride every day to keep those beautiful locks on their heads. The women amongst that group probably take contraceptives every day, get Botox injections every month or two. Why on earth would it matter that you need to get a booster a couple times a year?
billsfan1959 Posted November 18, 2021 Posted November 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I’m sorry, but this has to be the stupidest anti-vaxx argument yet. And I’m seeing it from all of you. So what if it lasts 4, 5, 6 months? They seem perfectly capable of keeping pace with production. I imagine anti-Vaxxers take their ivermectin and vitamins every day, or every week, or whatever. They probably pop viagra every time their wieners don’t spring into action. They probably take finasteride every day to keep those beautiful locks on their heads. The women amongst that group probably take contraceptives every day, get Botox injections every month or two. Why on earth would it matter that you need to get a booster a couple times a year? Stop being an ass. I am not an anti-vaxxer and it wasn't an argument at all. It was a legitimate question to which I didn't know the answer. So, I asked. And now I know that you don't know the answer either. Maybe you should town down your arrogance and know a little bit more about the topic on which you choose to go on a crusade. 1
Precision Posted November 18, 2021 Posted November 18, 2021 Come on guys, enough with all the hate. Look at these charts, look at how epic they are! We need to mandate more vaccines, jab the kids, stab the cats and dogs. Dump some of that juice into the goldfish bowls. Set up another round for every American, it's all free so what the heck! We'll run up the national debt buying vaccines and then let the little people pay for it once we've made enough. The best part is the end when they cry about rich people having too much money! Ha ha ha ha 1
B-Man Posted November 18, 2021 Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Why on earth would it matter that you need to get a booster a couple times a year? We certainly are not sure of the possible ramifications of that. You aren't supposed to get more than one vaccination a year with other types. We are in uncharted waters here, and (unlike you) I have no problems with people questioning getting a new shot. Edited November 18, 2021 by B-Man 2 1
JaCrispy Posted November 19, 2021 Posted November 19, 2021 56 minutes ago, B-Man said: We certainly are not sure of the possible ramifications of that. You aren't supposed to get more than one vaccination a year with other types. We are in uncharted waters here, and (unlike you) I have no problems with people questioning getting a new shot. Meh...unintended consequences are so overrated, B-Man...😉🤣🤣
Chef Jim Posted November 19, 2021 Posted November 19, 2021 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: Why on earth would it matter that you need to get a booster a couple times a year? Because I don’t trust big Pharma and their motivations.
Big Blitz Posted November 19, 2021 Posted November 19, 2021 This is purely political "we can't admit how grossly incorrect we were and how ridiculous this all looks" theater by Democrats who as usual, double down on the stupid. The NFL. Microcosm of society. Goodell and the NFLPA head who clearly had 10% approval of his players on board with these protocols need to appear on live TV with a copy of them, and set them on fire. As I've asked 7,000,000,000 times.....how is this dynamic any different in 2022, 2023, 2024, and on and on. Crickets. Silence. January 6th.
Big Blitz Posted November 19, 2021 Posted November 19, 2021 Permanent protocols. Permanent societal upheaval - social distancing and masks - Vaccination "status" doesn't matter. Vaccine passports - still follow protocols above These things do not end find one liberal soaking this crap up to tell you otherwise, and the how and why. They can't. And they won't. Torches and pitchforks and actual insurrection is how this ends - which will then give our new Woke Military the excuse to detain the enemies of China I mean the U.S.
Orlando Buffalo Posted November 19, 2021 Posted November 19, 2021 2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Nice dodge. You could defend your illogic (“but it doesn’t work perfectly, so why require it”), but instead veer to the classic “it’s about the children.” OK, so how about a mandate for all 15 and over? 18 and over? So at what age does the other conditions not outrank age? 80? 90? The people who need the vaccine I hope get it but if you try telling me a healthy 19 year old needs to get the vaccine to protect you then you are immoral 47 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Because I don’t trust big Pharma and their motivations. I definitely trust there motive- money. I have no issue with big pharma, I have an issue with immoral people telling me I have to agree with big pharma. 1
OrangeBills Posted November 19, 2021 Posted November 19, 2021 If they tested 100% of people for "Flu" who died in a hospital, the number of annual deaths "From or With Flu" would be multiples of the numbers we get annually. 700k people have died in 2 years "from or with" Covid, so 350k vs a typical Flu season of 50-80k...so multiples (if I were correct) would put that right in the wheelhouse. Death by virus...no, mitigation factors probably had no effect on the ultimate numbers. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted November 19, 2021 Posted November 19, 2021 2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Because the initial J&J protocol was one vaccine only. If there’s something “crazy” about monitoring results and making necessary adjustments, I’m just not seeing it. The initial call on J&J effectiveness was 8 months, and there was a pause on the J&J vax as they investigated concerns about dangerous side effects. It was touted as a one and done shot v the Pfizer twofer, with the question of booster shots tbd. Missing by 6 months on an 8 month window seems…crazy. To at least, reason to question what else they missed on. 2
JaCrispy Posted November 19, 2021 Posted November 19, 2021 (edited) Two words... ***DIGITAL IDENTIFICATION*** This is the whole reason for everything happening now...tearing down the global monetary system in favor of Digital currency, Authoritarianism, post-modernist ideology- the new one-world religion, rioting paid for by the establishment to foment chaos and anarchy... Anyone who goes against these things will have their digital ID (or passport) revoked...they will be enemies of the state and become prisoners without needing to be behind bars...they will have access to nothing...the French have until December 15 to get their booster shots or their “green pass” is deactivated... Remember always wondering why a computer guy named a Bill Gates was so heavily involved in medical vaccines? Kinda strange, right? Well, in a 2018 interview he claimed that immunizations were going to be the pathway to global DIGITAL IDENTIFICATION... We have been set up, lied to, given the illusion that we have freedom and choice...All the while, we’ve just been chasing the dangling carrot and running in circles on the mouse wheel...We’ve been convinced to hate each other so much, we no longer see truth or even care if it exists... We argue about race, gender, and tomahawk chops...but it’s all a distraction from the main attraction going on behind the scenes... Just remember, the pharmaceutical companies and global elites always knew they wanted 100% global vaccination, even though they knew it would never end the virus...but that was never the goal, even though we were fed that lie...it was always DIGITAL IDENTIFICATION and authoritarian global control... Best of luck everyone...🤣🤣🤣😉 Edited November 19, 2021 by JaCrispy 2
The Frankish Reich Posted November 19, 2021 Author Posted November 19, 2021 58 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Two words... ***DIGITAL IDENTIFICATION*** This is the whole reason for everything happening now...tearing down the global monetary system in favor of Digital currency, Authoritarianism, post-modernist ideology- the new one-world religion, rioting paid for by the establishment to foment chaos and anarchy... Anyone who goes against these things will have their digital ID (or passport) revoked...they will be enemies of the state and become prisoners without needing to be behind bars...they will have access to nothing...the French have until December 15 to get their booster shots or their “green pass” is deactivated... Remember always wondering why a computer guy named a Bill Gates was so heavily involved in medical vaccines? Kinda strange, right? Well, in a 2018 interview he claimed that immunizations were going to be the pathway to global DIGITAL IDENTIFICATION... We have been set up, lied to, given the illusion that we have freedom and choice...All the while, we’ve just been chasing the dangling carrot and running in circles on the mouse wheel...We’ve been convinced to hate each other so much, we no longer see truth or even care if it exists... We argue about race, gender, and tomahawk chops...but it’s all a distraction from the main attraction going on behind the scenes... Just remember, the pharmaceutical companies and global elites always knew they wanted 100% global vaccination, even though they knew it would never end the virus...but that was never the goal, even though we were fed that lie...it was always DIGITAL IDENTIFICATION and authoritarian global control... Best of luck everyone...🤣🤣🤣😉 WTF? Would you mind explaining this ALL CAPS DIGITAL IDENTIFICATION you're all worked up about?
JaCrispy Posted November 19, 2021 Posted November 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: WTF? Would you mind explaining this ALL CAPS DIGITAL IDENTIFICATION you're all worked up about? Here’s a little taste to get you started...the rest of the research is up to you...👍
Irv Posted November 19, 2021 Posted November 19, 2021 (edited) Demented Biden drooling in the corner doing absolutely nothing about the consistently shortening chronological effectiveness of the vaccines. His communist buddies and their collective “America Last” agenda are making this pandemic never-ending. What a mess. Edited November 19, 2021 by Irv
Sundancer Posted November 19, 2021 Posted November 19, 2021 14 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Your inclination is very wrong. But go ahead with your assumptions. So you're admitting you're wrong then, that's cool. 14 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Add that to your assumption of my vaccination status. Why do you keep begging me to get vaxxed? Maybe if there was a mandate you'd stop with your concern for my health. Get vaccinated, get boosted. 9 hours ago, JaCrispy said: Here’s a little taste to get you started...the rest of the research is up to you...👍 Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight 10 hours ago, OrangeBills said: If they tested 100% of people for "Flu" who died in a hospital, the number of annual deaths "From or With Flu" would be multiples of the numbers we get annually. 700k people have died in 2 years "from or with" Covid, so 350k vs a typical Flu season of 50-80k...so multiples (if I were correct) would put that right in the wheelhouse. Death by virus...no, mitigation factors probably had no effect on the ultimate numbers. What are you talking about? Overall death rates have spiked up. Something caused and continues to cause that. Something like, well, Covid.
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