Plano Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 48 minutes ago, Irv said: What if your employer tells you that you have to have an abortion? I don't think this is even remotely close to the same argument here.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 20 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Ouch! What a devastating retort. 🙄 A vaccine mandate for health care workers (and I mean those actually physically present with patients, not someone doing medical billing from home) is like requiring restaurant workers to wash their hands after taking a dump. The consequences of not washing your hands/getting a vaccine don’t just fall on the worker; they fall on the customer too. Since when did all these so-called conservatives start arguing that employers don’t have the right to decide who they want working for them? If I owned a restaurant and let the non-hand washer (“I read on the internet that washing your hands too often selects for the survival of Dial soap resistant strains, so I rely on natural immunity”) stay on the job, I’d be sued as soon as the first customer gets e-coli. (I almost expect that someone will respond: but what if you were trying to make me wipe my butt with an experimental and unproven anti-bacterial toilet paper? That’s how absurd the anti-Vaxxers are getting) I don't have a problem with an employer enacting lawful mandates. I do have a problem with authoritarian overreach and selective enforcement, where an administration chooses to thread the needle on a mandate supposedly designed to protect the public from near certain doom. Using your example above, and thoughts previously shared on the subject, I'd think you would be no happier finding chunks of fecal matter in your tuna salad simply because you ate at an independent sole proprietor establishment than you would if you found it in your endless soup bowl at the Olive Garden. I can't quite figure why old Joe didn't require vax4all, it's almost like he's hedging bets to protect himself politically, or this admin does not see the threat as clearly as others do.
SoCal Deek Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I don't have a problem with an employer enacting lawful mandates. I do have a problem with authoritarian overreach and selective enforcement, where an administration chooses to thread the needle on a mandate supposedly designed to protect the public from near certain doom. Using your example above, and thoughts previously shared on the subject, I'd think you would be no happier finding chunks of fecal matter in your tuna salad simply because you ate at an independent sole proprietor establishment than you would if you found it in your endless soup bowl at the Olive Garden. I can't quite figure why old Joe didn't require vax4all, it's almost like he's hedging bets to protect himself politically, or this admin does not see the threat as clearly as others do. Why hasn’t he? Because he doesn’t have the authority to and he knows it.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Why hasn’t he? Because he doesn’t have the authority to and he knows it. I believe he's pulled up short because he doesn't want to agitate a large part of his voting bloc. The dem leadership has been politicizing this since last year when they actively encouraged behavior that lead to the spread of COVID. I agree on the authority issue as well, btw, but these people are slippery fish. Yesterday, Biden and his wife Dr. Jill Biden were out dining maskless like it was 2019, in violation of rules, regs and common sense as he lays it out. He's certainly in the high risk category for significant challenges if he becomes infected, yet, he's out there commando. I suppose one must wonder on any given day if he even remembers the Covid problem, but yeesh. 1
SoCal Deek Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I believe he's pulled up short because he doesn't want to agitate a large part of his voting bloc. The dem leadership has been politicizing this since last year when they actively encouraged behavior that lead to the spread of COVID. I agree on the authority issue as well, btw, but these people are slippery fish. Yesterday, Biden and his wife Dr. Jill Biden were out dining maskless like it was 2019, in violation of rules, regs and common sense as he lays it out. He's certainly in the high risk category for significant challenges if he becomes infected, yet, he's out there commando. I suppose one must wonder on any given day if he even remembers the Covid problem, but yeesh. You're reading too much into it. The single largest voting block he has is those who work in the Government Sector...especially teachers. He hasn't mandated it because he can't and he knows he can't. That's why the first thing he did was to mandate masks in the Post Office....because THAT he does control. After that, hes done NOTHING. Allof their pre-election bluster was nothing more than political hot air.
Bockeye Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 8 hours ago, GaryPinC said: Congratulations. This article is an argument for mandated vaccination of your entire population. Did you mean it that way or are you just ignorant? Exactly - you cannot vax the entire population, esp with experimental vaccines that are leaky (or with the unknowns of this vaccine on toddlers and young population). We are potentially creating a deadlier virus. We should have focused the vaccines and preventative measures on the high risk population. Polio mutates faster than HIV or Covid, yet the vaccine is far more durable. Why is that? Because the polio vaccine is not leaky.https://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-vaccines-can-produce-stronger-versions-of-viruses-072715#Preventing-More-Virulent-Virus-Strains Keep in mind Sinopharm and Sinovac mimic the polio vaccine approach yet are much less successful than the mRNA vaccines. I’m not familiar with sinophram or Sinovac and will have to read up on them
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 14 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: You're reading too much into it. The single largest voting block he has is those who work in the Government Sector...especially teachers. He hasn't mandated it because he can't and he knows he can't. That's why the first thing he did was to mandate masks in the Post Office....because THAT he does control. After that, hes done NOTHING. Allof their pre-election bluster was nothing more than political hot air. I'll consider.
Irv Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 45 minutes ago, Plano said: I don't think this is even remotely close to the same argument here. OK - your employer tells you that you are mandated to give blood.
Plano Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, Irv said: OK - your employer tells you that you are mandated to give blood. Does it help others? Great, glad to do it. I enjoy helping my community. That's why I got vaccinated. 2
Beach Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, Plano said: Does it help others? Great, glad to do it. I enjoy helping my community. That's why I got vaccinated. thank you! im counting on all of yall to get this done so i dont have to!!!!! 1
Irv Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 33 minutes ago, Plano said: Does it help others? Great, glad to do it. I enjoy helping my community. That's why I got vaccinated. No. Not asked to give blood. Manadated to give blood or terminated. You felt my last post was too out there. So what is it?
JaCrispy Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 37 minutes ago, Plano said: Does it help others? Great, glad to do it. I enjoy helping my community. That's why I got vaccinated. And that’s the beauty of choice...good for you...👍
Boatdrinks Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 9 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Democrats hate women. Veteran reporter Allison Williams has decided to leave ESPN rather than comply with the network's mandate that all employees be vaccinated against COVID-19. Williams announced last month that for the first time in 15 years, she would not be on the sidelines during ESPN's college football broadcasts because she had declined the vaccine. (The network made vaccinations mandatory for staffers at live events at the beginning of August, then expanded it to all employees this month.) Then on Friday, she posted a five-minute video on Instagram to explain her decision, saying she is "so morally and ethically not aligned with this" as she and her husband are looking to have another child. Williams cited anecdotal evidence of women having health issues after getting the vaccine as one of the reasons she is choosing not to follow the company mandate. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/media/2021/10/17/allison-williams-leaving-espn-over-mandatory-vaccination-policy/8498841002/ Rightfully fearful that the novel vaccine could impact her cycle, fertility, and pregnancy.........nope. Take the shot or you're fired. ESPN probably thinks she should just become a trans - manwhatever. Lefties have tweeted that they can get pregnant too, with none of that other stuff that plain old women have to go through.
Big Blitz Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 The NFL is showing you despite 90 plus percent vaccination, mitigation doesn't stop. And we are NEVER getting to 90% and we are NEVER getting to quote Emperor Fauci "really low numbers." What idiots anyone left supporting this crap are. Get the vaccine or not. Done. Nothing left to do here. But the NFL and NBA are showing you your "fully vaccinated" future. Protocols will not stop. You'll be masked. Sent home to isolate. So will your "close contacts." Welcome to your bio medical police state future.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Plano said: Does it help others? Great, glad to do it. I enjoy helping my community. That's why I got vaccinated. It’s highly likely that if you were born and raised in this country, and your ancestors a couple generations back were as well, that someone in your family tree fought and suffered against this sort of employer overreach. It doesn’t matter if the employer action is a net positive for the community. It starts with blood letting and next thing you know the local Target is having obligatory “Toss off Tuesday” to support the local sperm bank, and carving 10% off your gross to send over to Planned Parenthood.
SoCal Deek Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 17 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: It’s highly likely that if you were born and raised in this country, and your ancestors a couple generations back were as well, that someone in your family tree fought and suffered against this sort of employer overreach. It doesn’t matter if the employer action is a net positive for the community. It starts with blood letting and next thing you know the local Target is having obligatory “Toss off Tuesday” to support the local sperm bank, and carving 10% off your gross to send over to Planned Parenthood. What you’re describing is the life of millions of teachers who watch while a portion of their monthly paycheck is syphoned off to support every left wing woke cause you can imagine, and they get ZERO say in it. 1
The Frankish Reich Posted October 18, 2021 Author Posted October 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Irv said: No. Not asked to give blood. Manadated to give blood or terminated. You felt my last post was too out there. So what is it? Also way off the mark. If I’m a health care worker my decision not to give blood doesn’t cause harm to my co-workers or the public I interact with. It may fail to alleviate harm to some person somewhere who needs a transfusion, but my decision doesn’t put others at risk. My example - the old favorite “Employees Must Wash Hands Before Returning to Work” posted above the bathroom sink is pretty much on point. And I haven’t seen any argument to the contrary ….
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 30 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: What you’re describing is the life of millions of teachers who watch while a portion of their monthly paycheck is syphoned off to support every left wing woke cause you can imagine, and they get ZERO say in it. I disagree in this case. Union dues are just that, dues to the collective representing your interest exclusively. I think that’s a far cry from “Give blood or you’re fired.”.
SoCal Deek Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I disagree in this case. Union dues are just that, dues to the collective representing your interest exclusively. I think that’s a far cry from “Give blood or you’re fired.”. You’re clearly not a member of the teacher’s Union. 1
Sundancer Posted October 19, 2021 Posted October 19, 2021 4 hours ago, Big Blitz said: The NFL is showing you despite 90 plus percent vaccination, mitigation doesn't stop. And we are NEVER getting to 90% and we are NEVER getting to quote Emperor Fauci "really low numbers." What idiots anyone left supporting this crap are. Get the vaccine or not. Done. Nothing left to do here. But the NFL and NBA are showing you your "fully vaccinated" future. Protocols will not stop. You'll be masked. Sent home to isolate. So will your "close contacts." Welcome to your bio medical police state future. NFL seems to be doing fine. Occasional case and nothing major. Vaccines working well.
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