It's Time to Mandate Vaccines

[billsfan5121]

6 hours ago, Sundancer said:

 

I wonder if you're smart enough to understand the differences between what is happening now and polio/measles/smallpox. 

 

My guess is no, but no worries, there were anti-vaccine folks for those vaccines as well. They look as dumb in retrospect as the covid antivax apologists will look. 

 

If this disease were killing kids at the same rate it was killing old people, the drive to get everyone vaccinated would be in feverish gear. We'd be praising science and trying to create herd immunity to protect kids. 

 

But we don't care about old and at risk folks. 

More assumptions. I’ve already stated I’m not antivax and I have all vaccines as do my children. But being forced to take something that might cause an issue down the road is not ok. 
 

Ive given my concerns, but since my concerns aren’t in line with how you think, you jump to this conclusion that I must be dumb. I’m probably a Trump following, right wing conspiracy theorist? I guess stereotyping is ok now?

Edited October 11, 2021 by billsfan5121

[Big Blitz]

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Edited October 11, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Sundancer]

3 hours ago, billsfan5121 said:

More assumptions. I’ve already stated I’m not antivax and I have all vaccines as do my children. But being forced to take something that might cause an issue down the road is not ok. 

 

I didn't say whether you were vaccinated. I said you're an anti vaccine apologist, which you are. 

 

3 hours ago, billsfan5121 said:

 

Ive given my concerns, but since my concerns aren’t in line with how you think, you jump to this conclusion that I must be dumb. I’m probably a Trump following, right wing conspiracy theorist? I guess stereotyping is ok now?

 

I don't know anything about your politics. I am only here in this thread seeing your science ignorance. 

[Sundancer]

 

In other news, here's a good article on the broken math people apply around Covid. 

 

https://www.persuasion.community/p/how-to-fix-our-broken-relationship

 

"Throughout the pandemic, Americans have grappled with, and largely failed to make sense of, COVID-19 statistics. One major reason for this failure is that the public has found itself at the mercy of commentators who simultaneously report and interpret the math for them. Too often, these interpretations are skewed to support a narrative that resonates with their audiences, either painting a drastic scenario about the risks (school is dangerous for children!) or one that minimizes these same risks (COVID-19 is just another flu!)."

Edited October 11, 2021 by Sundancer

[billsfan5121]

11 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

I didn't say whether you were vaccinated. I said you're an anti vaccine apologist, which you are. 

 

 

I don't know anything about your politics. I am only here in this thread seeing your science ignorance. 

How am I antivaccine when I have stated numerous times that I am vaccinated for everything required other than Covid, and my kids who are both elementary age are vaccinated? Can you read? I chose to have them vaccinated. I didn’t have to. They are homeschooled, yet they were vaccinated because I felt that they are proven safe.
 

Being concerned with new medicine does not make one against it. I’m glad that millions of people feel safe with it. I am concerned with long term effects. The same long term effects that your “science” has failed to identify in the early stages for other medicine. 
 

But since my opinion differs from yours, again, that makes me the ignorant one. I cannot figure out why we live in a world where expression and inclusiveness is such a big topic that everyone is on board with……until it’s not their opinion.

 

As a vaccine promoter, you do such a terrible job of having a rational discussion and trying to have a real conversation about the vaccine. I am losing count of how many times I’ve had to say I’m not antivax, yet there’s a few people who want to throw that label around ignorantly because they can’t read.

 

You do more harm than good for the very product you try to promote. You sound like a child who reverts to name calling when someone doesn’t agree with you. 

[Beach]

im all for all of you getting vaxxed!  

[Sundancer]

35 minutes ago, billsfan5121 said:

How am I antivaccine when I have stated numerous times that I am vaccinated for everything required other than Covid, and my kids who are both elementary age are vaccinated? Can you read? I chose to have them vaccinated. I didn’t have to. They are homeschooled, yet they were vaccinated because I felt that they are proven safe.
 

Being concerned with new medicine does not make one against it. I’m glad that millions of people feel safe with it. I am concerned with long term effects. The same long term effects that your “science” has failed to identify in the early stages for other medicine. 
 

But since my opinion differs from yours, again, that makes me the ignorant one. I cannot figure out why we live in a world where expression and inclusiveness is such a big topic that everyone is on board with……until it’s not their opinion.

 

As a vaccine promoter, you do such a terrible job of having a rational discussion and trying to have a real conversation about the vaccine. I am losing count of how many times I’ve had to say I’m not antivax, yet there’s a few people who want to throw that label around ignorantly because they can’t read.

 

You do more harm than good for the very product you try to promote. You sound like a child who reverts to name calling when someone doesn’t agree with you. 

You wrote all this because you can’t read the word “apologist” after antivax. 
 

I am not trying to convince you. You’re just making bad arguments and I’m pointing it out. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

13 hours ago, Sundancer said:

 

In other news, here's a good article on the broken math people apply around Covid. 

 

https://www.persuasion.community/p/how-to-fix-our-broken-relationship

 

"Throughout the pandemic, Americans have grappled with, and largely failed to make sense of, COVID-19 statistics. One major reason for this failure is that the public has found itself at the mercy of commentators who simultaneously report and interpret the math for them. Too often, these interpretations are skewed to support a narrative that resonates with their audiences, either painting a drastic scenario about the risks (school is dangerous for children!) or one that minimizes these same risks (COVID-19 is just another flu!)."

So who’s job is it to educate and inform the American public on the ‘real’ math? Guess who….Fauci and Biden. So ten months into office are those two clowns informing anyone? Answer: NOPE!

 

If the President’s in charge he needs to change the messenger and the narrative. Having Americans scream at each other on a football team’s message board cannot possibly be the plan? Please say it isn’t Joe! Please say you’ve got more than that!

[LeviF]

Wildcat strikes don't happen with 80%+ compliance. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

14 hours ago, billsfan5121 said:

How am I antivaccine when I have stated numerous times that I am vaccinated for everything required other than Covid, and my kids who are both elementary age are vaccinated? Can you read? I chose to have them vaccinated. I didn’t have to. They are homeschooled, yet they were vaccinated because I felt that they are proven safe.
 

Being concerned with new medicine does not make one against it. I’m glad that millions of people feel safe with it. I am concerned with long term effects. The same long term effects that your “science” has failed to identify in the early stages for other medicine. 
 

But since my opinion differs from yours, again, that makes me the ignorant one. I cannot figure out why we live in a world where expression and inclusiveness is such a big topic that everyone is on board with……until it’s not their opinion.

 

As a vaccine promoter, you do such a terrible job of having a rational discussion and trying to have a real conversation about the vaccine. I am losing count of how many times I’ve had to say I’m not antivax, yet there’s a few people who want to throw that label around ignorantly because they can’t read.

 

You do more harm than good for the very product you try to promote. You sound like a child who reverts to name calling when someone doesn’t agree with you. 

His point is that you either force everyone to agree with him or you are a domestic terrorist. 

[Sundancer]

Two more studies on two-dose vax regimen vs infection and hospitalization. During Delta predominance and only 246,000 participants. I am sorry that I keep sharing actual scientific studies. 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canada-vaccine-effectiveness-data-delayed-doses-mixing-matching-covid-19-vaccines-1.6205993

 

2 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

His point is that you either force everyone to agree with him or you are a domestic terrorist. 

 

Says "Mr. Science" who thought vaccines don't work for most people after 6 months. 

 

I don't think you're a domestic terrorist. Just dumb on science, and that's not so bad. Most people are. But most people posting in this thread are confidently dumb and that's the problem. It's confident dumb people who are helping prop up anti-science decisions generally (like opposing nuclear power) and defending folks who won't vax because [insert irrational explanation here]. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And Just Like That, Washington State’s Fire Marshal Will Lose Job Over Forced Covid Shot. 

 

“The marshal, Charles LeBlanc, a 33-year-veteran of the agency, says the state has granted him a medical exemption from getting the shot, but that it can’t ‘accommodate’ the exemption.”

 

 

 

To be fair, that makes as much sense as anything else we’ve seen in the last 18 months.

 

 

 

 

[Sundancer]

3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

So who’s job is it to educate and inform the American public on the ‘real’ math? Guess who….Fauci and Biden. So ten months into office are those two clowns informing anyone? Answer: NOPE!

 

If the President’s in charge he needs to change the messenger and the narrative. Having Americans scream at each other on a football team’s message board cannot possibly be the plan? Please say it isn’t Joe! Please say you’ve got more than that!

 

Unlike you, I don't think it's the government's job to educate people on pandemic health and science. Certainly not the president, though I expect him to set an example and listen to his advisors. 

 

That being said, the government has unsurprisingly been bad at communicating the numbers.

[B-Man]

 

 

 “People don’t leave careers just because they’re in the mood to make a political statement.

The fact that so many healthcare professionals have misgivings about the vaccine should be enough to spark a real conversation.”

 

https://pjmedia.com/columns/stephen-kruiser/2021/10/12/the-morning-briefing-vax-nazis-gleefully-pushing-people-into-unemployment-n1523211

[Sundancer]

29 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 “People don’t leave careers just because they’re in the mood to make a political statement.

The fact that so many healthcare professionals have misgivings about the vaccine should be enough to spark a real conversation.”

 

https://pjmedia.com/columns/stephen-kruiser/2021/10/12/the-morning-briefing-vax-nazis-gleefully-pushing-people-into-unemployment-n1523211

 

Agreed: Why are pretty much only Americans adopting such moronic positions in large numbers? 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

Agreed: Why are pretty much only Americans adopting such moronic positions in large numbers? 

 

There is your answer.

Land of the Free

 

 

 

 

 

New York Times journo: ‘For those [children] without a serious medical condition, the danger of severe Covid is so low as to be difficult to quantify’

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/10/12/new-york-times-journo-for-those-children-without-a-serious-medical-condition-the-danger-of-severe-covid-is-so-low-as-to-be-difficult-to-quantify/

 

 

[dpberr]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And Just Like That, Washington State’s Fire Marshal Will Lose Job Over Forced Covid Shot. 

 

“The marshal, Charles LeBlanc, a 33-year-veteran of the agency, says the state has granted him a medical exemption from getting the shot, but that it can’t ‘accommodate’ the exemption.”

 

 

 

To be fair, that makes as much sense as anything else we’ve seen in the last 18 months.

 

 

 

 

The state will lose that forthcoming lawsuit.  A mandate without exemptions is illegal, and trying to circumvent the spirit of the exemption by simply choosing not to accommodate the exemption won't pass muster.  Lots of precedent on that one.   

 

The tragedy is this guy will have to spend his own money to keep a job he shouldn't have lost in the first place.  

[Sundancer]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

There is your answer.

Land of the Free

 

 

 

 

 

New York Times journo: ‘For those [children] without a serious medical condition, the danger of severe Covid is so low as to be difficult to quantify’

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/10/12/new-york-times-journo-for-those-children-without-a-serious-medical-condition-the-danger-of-severe-covid-is-so-low-as-to-be-difficult-to-quantify/

 

 

 

Plenty of stupid to go around. Lots in this thread. Here’s another: Americans are relatively alone (with Venezuala) going full stupid in the anti-vax and anti-vax apologist PPP direction but they are not alone going full stupid in the mandate direction (Hi Australia).  
 

 

Edited October 12, 2021 by Sundancer

[Beach]

so smart!