oldmanfan Posted September 25, 2021 Posted September 25, 2021 42 minutes ago, B-Man said: Medical staff does NOT want the vaccination Where I work about 1% of our staff refused. To say medical staff does not want vaccine is a wild exaggeration. 1
B-Man Posted September 25, 2021 Posted September 25, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Where I work about 1% of our staff refused. To say medical staff does not want vaccine is a wild exaggeration. Not in this particular case...........as you can read. Also, in my neck of the woods, OGH had to shut down a floor due to staffing unavailability. It is a problem there is no reason to try and spin it Edited September 25, 2021 by B-Man 2
Boatdrinks Posted September 25, 2021 Posted September 25, 2021 54 minutes ago, B-Man said: Not in this particular case...........as you can read. Also, in my neck of the woods, OGH had to shut down a floor due to staffing unavailability. It is a problem there is no reason to try and spin it Agreed. I personally know Nurses and ( Medical) Doctors that will not get the vaccine. Their reasons vary, but they refuse. While I am vaccinated, I believe it’s a personal decision that should be up to the individual and there shouldn’t be any mandates. 2
B-Man Posted September 26, 2021 Posted September 26, 2021 EXCLUSIVE: @RollingStone got inside an NBA players' union meeting, where stars are saying any jab requirement is a "non-starter." https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/nba-anti-vaxxers-covid-1231988/ 1
oldmanfan Posted September 26, 2021 Posted September 26, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, B-Man said: Here’s a quick quiz: Which of these pictures is indoors? Which of these pictures has people who cannot get vaccinated? Edited September 26, 2021 by oldmanfan
GaryPinC Posted September 26, 2021 Posted September 26, 2021 19 hours ago, B-Man said: Not in this particular case...........as you can read. Also, in my neck of the woods, OGH had to shut down a floor due to staffing unavailability. It is a problem there is no reason to try and spin it My hospital has had nurse staffing challenges since at least early summer because of burnout/leaving. One of the biggest reasons for nurses leaving was to become an independent contractor and earn 1.5-2 times the money. This was well before a vaccine requirement. 1
Sundancer Posted September 26, 2021 Posted September 26, 2021 (edited) 19 hours ago, Boatdrinks said: Agreed. I personally know Nurses and ( Medical) Doctors that will not get the vaccine. Their reasons vary, but they refuse. While I am vaccinated, I believe it’s a personal decision that should be up to the individual and there shouldn’t be any mandates. My wife and best friend work in a huge a large medical system respectively. The vax holdouts are not doctors and nurses. Not to diminish the contributions of the people holding out, but they are mostly not medically trained folks. They are more like the PPP epidemiologists. Edited September 26, 2021 by Sundancer
JaCrispy Posted September 26, 2021 Posted September 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Sundancer said: My wife and best friend work in a huge a large medical system respectively. The vax holdouts are not doctors and nurses. This is not entirely true...they may not be the majority, but they are out there...many have quit, many have joined lawsuits and in the middle of litigation... 1
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted September 26, 2021 Posted September 26, 2021 On 9/24/2021 at 9:32 AM, plenzmd1 said: Just tested positive for the coco...fully vaxed since April 24th. Cold like symptoms. These vaccines are not vaccines, they are therapeutics, and we should call them as such. Are you doing ok?
JaCrispy Posted September 26, 2021 Posted September 26, 2021 10 hours ago, B-Man said: EXCLUSIVE: @RollingStone got inside an NBA players' union meeting, where stars are saying any jab requirement is a "non-starter." https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/nba-anti-vaxxers-covid-1231988/ Fight the power! 1 hour ago, GaryPinC said: My hospital has had nurse staffing challenges since at least early summer because of burnout/leaving. One of the biggest reasons for nurses leaving was to become an independent contractor and earn 1.5-2 times the money. This was well before a vaccine requirement. That’s ok...NY Governor Hochul just said they will just replace unvaccinated nurses with illegals...🤣
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted September 26, 2021 Posted September 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: This is not entirely true...they may not be the majority, but they are out there...many have quit, many have joined lawsuits and in the middle of litigation... Many have quit here as well. To me still middle of fence for everything and think info for vaccines to help people. But never mandate or force people to take them. Just on the fence still of everything even tho vaccinated. Some people take vaccines too far. (understand on covid vaccine) Some say all are bad. Lack of education. Like Tetanus vaccine, insult for people on diabetes. All helpful. 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted September 26, 2021 Posted September 26, 2021 I just saw that in California that anyone over 12 must be vaccinated to attend Warrior games, is there anyone who believes the vaccine is for the 13 year old and not for others? The mentality that makes a healthy 13 year old do something to protect a 55 year old overweight smoker is absurd 2
Sundancer Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) For the “vaccinated people transmit just like unvaccinated” posters. Edited September 27, 2021 by Sundancer
Orlando Buffalo Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 38 minutes ago, Sundancer said: For the vaccinated people transmit just like unvaccinated posters. You keep banging the same drum and ignore the bigger point- it is not a vaccine. A vaccine makes you immune to an illness. This is the lesser equivalent of the flu shot. I have gotten my Covid shot and usually get a flu shot but the vaccine for teen is immoral. And lastly only a few people argue the vaccine is completely worthless 1
Sundancer Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 7 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: You keep banging the same drum and ignore the bigger point- it is not a vaccine. A vaccine makes you immune to an illness. This is the lesser equivalent of the flu shot. I have gotten my Covid shot and usually get a flu shot but the vaccine for teen is immoral. And lastly only a few people argue the vaccine is completely worthless Maybe you didn’t see the graph. The vaccine gives immunity AND if there’s a breakthrough, confers the added benefit of less severity. Many previous vaccines had lower effectiveness but we praised them. And of course more people adopted them. I advised this already but look at the graph. Give a teen a vaccine and they break the transmission chain.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 On 9/26/2021 at 7:12 AM, oldmanfan said: Here’s a quick quiz: Which of these pictures is indoors? Which of these pictures has people who cannot get vaccinated? I think I’m the only one, but I always find myself wondering if these people spontaneously appear at these outdoor events, or if they take public transport/stop at restaurants/use communal restrooms/fly on airplanes/stay at hotels/drive in cars/comingle with others from multiple hh families and so on. As for who could or couldn’t get vaccinated, I tried to look for comorbidity indicators but the durn folks were packed in there so tightly like sardines in a penny loafer it was hard to say where one body started and the other ended. It seems to me where boatloads of money/entertainment/political priorities and the virus meet, money and politics seems to win just about every time. Then again, maybe the virus occasionally hovers as has been speculated on since 2020. 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted September 27, 2021 Posted September 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Sundancer said: Maybe you didn’t see the graph. The vaccine gives immunity AND if there’s a breakthrough, confers the added benefit of less severity. Many previous vaccines had lower effectiveness but we praised them. And of course more people adopted them. I advised this already but look at the graph. Give a teen a vaccine and they break the transmission chain. It give it immunity for a short while- I have watched it rip through my parents retirement community over the past 6 weeks. All of them vaccinated who caught COVID, thankfully no one has died but stop with the immunity talk. If true immunity then you would require people to be vaxxed to attend events, or wear masks when at school.
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