aristocrat Posted yesterday at 05:44 PM Posted yesterday at 05:44 PM 9 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: History of the Mennonites in Gaines County, Texas. https://www.lubbockonline.com/story/lifestyle/faith/2010/11/07/mennonites-bring-change-accept-change-gaines-county/15256780007/ They were in Canada in the 70s. Canada required that their kids be taught in English. They set up a settlement in Mexico. Then in the late 70s they came north to Texas. They were "illegal immigrants," but not what you likely think of when you think of Mexican immigrants. Anyway, INS wanted to deport them. The community was outraged. Senator Lloyd Bentsen (who knew Jack Kennedy, who was a friend of his, or so I've heard) sponsored a bill making them permanent residents. Then their kids were native born citizens, and so too their grandkids. And even though it is apparently not Mennonite (Anabaptist tradition) doctrine that vaccines are not permitted, Texas (in its wisdom) says you can get an exemption from vaccine requirements based on religious reasons (a overbroad interpretation of the First Amendment) or just on simple "conscience" reasons (which has nothing to do with freedom of religion). And so you have a vulnerable largish population in a smallish community, and measles spreads like wildfire in it. And then innocents like little babies (who aren't conscientious objectors to vaccines!) get measles. And likely wind up hospitalized. Or, sometimes, dead. Funny, I grew up in the Christian Catholic tradition, where I learned that it is my responsibility to look out for the well-being of my neighbor, which to me includes doing what I reasonably can to prevent babies from dying of readily-controllable infectious diseases. I guess today's Christians are today's individualists. Or immoralists. Now you know the rest of the story. who gave them the measles? Could it possibly be illegals who are unvaccinated coming over the border?
The Frankish Reich Posted yesterday at 05:52 PM Author Posted yesterday at 05:52 PM 7 minutes ago, aristocrat said: who gave them the measles? Could it possibly be illegals who are unvaccinated coming over the border? yeah, illegal Mexicans probably took a raft to Samoa too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Samoa_measles_outbreak
JDHillFan Posted yesterday at 05:53 PM Posted yesterday at 05:53 PM 5 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: I guess today's Christians are today's individualists. Or immoralists. It’s complicated isn’t it? One very left-leaning poster here that likes to frequently remind people of his/her/their Catholicism, actually stated he/she/they would be “very pleased” with the murder of ICE agents. None of the other lefties here that have advertised their Christianity, and there are a small handful, were bothered enough to say anything. Go figure.
The Frankish Reich Posted yesterday at 06:00 PM Author Posted yesterday at 06:00 PM 4 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: It’s complicated isn’t it? One very left-leaning poster here that likes to frequently remind people of his/her/their Catholicism, actually stated he/she/they would be “very pleased” with the murder of ICE agents. None of the other lefties here that have advertised their Christianity, and there are a small handful, were bothered enough to say anything. Go figure. Well it must have been one of those posts I ignored. I actually have friends who are ICE agents. Let me express my very Christian opposition. My idea here: Christianity is a communitarian faith. It is not raw individualism. It is not a faith that honors the free rider ("let everyone else do the hard thing like getting a vaccine and let me sit back and benefit from herd immunity"). Or at least so I thought. 2
aristocrat Posted yesterday at 06:00 PM Posted yesterday at 06:00 PM 4 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: yeah, illegal Mexicans probably took a raft to Samoa too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Samoa_measles_outbreak We lived in New Orleans during Covid. Wife had a patient whose father was in the Tuskegee experiment. He refused to get any vaxxes and same with his entire family. Whose fault is that? Fauci, Biden and other paraded around this vaccine as the end all cure and it didn’t work. That’s how you create vaccine hesitancy. 1 2
The Frankish Reich Posted yesterday at 06:06 PM Author Posted yesterday at 06:06 PM Just now, aristocrat said: We lived in New Orleans during Covid. Wife had a patient whose father was in the Tuskegee experiment. He refused to get any vaxxes and same with his entire family. Whose fault is that? Fauci, Biden and other paraded around this vaccine as the end all cure and it didn’t work. That’s how you create vaccine hesitancy. Fair point. And I realize the conversation here shifted (and not initially through my posts) to vaccines in general, including all the time-tested ones like MMR and polio. Maybe this belongs under a new thread. Even if you aren't RFK Jr you should recognize that vaccines aren't totally risk-free for the recipient. Understood. The risks, however, are very, very small. But in a very, very large population, that means some documented severe adverse reactions. But any cost-benefit calculus will show that the benefits to vaccinating 100% of the population against once-common childhood diseases (think MMR) overwhelmingly exceed the costs. States that allow "conscience objections" are making an incredibly poor policy choice. Remember: ordered liberty. Not anarchy. 22 minutes ago, aristocrat said: who gave them the measles? Could it possibly be illegals who are unvaccinated coming over the border? Or it could be the nice oil industry family who took a vacation in Cancun? 1
IrishLass Posted yesterday at 09:28 PM Posted yesterday at 09:28 PM Looks like more investigation is needed! Vaccinate in haste, repent at leisure. 1
The Frankish Reich Posted yesterday at 09:47 PM Author Posted yesterday at 09:47 PM 19 minutes ago, IrishLass said: Looks like more investigation is needed! Vaccinate in haste, repent at leisure. Go back to Ireland.
4th&long Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Go back to Ireland. I Laugh that they ate still crying about the vaccine. I was not for a mandate, I was hoping more of the white trash would just drop dead. I took it and am healthy as a horse.
dgrochester55 Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago (edited) 13 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: Good points. I think the difference is that vaccines like the measles and polio actually work while the mrna covid vaccines don't and as the light of day now shines on them we're all going to have to live with the truth they have caused significant side effects like death. I saw a recent story about a long covid study that concluded the condition was not the result of a covid infection but rather the vaccine in combo with a covid infection. I took the original Moderna 2 doses and 1 booster because we had a high risk person in the household. But he died of respiratory failure from getting covid while in the hospital. Caught it 3 frigin times! Those 4 boosters didn't do crap. My assessesmment was he was vaccinated to death. I will not ever take another dose of that poison. Watch your weight, get some exercise, eat right, stay away from drugs and alcohol and you'll be okay. The whole process was shady, they dismissed the hundreds of reports on VAERS as anecdotal for the mRNA options, but pulled J&J and made it looks like poison on the media for fiteen blood clot cases cases which included some who had not disclosed that they also got the Pfizer or Moderna one. I've heard mixed things on the side effects and don't know the extent, but the bigger crime to me was the media hiding for the first few months that it did not stop you from getting COVID but only masked the symptoms. I understand that this may have reduced deaths in the short term, but if COVID has a connection to autoimmune diseases like some think, then that vaccine created a silent death sentence for thousands or millions. I am totally for vaccines. However, if something similar happens in the future, there should always be a choice, the government should allow the most effective and not the most profitable, and there should be full disclosure on what it does and does not do. Edited 21 hours ago by dgrochester55 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 1 hour ago, 4th&long said: I Laugh that they ate still crying about the vaccine. I was not for a mandate, I was hoping more of the white trash would just drop dead. I took it and am healthy as a horse. You actually believe that children being forced to take an experimental drug is something other than evil? With hindsight you are supposed to see the bad you did but you seem to relish being evil. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted 20 hours ago Posted 20 hours ago (edited) 5 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Go back to Ireland. She/he is probably Mexican. The MAGAs here are never who they claim to be. Edited 20 hours ago by Joe Ferguson forever 1
4th&long Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 4 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said: You actually believe that children being forced to take an experimental drug is something other than evil? With hindsight you are supposed to see the bad you did but you seem to relish being evil. A teacher who can't read. Big surprise. I said I was not for the mandate. Very evil giving people a vaccine that was fine. My whole family took it and are all fine. Eveyone I know who took it are fine. Don't try to rewrite history. You're evil. You worship trump. He took the vaccine, that must blow your mind.A teacher who doesn't have a clue. I would worry about your future if I were you, you keep arguing about your past.
JDHillFan Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 6 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: She/he is probably Mexican. The MAGAs here are never who they claim to be. On 1/25/2024 at 10:30 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said: Susan collins whom i went to school with
Orlando Buffalo Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 4 hours ago, 4th&long said: A teacher who can't read. Big surprise. I said I was not for the mandate. Very evil giving people a vaccine that was fine. My whole family took it and are all fine. Eveyone I know who took it are fine. Don't try to rewrite history. You're evil. You worship trump. He took the vaccine, that must blow your mind.A teacher who doesn't have a clue. I would worry about your future if I were you, you keep arguing about your past. I thought you were being sarcastic when you wrote " I was not for a mandate, I was hoping more of the white trash would just drop dead." Since you were serious I am not sure how to respond.
4th&long Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 11 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said: I thought you were being sarcastic when you wrote " I was not for a mandate, I was hoping more of the white trash would just drop dead." Since you were serious I am not sure how to respond. No sarcasm. I'm not for a mandate, and if people don't want the vaccine I don't care what happens to them.
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