It's Time to Mandate Vaccines

[aristocrat]

9 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

History of the Mennonites in Gaines County, Texas.

 

https://www.lubbockonline.com/story/lifestyle/faith/2010/11/07/mennonites-bring-change-accept-change-gaines-county/15256780007/

 

They were in Canada in the 70s. Canada required that their kids be taught in English. They set up a settlement in Mexico. Then in the late 70s they came north to Texas. They were "illegal immigrants," but not what you likely think of when you think of Mexican immigrants. Anyway, INS wanted to deport them. The community was outraged. Senator Lloyd Bentsen (who knew Jack Kennedy, who was a friend of his, or so I've heard) sponsored a bill making them permanent residents. Then their kids were native born citizens, and so too their grandkids. And even though it is apparently not Mennonite (Anabaptist tradition) doctrine that vaccines are not permitted, Texas (in its wisdom) says you can get an exemption from vaccine requirements based on religious reasons (a overbroad interpretation of the First Amendment) or just on simple "conscience" reasons (which has nothing to do with freedom of religion). 

 

And so you have a vulnerable largish population in a smallish community, and measles spreads like wildfire in it. And then innocents like little babies (who aren't conscientious objectors to vaccines!) get measles. And likely wind up hospitalized. Or, sometimes, dead.

 

Funny, I grew up in the Christian Catholic tradition, where I learned that it is my responsibility to look out for the well-being of my neighbor, which to me includes doing what I reasonably can to prevent babies from dying of readily-controllable infectious diseases. 

 

I guess today's Christians are today's individualists. Or immoralists. 

 

Now you know the rest of the story.

who gave them the measles? Could it possibly be illegals who are unvaccinated coming over the border?  

[The Frankish Reich]

7 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

who gave them the measles? Could it possibly be illegals who are unvaccinated coming over the border?  

yeah, illegal Mexicans probably took a raft to Samoa too.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Samoa_measles_outbreak

[JDHillFan]

5 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I guess today's Christians are today's individualists. Or immoralists. 

It’s complicated isn’t it? One very left-leaning poster here that likes to frequently remind people of his/her/their Catholicism, actually stated he/she/they would be “very pleased” with the murder of ICE agents. None of the other lefties here that have advertised their Christianity, and there are a small handful, were bothered enough to say anything. Go figure. 

[The Frankish Reich]

4 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

It’s complicated isn’t it? One very left-leaning poster here that likes to frequently remind people of his/her/their Catholicism, actually stated he/she/they would be “very pleased” with the murder of ICE agents. None of the other lefties here that have advertised their Christianity, and there are a small handful, were bothered enough to say anything. Go figure. 

Well it must have been one of those posts I ignored.

I actually have friends who are ICE agents. Let me express my very Christian opposition.

 

My idea here: Christianity is a communitarian faith. It is not raw individualism. It is not a faith that honors the free rider ("let everyone else do the hard thing like getting a vaccine and let me sit back and benefit from herd immunity"). Or at least so I thought.

[aristocrat]

4 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

yeah, illegal Mexicans probably took a raft to Samoa too.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Samoa_measles_outbreak

We lived in New Orleans during Covid. Wife had a patient whose father was in the Tuskegee experiment. He refused to get any vaxxes and same with his entire family. Whose fault is that? Fauci, Biden and other paraded around this vaccine as the end all cure and it didn’t work. That’s how you create vaccine hesitancy. 

[The Frankish Reich]

Just now, aristocrat said:

We lived in New Orleans during Covid. Wife had a patient whose father was in the Tuskegee experiment. He refused to get any vaxxes and same with his entire family. Whose fault is that? Fauci, Biden and other paraded around this vaccine as the end all cure and it didn’t work. That’s how you create vaccine hesitancy. 

Fair point. And I realize the conversation here shifted (and not initially through my posts) to vaccines in general, including all the time-tested ones like MMR and polio. Maybe this belongs under a new thread.

Even if you aren't RFK Jr you should recognize that vaccines aren't totally risk-free for the recipient. Understood. The risks, however, are very, very small. But in a very, very large population, that means some documented severe adverse reactions.

 

But any cost-benefit calculus will show that the benefits to vaccinating 100% of the population against once-common childhood diseases (think MMR) overwhelmingly exceed the costs. States that allow "conscience objections" are making an incredibly poor policy choice. Remember: ordered liberty. Not anarchy.

22 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

who gave them the measles? Could it possibly be illegals who are unvaccinated coming over the border?  

Or it could be the nice oil industry family who took a vacation in Cancun?

[IrishLass]

Looks like more investigation is needed! Vaccinate in haste, repent at leisure.

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

19 minutes ago, IrishLass said:

Looks like more investigation is needed! Vaccinate in haste, repent at leisure.

 

 

Go back to Ireland.

[4th&long]

2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Go back to Ireland.

I Laugh that they ate still crying about the vaccine. I was not for a mandate, I was hoping more of the white trash would just drop dead. I took it and am healthy as a horse.