Sundancer Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Sorry to again inject actual data. Pre-print but 50,000 people study. Vaccines prevent transmission too. Why? Mostly Because they prevent cases. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v1 6 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I do not exaggerate when i say that my students missed more days over past year and a half from side effects of shot than from actual days with symptoms from Covid. You’re bullshitting us or they’re bullshitting you. get Covid: Risk death and transmit deadly disease causing pandemic get shot: sore arm and maybe a day of dragging Hmm now what should I do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 43 minutes ago, Sundancer said: Sorry to again inject actual data. Pre-print but 50,000 people study. Vaccines prevent transmission too. Why? Mostly Because they prevent cases. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v1 Yeah. That's common sense. Careful with pre-print studies though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 3 hours ago, Sundancer said: You’re bullshitting us or they’re bullshitting you. get Covid: Risk death and transmit deadly disease causing pandemic get shot: sore arm and maybe a day of dragging Hmm now what should I do? You are unable to accept that Covid is a minimal risk to those who are in good health and under 50 but especially those under 18. My son had many wrestling practices cancelled due to one of the kids having tested positive for Covid but none of them developed symptoms at all or caused a breakout amongst the team. As far as actual deaths, my son's high school has had at least 2 suicides, 2 deaths in car accidents, and a drug overdose but not one Covid death or long term hospitalization. To equate a 16 year old risk with a 70 year olds risk is improper and leads to unethical decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 10 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: From the Onion but seeing as 99.5% of people survive- and higher than that under 50- it is a pretty pathetic parody. It would be the same as saying if I don't get the flu shot I will most likely end up in the hospital Whats 0.5 percent of 7.5 billion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: Whats 0.5 percent of 7.5 billion? You are defending poor satire by pointing out that my survival rate was far too high? The world has less than 5 million Covid deaths and for my number to true that would need to be closer to 25 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 can someone explain to me why in CA Newsom has said once approved , all children must be vaccinated in order to go to class. No exceptions But right now, with a fully approved vaccine, teachers have a choice to either get vaxxed or test weekly. Someone please explain how this is not 100% political, and why someone who has children is a California school should trust anything Newsom does on the pandemic. BTW, the other powerful union in the state, the correctional officers union...and guess what...in what is quite possibly the best breeding ground of Covid imaginable, Newsom was against mandated the officers to get vaxxed. HMMM..sure not political 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan5121 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 20 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: can someone explain to me why in CA Newsom has said once approved , all children must be vaccinated in order to go to class. No exceptions But right now, with a fully approved vaccine, teachers have a choice to either get vaxxed or test weekly. Someone please explain how this is not 100% political, and why someone who has children is a California school should trust anything Newsom does on the pandemic. BTW, the other powerful union in the state, the correctional officers union...and guess what...in what is quite possibly the best breeding ground of Covid imaginable, Newsom was against mandated the officers to get vaxxed. HMMM..sure not political What I want to know is if California is similar to Virginia in that middle school is 6th to 8th grade, meaning students range from 11 years old to 13 years old. Since 12 and up is eligible, that means 2/3s will be required while 1/3 won’t. If COVID is that dangerous for children, why isn’t K - 6th grade mandatory at home learning so they arent mixed with the vaccinated? The rules people are making are simply arbitrary and have changed throughout this whole pandemic. Then we hear that they change because more is learned as we go, but then we hear trust the science, which they just admitted that it changed. I’m sick of hearing trust the science when science is constantly changing. I don’t post in this section often but I’m still waiting for anyone to comment how Chantix - made by Phizer - was recalled after they figured out after 15 years it causes cancer. However, it was deemed safe and FDA approved in May 2006. Just because they feel something is safe today does not mean we won’t learn later that there’s a problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said: You are defending poor satire by pointing out that my survival rate was far too high? The world has less than 5 million Covid deaths and for my number to true that would need to be closer to 25 million. Because the world went into preventative measures everyone in the world didn’t catch COVID. Had we just let it run its course, at a 0.5 percent death rate we would have killed 37.5 million people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Backintheday544 said: Because the world went into preventative measures everyone in the world didn’t catch COVID. Had we just let it run its course, at a 0.5 percent death rate we would have killed 37.5 million people. Purely speculative...and you can have preventive measures while leveling with people, instead of threatening their lives...if people feel their lives are in serious danger, they will make the appropriate determinations...clearly, most people don’t fear Covid the way the government and media had hoped...👍 Edited October 2, 2021 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 27 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: Because the world went into preventative measures everyone in the world didn’t catch COVID. Had we just let it run its course, at a 0.5 percent death rate we would have killed 37.5 million people. So you admit your original post was a poor version of satire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: So you admit your original post was a poor version of satire? It’s not satire. It’s math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 23 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: It’s not satire. It’s math. Got it- saying either get vaxxed or die is not satire, it is math when 99%+ survive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Got it- saying either get vaxxed or die is not satire, it is math when 99%+ survive. You spit out this 99 percent. Apply it to real life numbers. You’re saying it’s ok for 1 percent of the world population to die. You’re saying it’s okay for millions of people to die. You down play it by saying it’s 0.5 percent. But that’s millions of millions of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Backintheday544 said: You spit out this 99 percent. Apply it to real life numbers. You’re saying it’s ok for 1 percent of the world population to die. You’re saying it’s okay for millions of people to die. You down play it by saying it’s 0.5 percent. But that’s millions of millions of people. You act as if I am flippant about Covid when you are the one making absurd comparisons, but please answer me one questions- what is an acceptable death count to you for Covid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 (edited) its 99%+ survival of people who get it, not 99% of the population will survive. there is a difference. Edited October 2, 2021 by Beach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 6 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: You are unable to accept that Covid is a minimal risk to those who are in good health and under 50 but especially those under 18. Link me to where I said this. You love to just make ***** up. 6 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: My son had many wrestling practices cancelled due to one of the kids having tested positive for Covid but none of them developed symptoms at all or caused a breakout amongst the team. Psst. They were spreading it. Covid kills other at risk people. In case you didn’t know. 6 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: As far as actual deaths, my son's high school has had at least 2 suicides, 2 deaths in car accidents, and a drug overdose but not one Covid death or long term hospitalization. Sad but not relevant to anything I’ve said. 6 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: To equate a 16 year old risk with a 70 year olds risk is improper and leads to unethical decisions. Ok. To ignore the risk to 70 year olds who can get Covid from 16 year olds is not a convincing counterargument to this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 43 minutes ago, Sundancer said: Link me to where I said this. You love to just make ***** up. Psst. They were spreading it. Covid kills other at risk people. In case you didn’t know. Sad but not relevant to anything I’ve said. Ok. To ignore the risk to 70 year olds who can get Covid from 16 year olds is not a convincing counterargument to this point. Can fat people and smokers get the Pfizer booster at 6 months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backintheday544 Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said: You act as if I am flippant about Covid when you are the one making absurd comparisons, but please answer me one questions- what is an acceptable death count to you for Covid? There is no acceptable death count but minimizing the amount of deaths is the best we can do. Im not making any absurd comparisons. If the death rate is 0.5 percent, that’s many millions dead if you don’t do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Buffalo Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Sundancer said: Link me to where I said this. You love to just make ***** up. Psst. They were spreading it. Covid kills other at risk people. In case you didn’t know. Sad but not relevant to anything I’ve said. Ok. To ignore the risk to 70 year olds who can get Covid from 16 year olds is not a convincing counterargument to this point. I don't know what you believe because you never actually state what it is you believe, you simply state what you don't believe. So tell me at what age you believe the vaccine should be mandated, and when the boosters should be administered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 2, 2021 Share Posted October 2, 2021 Covid cases down 20% last two weeks...hospitals should now hire back all the heroes they fired this past week... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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