Beach Posted September 17, 2021 Posted September 17, 2021 On 9/17/2021 at 1:01 PM, BillStime said: People - get vaccinated for heaven's sake Expand nah
Bockeye Posted September 17, 2021 Posted September 17, 2021 On 9/17/2021 at 9:18 AM, Sundancer said: I never thought I'd see the day when an argument that "But there's a Facebook group that says ____" had multiple supporters. Congratulations, we've plumbed a new bottom! Who else is in this club besides @LeviF and @Bockeye? Expand Except that I stated I personally know many individuals that have had adverse reactions and even listed a few, so there’s that. But you’ve chosen to ignore this. But, but, if you get the shot, mask up and stay 6 feet away you will be protected and won’t get COVID. How’s that working out? Who else is in the gullible club with Sundancer?
Governor Posted September 17, 2021 Posted September 17, 2021 On 9/17/2021 at 1:01 PM, BillStime said: People - get vaccinated for heaven's sake Expand Herman Cain nomination.
BillStime Posted September 17, 2021 Posted September 17, 2021 On 9/17/2021 at 1:55 PM, Bockeye said: Except that I stated I personally know many individuals that have had adverse reactions and even listed a few, so there’s that. But you’ve chosen to ignore this. But, but, if you get the shot, mask up and stay 6 feet away you will be protected and won’t get COVID. How’s that working out? Who else is in the gullible club with Sundancer? Expand
SCBills Posted September 17, 2021 Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) On 9/17/2021 at 2:19 PM, BillStime said: Expand This isn’t science based when vaccinated people can transmit it, but it’s not a mandate when they explicitly state you can test instead. They also explicitly state testing will be provided both on-site or via self test kits. Edited September 17, 2021 by SCBills
BillStime Posted September 17, 2021 Posted September 17, 2021 On 9/17/2021 at 2:39 PM, SCBills said: This isn’t science based when vaccinated people can transmit it, but it’s not a mandate when they explicitly state you can test instead. Expand What are the latest Covid death percentages for those vaccinated vs. not vaccinated?
SCBills Posted September 17, 2021 Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) On 9/17/2021 at 2:41 PM, BillStime said: What are the latest Covid death percentages for those vaccinated vs. not vaccinated? Expand Obviously higher for unvaccinated. What does that have to do with you posting misleading vax mandate tweets related to Fox from the Lincoln Project? Edited September 17, 2021 by SCBills
TSOL Posted September 17, 2021 Posted September 17, 2021 On 9/17/2021 at 2:43 PM, SCBills said: Obviously higher for unvaccinated. What does that have to do with you posting misleading vax mandate tweets related to Fox from the Lincoln Project? Expand It is pointless to argue with these toilet paper hoarders 1
BillStime Posted September 17, 2021 Posted September 17, 2021 On 9/17/2021 at 2:43 PM, SCBills said: Obviously higher for unvaccinated. What does that have to do with you posting misleading vax mandate tweets related to Fox from the Lincoln Project? Expand How is not relevant? Vaccines save lives and Fox News internal operating protocols reflects that... v the misleading content they share on air that clearly resonate in your head. 1
SCBills Posted September 17, 2021 Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) On 9/17/2021 at 2:48 PM, BillStime said: How is not relevant? Vaccines save lives and Fox News internal operating protocols reflects that... v the misleading content they share on air that clearly resonate in your head. Expand “Mandates save lives - even at Fox” is the tweet from LP. Except Fox isn’t mandating the vaccine. Im pretty sure you’re playing a character, but if you truly do have opinions in real life, I’d highly suggest finding new content to reference. You are the mark these grifters depend on for relevancy. There are legitimate progressives on Twitter that more align with your views (Krystal Ball, Saager Enjati etc) without being child predators or Bush era GOP ops. Edited September 17, 2021 by SCBills 1
BillStime Posted September 17, 2021 Posted September 17, 2021 On 9/17/2021 at 2:53 PM, SCBills said: “Mandates save lives - even at Fox” is the tweet from LP. Except Fox isn’t mandating the vaccine. Im pretty sure you’re playing a character, but if you truly do have opinions in real life, I’d highly suggest finding new content to reference. You are the mark these grifters depend on for relevancy. There are legitimate progressives on Twitter that more align with your views (Krystal Ball, Saager Enjati etc) without being child predators or Bush era GOP ops. Expand I'm sorry you don't like my content - you can always choose to ignore me or better yet - migrate to the safe place with the other Trumpys here who can only handle sugar coated Trump news.
Big Gun Posted September 17, 2021 Posted September 17, 2021 On 9/17/2021 at 2:48 PM, BillStime said: How is not relevant? Vaccines save lives and Fox News internal operating protocols reflects that... v the misleading content they share on air that clearly resonate in your head. Expand Hey dummie, watch this......... https://www.bitchute.com/video/gigUyK3yLtMU/
BillStime Posted September 17, 2021 Posted September 17, 2021 On 9/17/2021 at 3:18 PM, Big Gun said: Hey dummie, watch this......... https://www.bitchute.com/video/gigUyK3yLtMU/ Expand So the vaccine killed everyone in January... so why didn't it continue to kill everyone in Feb, March, and April, etc? Also, why doesn't John substantiate his arguments with names of doctors/nurses he references? John IS a loonie... and of course this video is circulating heavily in the far right disinformation sphere.
Westside Posted September 17, 2021 Posted September 17, 2021 On 9/17/2021 at 11:31 AM, oldmanfan said: You can use a historical control group of what the incidence of different conditions was prior to Covid and vaccinations. Now, as to long term effects: Historically the incidence of "long term" effects pf vaccines shows very, very minimal effects seen. The two that are most mentioned are Guillan-Barre syndrome and one time when there was something with polio. As for the GB events, GB syndrome is associated with viral infections and studies show that vaccination might raise the incidence by 1-2 cases per million vaccinations. The polio one was where a non-attenuated or inactivated virus got put into the vaccine pool. These kinds of adverse events were found within weeks, not years. The history of vaccination is clear in that there are no side effects seen years and years down the road. The Covid vaccines have been out there for months now and billi0ns delivered around the world. That data, as well as the clinical studies data done to get EUA and for Pfizer FDA approval, show minimal serious adverse effects, the most prominent the myocarditis and blood clots issues. That these very rare events (on the order of a handful per million vaccinations) were picked up shows the robustness of the monitoring systems used for the Covid vaccines. I know you will bring up the VAERS reporting system, so let's put that to bed now. The VAERS system is a voluntary reporting system where anyone who has received a vaccine can post a side effect. As for deaths, health care providers have to report any deaths from anyone who has received any sort of vaccination. With respect to Covid, they are reported (And one wonders whether false reports are filed by anti-vax individuals), and these reports then are required to have follow up by the CDC and FDA where case reports, death certificates and such are analyzed. When that follow-up has been done, there are extremely rare cases where it appears the vaccine may have directly contibuted to death. So bottom line is this: there is no data to support either the claim that there are long term side effects of the vaccines, nor is there data to support the contention that so many people are dying from vaccination. That is the science, that is the data, that is not the conspiracy nonsense being thrown around on social media. Expand Another top leader of the bidet cult On 9/17/2021 at 2:53 PM, SCBills said: “Mandates save lives - even at Fox” is the tweet from LP. Except Fox isn’t mandating the vaccine. Im pretty sure you’re playing a character, but if you truly do have opinions in real life, I’d highly suggest finding new content to reference. You are the mark these grifters depend on for relevancy. There are legitimate progressives on Twitter that more align with your views (Krystal Ball, Saager Enjati etc) without being child predators or Bush era GOP ops. Expand He has to be paid, no one is that stupid for free
Sundancer Posted September 17, 2021 Posted September 17, 2021 On 9/17/2021 at 12:51 PM, All_Pro_Bills said: Really? I thought I articulated our current dilemma perfectly. And its not that simple. Is it? Not when uninformed officials are making unilateral decisions on health issues which conflict with known science and ignore facts that conflict with their edicts. I'm not concerned nor do I care about their motivations at this point. They are simply incapable of getting the job done and need to be replaced with people driven to make decisions with facts and science. Why is it so difficult to see and accept that we're heading down a path to failure without change in direction? Expand Following your doctor’s advice is too complicated. You know better. Got it.
oldmanfan Posted September 17, 2021 Posted September 17, 2021 On 9/17/2021 at 4:45 PM, Bidens_basement said: Another top leader of the bidet cult He has to be paid, no one is that stupid for free Expand No a scientist with 40 years experience in research, clinical care, and who sits on an actual FDA advisory panel. Folks like you who have turned a public health crisis into a political football have killed people.
oldmanfan Posted September 17, 2021 Posted September 17, 2021 On 9/17/2021 at 5:45 PM, B-Man said: "Fools like you" Expand The public was given a chance to be responsible. Too many chose to be idiots.
SCBills Posted September 17, 2021 Posted September 17, 2021 On 9/17/2021 at 5:39 PM, oldmanfan said: No a scientist with 40 years experience in research, clinical care, and who sits on an actual FDA advisory panel. Folks like you who have turned a public health crisis into a political football have killed people. Expand Two FDA officials resigned over Biden’s handling of boosters. Should we trust their judgment? Many scientists say natural immunity is stronger than vaccination. Should we trust their judgment? Many scientists say there’s no reason to mask children. Should we trust their judgment? Problem is, both sides believe their science is the correct science. You don’t have a monopoly on correct science. 1 1
Sundancer Posted September 17, 2021 Posted September 17, 2021 On 9/17/2021 at 5:48 PM, SCBills said: Two FDA officials resigned over Biden’s handling of boosters. Should we trust their judgment? Many scientists say natural immunity is stronger than vaccination. Should we trust their judgment? Many scientists say there’s no reason to mask children. Should we trust their judgment? Problem is, both sides believe their science is the correct science. You don’t have a monopoly on correct science. Expand What does your doctor say?
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