It's Time to Mandate Vaccines

[Sundancer]

6 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

How is she not fired!!!!!   She lifted the masks (gasp!!) for summer vacation when Delta was everywhere.  Then put them on to give cover for the NEA.

 

 

Now this to me is the biggest bungle of the whole sham - someone who knows the virus and Delta and the vaccines @Doc Brown and others please clarify this.  

 

Why are they saying that the vaccinated can spread it and this is the justification for putting the masks on ------ but isn't breakthrough infections rare???

 

This is what they've said.  Rare.  Now is she saying we don't know?  The most damaging thing it's doing is telling people the vaccines don't stop the spread so whatever.  I took it to "get my life back" and now you're saying nope.  Not the case.  

 

 

 

No child death stories you want to doubt happened today sh-t stain?

 

Maybe you’ll get lucky tomorrow. 

[Doc Brown]

6 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

How is she not fired!!!!!   She lifted the masks (gasp!!) for summer vacation when Delta was everywhere.  Then put them on to give cover for the NEA.

 

 

Now this to me is the biggest bungle of the whole sham - someone who knows the virus and Delta and the vaccines @Doc Brown and others please clarify this.  

 

Why are they saying that the vaccinated can spread it and this is the justification for putting the masks on ------ but isn't breakthrough infections rare???

 

This is what they've said.  Rare.  Now is she saying we don't know?  The most damaging thing it's doing is telling people the vaccines don't stop the spread so whatever.  I took it to "get my life back" and now you're saying nope.  Not the case.  

 

 

 

To your first point, I disagree in mask mandates whatsoever at this point.  If you're at risk get the vaccine.  If you're immunocompromised buy a N95 mask because cloth masks aren't very effective based off the data I've read.

 

To your second point, it's a hell of an immunization considering above 99% of Covid deaths were people that weren't fully vaccinated. 

[Chef Jim]

8 hours ago, BillStime said:

ok Insurection Jim…

 

And gth - if you cared about death you wouldn’t be cheering on gun violence.

 

 

 

Yup, I cheer on hun violence!   🙄
 

You on the other hand however, actually do cheer in the death of strangers.   😡

[Chef Jim]

4 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

My favorite moniker I've seen for you so far is Chef JimBoyArDee.  That was funny but I don't remember who used it.

I vaguely remember that. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

11 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Plus, it seems that the country may have herd immunity from the original Covid 19, as it is the Delta variant that is going around now...but, based on reports, the Vaccine does not appear to protect people as well against Delta- which makes it curious why people would want to mandate it now- if your following the science...

Not to attack you but of the adult population over the age of 30 we have absolutely hit herd immunity. We are likely in the 95+% of people with antibodies naturally or through vaccine.  Anyone who requires over 80% for her immunity is being unrealistic.

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

Yup, I cheer on hun violence!   🙄
 

You on the other hand however, actually do cheer in the death of strangers.   😡

Not cheering on anything - just highlighting their choice to commit suicide.

[JaCrispy]

39 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Not to attack you but of the adult population over the age of 30 we have absolutely hit herd immunity. We are likely in the 95+% of people with antibodies naturally or through vaccine.  Anyone who requires over 80% for her immunity is being unrealistic.

I would agree with this...

[Big Blitz]

10 hours ago, Sundancer said:

No child death stories you want to doubt happened today sh-t stain?

 

Maybe you’ll get lucky tomorrow. 

 

Actually yes......I'm going to cast doubt on what the media is shamefully doing to this country........but you won't have any clue why I'm sharing......you'll think I'm "exploiting" something something.  I'm just bringing logic......I hope you understand the Delta or Covid hysteria for our kids has never been rational.  We had far more covid cases and far less death.  Far less swine flu cases and far more death.  No schools mandated masks.  

 

 

 

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - H1N1 swine flu has killed as many as 17,000 Americans, including 1,800 children, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported on Friday.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flu-usa-idUSN1223579720100212

 

 

 

 

 

1 year of swine flu:  1200 kids died.  Tragic.

 

16 months of Covid:  332

Edited August 8, 2021 by Big Blitz

[plenzmd1]

13 hours ago, Sundancer said:

No child death stories you want to doubt happened today sh-t stain?

 

Maybe you’ll get lucky tomorrow. 

You are dumb 

[SCBills]

4 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Actually yes......I'm going to cast doubt on what the media is shamefully doing to this country........but you won't have any clue why I'm sharing......you'll think I'm "exploiting" something something.  I'm just bringing logic......I hope you understand the Delta or Covid hysteria for our kids has never been rational.  We had far more covid cases and far less death.  Far less swine flu cases and far more death.  No schools mandated masks.  

 

 

 

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - H1N1 swine flu has killed as many as 17,000 Americans, including 1,800 children, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported on Friday.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flu-usa-idUSN1223579720100212

 

 

 

 

 

1 year of swine flu:  1200 kids died.  Tragic.

 

16 months of Covid:  332

So sad to click on that tweet and read the responses.   Filled with the typical “what if….” commentary from the fear porn crowd that wants to live in terror of hypotheticals… hypotheticals that throughout the pandemic, never seem to come to fruition. 
 

 

Edited August 8, 2021 by SCBills

[Chef Jim]

12 hours ago, BillStime said:

Not cheering on anything - just highlighting their choice to commit suicide.

No you’re cheering them on. You’re a putz of the highest order.  

[SCBills]

How is there no push back on this absurd statement!?   
 

People die from the flu every year..  People die from heart disease, cancer, stroke caused by personal decisions every day.  
 

Yet this virus, which we now have under control in terms of people dying and getting seriously ill… this virus is the hill we issue authoritarian edicts on!?  
 

I have no patience for these fascists anymore. 

 

 

Edited August 8, 2021 by SCBills

[Sundancer]

3 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

You are dumb 

You don’t even understand what’s happening. 

6 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Actually yes......I'm going to cast doubt on what the media is shamefully doing to this country........but you won't have any clue why I'm sharing......you'll think I'm "exploiting" something something.  I'm just bringing logic......I hope you understand the Delta or Covid hysteria for our kids has never been rational.  We had far more covid cases and far less death.  Far less swine flu cases and far more death.  No schools mandated masks.  

 

 

 

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - H1N1 swine flu has killed as many as 17,000 Americans, including 1,800 children, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported on Friday.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-flu-usa-idUSN1223579720100212

 

 

 

 

 

1 year of swine flu:  1200 kids died.  Tragic.

 

16 months of Covid:  332

You keep evading what you did but ill

keep bringing you back to it. 
 

You rushed here without the facts about a child death to make a political point and questioned both when the kid died and whether the child was a child…all to make some political point on a message board. 
 

Turns out the kid had died the day before and she was indeed a child. 
 

But you gleefully scored your “point” within hours of the child’s death. And double and triple down on it. 
 

Piece of filth. 

Edited August 8, 2021 by Sundancer

[The Frankish Reich]

A little historical perspective - while this is a Wash Post opinion, the writer, Megan McArdle, is their resident libertarian, and more of a right-libertarian. So this is no wild "liberal" perspective. Example: her opinion piece today is in opposition to the unlawful expansion of the eviction moratorium. So please address the argument, not the publisher.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/03/where-conservatives-arguments-about-public-health-mandates-go-wrong/

 

Back when this country was founded, our population was routinely ravaged by disease: waterborne illnesses such as typhoid, polio and cholera; mosquito-borne illnesses such as malaria and yellow fever; bacterial infections including staph, strep and tuberculosis; and airborne viral infections such as measles and mumps. Our ancestors used the power of the law to contain those threats, at least partially.

One by one, however, those diseases were neutralized through great public works projects of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and then through medical advances in vaccines and antibiotics. Thanks to them, almost no living Americans worry as much about infectious disease as their ancestors. Yet even so, we haven’t entirely given up on restrictive interventions: Tuberculosis patients who don’t comply with treatment can be, and are, forcibly isolated until they complete a lengthy and unpleasant drug regimen. In 20 years around the libertarian and conservative movements, I cannot recall ever hearing anyone denounce this practice.

A vaccine passport would of course affect more people, which makes it feel more intrusive, even though in principle it is less so: You don’t have to get a vaccine in New York; you just can’t dine indoors without one. And it’s understandable that conservatives tend to think of their old existence as the natural state of affairs. But it’s actually highly abnormal — and since the outbreak of covid-19 has pushed us a little closer toward the historical “normal,” arguably our willingness to infringe on personal liberty should get more “normal” too.

[Chef Jim]

7 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

A little historical perspective - while this is a Wash Post opinion, the writer, Megan McArdle, is their resident libertarian, and more of a right-libertarian. So this is no wild "liberal" perspective. Example: her opinion piece today is in opposition to the unlawful expansion of the eviction moratorium. So please address the argument, not the publisher.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/03/where-conservatives-arguments-about-public-health-mandates-go-wrong/

 

Back when this country was founded, our population was routinely ravaged by disease: waterborne illnesses such as typhoid, polio and cholera; mosquito-borne illnesses such as malaria and yellow fever; bacterial infections including staph, strep and tuberculosis; and airborne viral infections such as measles and mumps. Our ancestors used the power of the law to contain those threats, at least partially.

One by one, however, those diseases were neutralized through great public works projects of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and then through medical advances in vaccines and antibiotics. Thanks to them, almost no living Americans worry as much about infectious disease as their ancestors. Yet even so, we haven’t entirely given up on restrictive interventions: Tuberculosis patients who don’t comply with treatment can be, and are, forcibly isolated until they complete a lengthy and unpleasant drug regimen. In 20 years around the libertarian and conservative movements, I cannot recall ever hearing anyone denounce this practice.

A vaccine passport would of course affect more people, which makes it feel more intrusive, even though in principle it is less so: You don’t have to get a vaccine in New York; you just can’t dine indoors without one. And it’s understandable that conservatives tend to think of their old existence as the natural state of affairs. But it’s actually highly abnormal — and since the outbreak of covid-19 has pushed us a little closer toward the historical “normal,” arguably our willingness to infringe on personal liberty should get more “normal” too.

Funny how just a few words can make dismiss a whole diatribe. 

[Big Blitz]

28 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

You don’t even understand what’s happening. 

You keep evading what you did but ill

keep bringing you back to it. 

 

No I'm not.  I know exactly what my point was.  

 

 

 

28 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

You rushed here without the facts about a child death to make a political point and questioned both when the kid died and whether the child was a child…all to make some political point on a message board. 

 

What point?  I had all the facts about the fear porn highlighted for you. 

 

 

28 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

Turns out the kid had died the day before and she was indeed a child. 
 

But you gleefully scored your “point” within hours of the child’s death. And double and triple down on it. 
 

Piece of filth. 

 

Causes of death are always filed from Covid weeks prior to their official report to the State. 

 

And it was not hours - I don't know where you got your information from but she died July 30th; the story was posted August 5th - she was 17. 

 

While tragic, there is a lot here that needs to be clarified.  Why was she at home and not at a hospital?  Medical examiner said she had Covid?  Sorry but considering all the ways we've labeled Covid deaths if this one doesn't leave you with a few questions then I don't know what to tell you. 

 

Unexpectedly?  

 

 

 

NORFOLK, Va. — Family members of a girl who lived in Tidewater Gardens said she died from COVID-19 complications on Friday, July 30.

 

Relatives of Schwanda Corprew said her death was the one reported by the Virginia Department of Health on Thursday.

Schwanda had complained of headaches and some body aches last week, then she unexpectedly passed away at home. According to family, a medical examiner confirmed it was from COVID-19 complications.

 

https://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/virginia-covid-19-child-death-eastern-region-vdh/291-101532ad-8db7-49e9-af88-d5af2af91000

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

12 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

A little historical perspective - while this is a Wash Post opinion, the writer, Megan McArdle, is their resident libertarian, and more of a right-libertarian. So this is no wild "liberal" perspective. Example: her opinion piece today is in opposition to the unlawful expansion of the eviction moratorium. So please address the argument, not the publisher.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/03/where-conservatives-arguments-about-public-health-mandates-go-wrong/

 

Back when this country was founded, our population was routinely ravaged by disease: waterborne illnesses such as typhoid, polio and cholera; mosquito-borne illnesses such as malaria and yellow fever; bacterial infections including staph, strep and tuberculosis; and airborne viral infections such as measles and mumps. Our ancestors used the power of the law to contain those threats, at least partially.

One by one, however, those diseases were neutralized through great public works projects of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and then through medical advances in vaccines and antibiotics. Thanks to them, almost no living Americans worry as much about infectious disease as their ancestors. Yet even so, we haven’t entirely given up on restrictive interventions: Tuberculosis patients who don’t comply with treatment can be, and are, forcibly isolated until they complete a lengthy and unpleasant drug regimen. In 20 years around the libertarian and conservative movements, I cannot recall ever hearing anyone denounce this practice.

A vaccine passport would of course affect more people, which makes it feel more intrusive, even though in principle it is less so: You don’t have to get a vaccine in New York; you just can’t dine indoors without one. And it’s understandable that conservatives tend to think of their old existence as the natural state of affairs. But it’s actually highly abnormal — and since the outbreak of covid-19 has pushed us a little closer toward the historical “normal,” arguably our willingness to infringe on personal liberty should get more “normal” too.

I saw a recent interview of CDC director Walensky with CNN's Wolf Blitzer.  She said with Delta a vaccinated asymptomatic person can carry the same viral load as an unvaccinated asymptomatic person.  This means the vaccinated and unvaccinated person presents the same exact level of risk to others. 

So if the only difference is the risk assumed by the individual that is unvaccinated vs. the vaccinated person but the risk both pose to others is equal then what's the point of vaccine passports and discriminatory polices?  As the vaccine protects the vaccinated person but presents no protection to anyone else in the presence of the vaccinated individual.  As its possible for all the vaccinated people to pass the infection to others, all the assumptions behind these polices are false.  Which means is as long as your vaccinated that's all you need to worry about.  Per the CDC. 

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I saw a recent interview of CDC director Walensky with CNN's Wolf Blitzer.  She said with Delta a vaccinated asymptomatic person can carry the same viral load as an unvaccinated asymptomatic person.  This means the vaccinated and unvaccinated person presents the same exact level of risk to others. 

So if the only difference is the risk assumed by the individual that is unvaccinated vs. the vaccinated person but the risk both pose to others is equal then what's the point of vaccine passports and discriminatory polices?  As the vaccine protects the vaccinated person but presents no protection to anyone else in the presence of the vaccinated individual.  As its possible for all the vaccinated people to pass the infection to others, all the assumptions behind these polices are false.  Which means is as long as your vaccinated that's all you need to worry about.  Per the CDC. 

And as viruses mutate and often require boosters what good it a passport for the original, possibly no longer effective, vaccine? 

[LeviF]

15 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

And as viruses mutate and often require boosters what good it a passport for the original, possibly no longer effective, vaccine? 

“I’m sorry sir, you haven’t gotten your 11th booster and we don’t sell bread to racists.”

[Chef Jim]

23 minutes ago, LeviF said:

“I’m sorry sir, you haven’t gotten your 11th booster and we don’t sell bread to racists.”

The passports will start looking like CVS receipts. 🙄