Governor Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Hard to poll? What you mean is the process of selecting the write balance gives you the wrong outcome so you poll who you need to get the "right" answer. No. Many states like Nevada, Illinois, Wyoming, Iowa, Wisconsin, etc. don’t do a lot of polling so you’re going off of an outdated poll. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/31/upshot/why-this-is-the-iowa-poll-that-everyones-waiting-for.html Edited July 18, 2021 by Governor
Doc Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Governor said: I don’t think you’re following our conversation. Kamala isn’t going to be the nomination so you guys should get that out of your heads. If she isn't, it's going to be a shitshow for the Dems. 1
Governor Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Doc said: If she isn't, it's going to be a shitshow for the Dems. I can think of 4 or 5 that would be much better than Harris. I would even take Stacey Abrams over Harris. 1
Doc Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 Just now, Governor said: I can think of 4 or 5 that would be much better than Harris. I would even take Stacey Abrams over Harris. She has no chance either. But it doesn't matter who they pick instead. The optics of replacing the first not only female but black VP will be really poor.
Governor Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, Doc said: She has no chance either. But it doesn't matter who they pick instead. The optics of replacing the first not only female but black VP will be really poor. She will run but she’ll lose. If Trump runs then Biden runs. If he doesn’t, Newsom runs. 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 49 minutes ago, Governor said: No. Many states like Nevada, Illinois, Wyoming, Iowa, Wisconsin, etc. don’t do a lot of polling so you’re going off of an outdated poll. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/31/upshot/why-this-is-the-iowa-poll-that-everyones-waiting-for.html Ya moved the goal post again, all those states we know which way they go. Nothing to do with difficulty of polling
Governor Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Ya moved the goal post again, all those states we know which way they go. Nothing to do with difficulty of polling The polling was good and you lost. Not sure why that’s so difficult for you guys. We expanded the map and Trump didn’t. NC flips blue next time. 1
SCBills Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, Governor said: The polling was good and you lost. Not sure why that’s so difficult for you guys. We expanded the map and Trump didn’t. NC flips blue next time. Only way NC flips blue is if Trump runs, maybe. We can rehash as we get closer, but I’d be willing to bet that not only does NC stay red, but Georgia and AZ flip back red…. Even if it’s Trump.
John Adams Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 4 cases prosecuted in AZ so far. 2 D, 2R. Now we’re cooking with gas. 2016 called and wonders where Trump’s claims that his lawsuits would show that he won the popular vote are. 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 8 hours ago, Governor said: The polling was good and you lost. Not sure why that’s so difficult for you guys. We expanded the map and Trump didn’t. NC flips blue next time. Polling was the discussion and you found one outlier to prove your point. 538 combines all the large polls and showed you were wrong. 1
Governor Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, SCBills said: Only way NC flips blue is if Trump runs, maybe. We can rehash as we get closer, but I’d be willing to bet that not only does NC stay red, but Georgia and AZ flip back red…. Even if it’s Trump. I have no idea what’s truly going on in Georgia. I freaked out when Biden pulled resources from NC. It was ready to flip last time. That could’ve had something to do with how awful Cunningham was as a candidate. I would like to hear an explanation on that some day. Keep an eye on Governor Cooper. If he ran, he would carry that state easily. Arizona I would assume will go back red unless it’s Trump. 37 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Polling was the discussion and you found one outlier to prove your point. 538 combines all the large polls and showed you were wrong. What was it you were trying to prove me wrong about again? https://scottrasmussen.com/the-polls-werent-wrong-in-2016-but-the-analysis-of-the-polls-was-horrible/ Edited July 18, 2021 by Governor
oldmanfan Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 16 minutes ago, Governor said: I have no idea what’s truly going on in Georgia. I freaked out when Biden pulled resources from NC. It was ready to flip last time. That could’ve had something to do with how awful Cunningham was as a candidate. I would like to hear an explanation on that some day. Keep an eye on Governor Cooper. If he ran, he would carry that state easily. Arizona I would assume will go back red unless it’s Trump. What was it you were trying to prove me wrong about again? Arizona will stay blue given the inanity of the Trumpist party there. I saw a statistic yesterday that about 15.000 registered Republicans have so far left the party due to the nonsense going on there. And NC would have elected a Democratic senator had Cunningham kept it in his pants. It is amusing and somewhat sad to watch the party I used to belong to implode. And equally sad that so many in this country have chosen to be a lap dog to a huckster and con man. Under Trump the former Republican (now Trumpist) party lost the White House, the Senate, and the House. And for some bizarre reason they seem to think the way back to prominence is to double down on a bad bet. Watch the 2022 midterm. While historically the party out of the White House picks up seats, the Trumpist party is going to nominate people that are going to make former mistakes like Mourdoch in Indiana or Akin in Missouri look like choir boys. And while that may animate the Trumpist base, it will also animate Democrats to do what they did in 2020 to be sure they don't have nut cases elected. And moderates and Independents like myself are never going to vote for these kind of Trumpist crazies. The only chance some of these folks will have is if the state legislatures start overthrowing results of valid elections, and if that happens there will be riots that will dwarf anything seen in modern times. 1
Governor Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Arizona will stay blue given the inanity of the Trumpist party there. I saw a statistic yesterday that about 15.000 registered Republicans have so far left the party due to the nonsense going on there. And NC would have elected a Democratic senator had Cunningham kept it in his pants. It is amusing and somewhat sad to watch the party I used to belong to implode. And equally sad that so many in this country have chosen to be a lap dog to a huckster and con man. Under Trump the former Republican (now Trumpist) party lost the White House, the Senate, and the House. And for some bizarre reason they seem to think the way back to prominence is to double down on a bad bet. Watch the 2022 midterm. While historically the party out of the White House picks up seats, the Trumpist party is going to nominate people that are going to make former mistakes like Mourdoch in Indiana or Akin in Missouri look like choir boys. And while that may animate the Trumpist base, it will also animate Democrats to do what they did in 2020 to be sure they don't have nut cases elected. And moderates and Independents like myself are never going to vote for these kind of Trumpist crazies. The only chance some of these folks will have is if the state legislatures start overthrowing results of valid elections, and if that happens there will be riots that will dwarf anything seen in modern times. I agree. I’m not seeing this red wave coming at all. The senate looks pretty safe to me and while everyone is fixated on the seats R’s can take back with gerrymandering, there’s also some seats Dems can actually take in other places. It’s going to be very close. What Trump did in Georgia was absolutely incredible. He lost BOTH of those senate seats all by himself. He won’t be finished until he destroys the entire party. Edited July 18, 2021 by Governor 1
oldmanfan Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: Arizona will stay blue given the inanity of the Trumpist party there. I saw a statistic yesterday that about 15.000 registered Republicans have so far left the party due to the nonsense going on there. And NC would have elected a Democratic senator had Cunningham kept it in his pants. It is amusing and somewhat sad to watch the party I used to belong to implode. And equally sad that so many in this country have chosen to be a lap dog to a huckster and con man. Under Trump the former Republican (now Trumpist) party lost the White House, the Senate, and the House. And for some bizarre reason they seem to think the way back to prominence is to double down on a bad bet. Watch the 2022 midterm. While historically the party out of the White House picks up seats, the Trumpist party is going to nominate people that are going to make former mistakes like Mourdoch in Indiana or Akin in Missouri look like choir boys. And while that may animate the Trumpist base, it will also animate Democrats to do what they did in 2020 to be sure they don't have nut cases elected. And moderates and Independents like myself are never going to vote for these kind of Trumpist crazies. The only chance some of these folks will have is if the state legislatures start overthrowing results of valid elections, and if that happens there will be riots that will dwarf anything seen in modern times. Biden’s Basement doesn’t like this. Well, here the reality friend. There is no way you and the far right wing Trumpists ever control this country. If the Democrats had run anyone other than Hillary in 2016 Trumpism never would have occurred. And the same for the far left wing kooks. This country is still composed primarily of centrist type people. Conservative on some issues, more liberal on others. So go ahead and continue bowing down to Trump. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result. He’ll lose elections for you again, you can continue to howl at the moon, and the country will move on. Enjoy your fantasy. 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 26 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Biden’s Basement doesn’t like this. Well, here the reality friend. There is no way you and the far right wing Trumpists ever control this country. If the Democrats had run anyone other than Hillary in 2016 Trumpism never would have occurred. And the same for the far left wing kooks. This country is still composed primarily of centrist type people. Conservative on some issues, more liberal on others. So go ahead and continue bowing down to Trump. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result. He’ll lose elections for you again, you can continue to howl at the moon, and the country will move on. Enjoy your fantasy. I don't think Trump will run again or even be relevant in 2024 but the Democrats can't allow a group of small ultra-left fringe elements inside the party control the entire national agenda. Because if that continues I suggest this union of 50 States will not hold together for much longer. 1
oldmanfan Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 1 minute ago, All_Pro_Bills said: I don't think Trump will run again or even be relevant in 2024 but the Democrats can't allow a group of small ultra-left fringe elements inside the party control the entire national agenda. Because if that continues I suggest this union of 50 States will not hold together for much longer. I agree.
Chef Jim Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 10 hours ago, Governor said: She will run but she’ll lose. If Trump runs then Biden runs. If he doesn’t, Newsom runs. Newsom? Yes please.
Doc Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 11 hours ago, Governor said: She will run but she’ll lose. If Trump runs then Biden runs. If he doesn’t, Newsom runs. Biden isn't running again. He never wanted to do it in the first place and he'll be a drooling vegetable in 2 years time. And Newsome probably won't survive his Guv recall. He also has no chance.
Orlando Buffalo Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Governor said: What was it you were trying to prove me wrong about again? https://scottrasmussen.com/the-polls-werent-wrong-in-2016-but-the-analysis-of-the-polls-was-horrible/ I pointed out the polling was used and manipulated to reinforce the narrative they wanted not used to show what was happening. I appreciate you finding that to prove my point for me.
SCBills Posted July 18, 2021 Posted July 18, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Governor said: I have no idea what’s truly going on in Georgia. I freaked out when Biden pulled resources from NC. It was ready to flip last time. That could’ve had something to do with how awful Cunningham was as a candidate. I would like to hear an explanation on that some day. Keep an eye on Governor Cooper. If he ran, he would carry that state easily. Arizona I would assume will go back red unless it’s Trump. What was it you were trying to prove me wrong about again? https://scottrasmussen.com/the-polls-werent-wrong-in-2016-but-the-analysis-of-the-polls-was-horrible/ I live in Georgia, credit to Biden for going for it here, but Republicans lost the state (Pres/Senate) more than Dems won it. The state is purplish, like Arizona, but leans red. Lots of suburban R’s outside Atlanta who were turned off by Trump, voted Biden. I doubt that happens again, given how he’s governed. Then in the Senate Runoffs, Trump’s incessant whining about a stolen election led to an unprecedented amount of reliable rural R voters staying home. Both Perdue and Loeffler won on Election Night, they just didn’t reach the 50% margin needed to avoid runoff. They are also awful candidates… something R’s have been running for a long time now and getting away with due to the make up of the state. Interesting to see how the next election plays out, as black Trump supporting R’s are gaining traction in the state… Vernon Jones looking to primary Governor Kemp and Herschel Walker potentially taking on Warnock. Georgia likely flips back red next election for President, and I don’t think that Warnock retains his seat if R’s get their act together…. but Ossoff looks competent and when his time is up to run again, might be a tougher seat to flip back red. Edited July 18, 2021 by SCBills 1
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