Old German Woman Posted July 14, 2021 Posted July 14, 2021 I've lurked around TBD for a long time now and read a lot of the things on the PPP board. I've been amazed on how polarized posters are. It seems like there's an argument for every thing. That said, I'd be very interested to hear how you all see what America's future will be like. Do you think we're all f'd? Do you think we'll finally come together as a nation? What is your opinion on the future of this great country? I'm not judging anyone's opinion. In fact, I value what you all have to say.
ALF Posted July 14, 2021 Posted July 14, 2021 Trump seriously divided this country just like the Civil War did . The future is not good with extreme partisanship . 1 1 1
oldmanfan Posted July 14, 2021 Posted July 14, 2021 After the Trumpists lose the next two elections the actual Republican Party will return. They will then win because the Democrats will run too many far left nuts. So 10-15 years from now each party will realize that the country actually is a centrist nation, moderates from both parties will take office, and we will get back to how government was supposed to work. 1 1
JaCrispy Posted July 14, 2021 Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) 41 minutes ago, ALF said: Trump seriously divided this country just like the Civil War did . The future is not good with extreme partisanship . While Trump didn’t always help with his rhetoric, I don’t think the division was started by him...Trump was the symptom- a reaction to a divide that started taking place long before Trump got in office... When you have educators teaching that America is a bad place, that white people are the devil, and that blacks are condemned to an infinite future of oppression because they just aren’t good enough, that’s gonna divide some people...it’s very dark and not very encouraging, to say the least... I just don’t like the direction we are heading at all...I miss the 80s/90s...This “new normal” sucks! Edited July 14, 2021 by JaCrispy 4
ALF Posted July 14, 2021 Posted July 14, 2021 We need Statesmen and women who will do what's best for the whole country not political hacks. 1 2
Governor Posted July 14, 2021 Posted July 14, 2021 I’ve always believed that building high-speed rail throughout the country would do a lot to address the polarization in this country.
Governor Posted July 14, 2021 Posted July 14, 2021 36 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: While Trump didn’t always help with his rhetoric, I don’t think the division was started by him...Trump was the symptom- a reaction to a divide that started taking place long before Trump got in office... When you have educators teaching that America is a bad place, that white people are the devil, and that blacks are condemned to an infinite future of oppression because they just aren’t good enough, that’s gonna divide some people...it’s very dark and not very encouraging, to say the least... I just don’t like the direction we are heading at all... Trump stole Pat Buchanan’s campaign word for word. It always existed in the GOP but it remained on the fringe where it belonged. Ross Perot supporters. Tea party. It’s the same group of people. Nothing can really change until digital laws are put in place, public financing for elections is put in place, an updated version of the Fairness Doctrine is put in place, and the GOP does a complete rebuild. That all has to happen in the next 10 years.
ALF Posted July 14, 2021 Posted July 14, 2021 I was a very big Ross Perot supporter , I'm not fringe 🙂
All_Pro_Bills Posted July 14, 2021 Posted July 14, 2021 15 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Follow the Roman Empire history. I'm close to you on that. I think we're at a point in time where a lot of negative circumstances are converging. I've done a lot of reading and research on concepts like the cycles of history and the rise and fall of Empires. And make no mistake the US operates a world-wide Empire. But an Empire on the decline faced with a crisis cycle of social, economic, and political factors at a time when its primary source of energy is in on the back-end of the supply curve. There are three books that I think together describe the factors and the situations. Empire of Debt by Bonner & Wiggin The Fourth Turning by Strauss & Howe The Long Emergency by Kunstler My conclusion from all this research and observation of current events is that as a society we are doing exactly the wrong things at exactly the wrong time to address the critical problems we face and will face in the future. So expect things to get much worse in every way until the start to be better. Where it all ends up is a guess at this point. 1
Governor Posted July 14, 2021 Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Old German Woman said: I've lurked around TBD for a long time now and read a lot of the things on the PPP board. I've been amazed on how polarized posters are. It seems like there's an argument for every thing. That said, I'd be very interested to hear how you all see what America's future will be like. Do you think we're all f'd? Do you think we'll finally come together as a nation? What is your opinion on the future of this great country? I'm not judging anyone's opinion. In fact, I value what you all have to say. I can tell you this…..every R/D political consultant knew this was going to happen way back in 2002. We were all looking at the same data. Members of the Lincoln Project all knew what we knew at the time. We saw a party that was shrinking and were already seeing the effects that changing demographics were having on white people. What we couldn’t anticipate was the effect of social media and the fake news bubble that exists today. When Trump came down that escalator, the GOP was officially dead as a party. That was doing the opposite of what they had to do to survive as a party. Edited July 14, 2021 by Governor 1
ALF Posted July 14, 2021 Posted July 14, 2021 Hi Ova , old polish guy here from the east side near General Hospital . Known then as old Germantown , good people , good memories.
Orlando Buffalo Posted July 14, 2021 Posted July 14, 2021 It is surprising to me that a question on the future of our country still bring Trump as the main response, not the current president. I person think we will have a country that starts healing quickly because people who only get there news from the MSM are becoming less and less. I think those that use more sources will be more aware that 90% of Americans are good people and we will not allow the 10% hurt us further.
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted July 14, 2021 Posted July 14, 2021 53 minutes ago, Governor said: Trump stole Pat Buchanan’s campaign word for word. It always existed in the GOP but it remained on the fringe where it belonged. Ross Perot supporters. Tea party. It’s the same group of people. Nothing can really change until digital laws are put in place, public financing for elections is put in place, an updated version of the Fairness Doctrine is put in place, and the GOP does a complete rebuild. That all has to happen in the next 10 years. I'm not sure any of that is possible as long as our voting districts are grotesquely gerrymandered. 1
Governor Posted July 14, 2021 Posted July 14, 2021 1 minute ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said: I'm not sure any of that is possible as long as our voting districts are grotesquely gerrymandered. We have to start somewhere. The entire political system is broken. That’s how you end up with a Matt Gaetz.
oldmanfan Posted July 14, 2021 Posted July 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: It is surprising to me that a question on the future of our country still bring Trump as the main response, not the current president. I person think we will have a country that starts healing quickly because people who only get there news from the MSM are becoming less and less. I think those that use more sources will be more aware that 90% of Americans are good people and we will not allow the 10% hurt us further. Let's hope. I think the majority of this country has been and will always be moderate. We are letting the fringes of each party, the 10% you speak of, have far too much of a voice today. The reason people still keep talking about Trump are because: 1. he is still lurking about, suggesting he may run again, and 2. he has usurped the Republican party and made it into something Republican giants like Reagan and Baker and Dole and on and on would not recognize. The party now is all about bowing to him and his rabid supporters, despite the fact that the party lost the House, Senate, and White House under his tenure. One of the saddest things I have seen in a long time is the story today about Tennessee supposedly stopping vaccinations of all kinds for children, not just Covid. Out of fealty to the far right fringe, the state is basically saying we're OK with killing children. We live in an increasingly irrational world politically and socially, but at some point rational thought will take hold again when those in the middle refuse to stand for this crap (both from the far reaches left and right) anymore. 1 1 1
Westside Posted July 14, 2021 Posted July 14, 2021 20 minutes ago, Governor said: We have to start somewhere. The entire political system is broken. That’s how you end up with a Matt Gaetz. Or an AOC 2 1
Wacka Posted July 14, 2021 Posted July 14, 2021 2 hours ago, JaCrispy said: When you have educators teaching that America is a bad place, that white people are the devil, and that blacks are condemned to an infinite future of oppression because they just aren’t good enough, that’s gonna divide some people...it’s very dark and not very encouraging, to say the least... Sounds to me that they hate everybody including themselves. 1
ALF Posted July 14, 2021 Posted July 14, 2021 24 minutes ago, Bidens_basement said: Or an AOC Or M. Greene , Lauren Boebert , Paul Gosar , Jim Jordan , Mo Brooks etc 1
Westside Posted July 14, 2021 Posted July 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, ALF said: Or M. Greene , Lauren Boebert , Paul Gosar , Jim Jordan , Mo Brooks etc I just found it hilarious that the people you think are the problem with this country is a republican. You’re the reason this country is so divided. Open your eyes to the traitors of this country on BOTH sides of the aisle.
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