Dr.Sack Posted July 15, 2023 Posted July 15, 2023 54 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: He should win based on this alone DeSantis entire campaign is based on trying to Out-Trump the Donald. I’m not convinced softball forums will prove how good he is. Let’s wait for the debate stage when the haymakers start flying.
Big Blitz Posted July 15, 2023 Posted July 15, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: DeSantis entire campaign is based on trying to Out-Trump the Donald. I’m not convinced softball forums will prove how good he is. Let’s wait for the debate stage when the haymakers start flying. “He gets results and has been a successful chief executive…..he knows all the issues…..he fights……….but his campaign sucks he isn’t Trump.” You should stay home Cerno - style is more important then substance and results now? Trump - 2 years with GOP control of DC. We got the SCOTUS. Huge absolutely. His greatest legacy. What else? Was MAGA implemented? Did we purge the Deep State? How did 2018 go? Now Trump is somehow going to be able to do these things as a lame duck president and an unknown makeup of Congress. Yea. Again, that’s reason enough alone to move on. DeSantis - razor thin win in 2018 - manages to implement most every significant MAGA policy in Florida and wins majorities in the legislature while doing so. Time to move on Cerno. If DeSantis actual resume and results aren’t good enough then no one is. And you bet your **s his Covid policies are what matters most. Never forget that. Ever. Because it reveals much more about the man then any fancy ad or slogan or tweet ever will. Edited July 15, 2023 by Big Blitz 1
Doc Posted July 15, 2023 Posted July 15, 2023 6 hours ago, Big Blitz said: “He gets results and has been a successful chief executive…..he knows all the issues…..he fights……….but his campaign sucks he isn’t Trump.” You should stay home Cerno - style is more important then substance and results now? Trump - 2 years with GOP control of DC. We got the SCOTUS. Huge absolutely. His greatest legacy. What else? Was MAGA implemented? Did we purge the Deep State? How did 2018 go? Now Trump is somehow going to be able to do these things as a lame duck president and an unknown makeup of Congress. Yea. Again, that’s reason enough alone to move on. DeSantis - razor thin win in 2018 - manages to implement most every significant MAGA policy in Florida and wins majorities in the legislature while doing so. Time to move on Cerno. If DeSantis actual resume and results aren’t good enough then no one is. And you bet your **s his Covid policies are what matters most. Never forget that. Ever. Because it reveals much more about the man then any fancy ad or slogan or tweet ever will. It's interesting to see. "Trump is an arrogant, lying #######!" and then "DeSantis doesn't have Trump's personality!" 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted July 15, 2023 Posted July 15, 2023 On 7/12/2023 at 9:16 PM, BillStime said: Putin love fest continues Good to know you are for cluster bomb usage, we called Russia war criminals for using them but that seems to be right in line for you, politics over morals. https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/cluster-bombs-ukraine-biden-congress/
Tiberius Posted July 15, 2023 Author Posted July 15, 2023 On 7/12/2023 at 9:16 PM, BillStime said: Putin love fest continues DeSantis is just a POS 1 minute ago, Orlando Tim said: Good to know you are for cluster bomb usage, we called Russia war criminals for using them but that seems to be right in line for you, politics over morals. https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/cluster-bombs-ukraine-biden-congress/ They literally used them on civilian areas, Ukraine will use them against the occupiers
The Frankish Reich Posted July 15, 2023 Posted July 15, 2023 Every day I am astounded by this new "Republican Party." It is like an old classic rock band that has lost all its original members, now touring as The New Ramones or something. So we will not sell weapons to a country if it could "escalate" a war. Does that apply if the de-escalation involves allowing the aggressor to simply win outright and then declare a peace? Does it apply to selling arms to Israel or Our Friends the Saudis and their never-ending proxy wars against Iran? Does it apply to South Korea? Maybe we should just let a Peace of The New Millennium to descend upon them under the leadership of their very strong, very shrewd leader. I guess I could understand some kind of Kissinger type justification, some geopolitical realpolitik defense of keeping out of certain conflicts that don't impact our direct interests. But this "we will bend over and take it" justification is to advocate for a weak America on the world stage. Ladies and Gentlemen, I bring you "The New Republicans," not to be confused with any prior use of the term "Republican."
JaCrispy Posted July 15, 2023 Posted July 15, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Every day I am astounded by this new "Republican Party." It is like an old classic rock band that has lost all its original members, now touring as The New Ramones or something. So we will not sell weapons to a country if it could "escalate" a war. Does that apply if the de-escalation involves allowing the aggressor to simply win outright and then declare a peace? Does it apply to selling arms to Israel or Our Friends the Saudis and their never-ending proxy wars against Iran? Does it apply to South Korea? Maybe we should just let a Peace of The New Millennium to descend upon them under the leadership of their very strong, very shrewd leader. I guess I could understand some kind of Kissinger type justification, some geopolitical realpolitik defense of keeping out of certain conflicts that don't impact our direct interests. But this "we will bend over and take it" justification is to advocate for a weak America on the world stage. Ladies and Gentlemen, I bring you "The New Republicans," not to be confused with any prior use of the term "Republican." I think a major issue people on the Right have is that the US played a big part in instigating Russia’s aggression in this conflict by breaking our post- Soviet agreements of not expanding NATO to the east, and then aiding Ukrainian Nazis to overthrow a democratically elected government that was friendly with Russia… Its almost like if America just stayed out of it 10 years ago, 350,000 Ukrainians might still be alive today…Constantly funding and arming Ukraine seems to just be making the situation worse… Edited July 15, 2023 by JaCrispy 2
The Frankish Reich Posted July 15, 2023 Posted July 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Its almost like if America just stayed out of it 10 years ago, 350,000 Ukrainians might still be alive today Almost certainly under Russian control. This is what I'm talking about - to these New Republicans freedom isn't worth any price at all. "Mr. Gorbachev, fortify this Wall and stay within your designated sphere of influence and we'll get along just fine." 1
Coffeesforclosers Posted July 15, 2023 Posted July 15, 2023 8 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: I think a major issue people on the Right have is that the US played a big part in instigating Russia’s aggression in this conflict by breaking our post- Soviet agreements of not expanding NATO to the east, and then aiding Ukrainian Nazis to overthrow a democratically elected government that was friendly with Russia… Its almost like if America just stayed out of it 10 years ago, 350,000 Ukrainians might still be alive today…Constantly funding and arming Ukraine seems to just be making the situation worse… Those are good reasons, and they make sense. They're just not the reasons why Russia started the war. Yevgeniy Prigozhin straight up told the world why Russia started the war. It has nothing to do with historical grievances, broken treaties, or anything else that makes sense to a reasonable person. It has everything to do with a naked land and resource grab for Russia's billionaire class, and to boost Russian prestige by making America look weak. 1
JaCrispy Posted July 15, 2023 Posted July 15, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Almost certainly under Russian control. This is what I'm talking about - to these New Republicans freedom isn't worth any price at all. "Mr. Gorbachev, fortify this Wall and stay within your designated sphere of influence and we'll get along just fine." Now, this is just kind of silly…😉 Its a completely different situation now, that has zero to do with communism attempting to overtake Europe like during the Cold War… Russia does not seem to want control over Ukraine- just judging from their war strategy…it’s only very specific to a particular region, whose people are ethnically Russian, and who voted to become autonomous, and who the Ukrainian Nazis were slaughtering… Remember what Bill Clinton’s Secretary of State once said back in the 90s- that no politician, in their right mind, would dare think about expanding NATO one foot to the east because it would be seen as an act of war- due to the agreements the west had with Russia… 1000 miles, and many countries later, you can understand why Russia might be skeptical of the U.S… Unfortunately, just like with the Native Americans, the US has gone back on its word and has essentially declared war on Russia long ago…I don’t like that Russia invaded its neighbor, as I detest war…However, at the same time, I can’t really blame them… And if China had an agreement with the US that they would not set up military bases in Mexico, and then did it anyway, I wouldn’t blame America for doing the same…👍 16 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Those are good reasons, and they make sense. They're just not the reasons why Russia started the war. Yevgeniy Prigozhin straight up told the world why Russia started the war. It has nothing to do with historical grievances, broken treaties, or anything else that makes sense to a reasonable person. It has everything to do with a naked land and resource grab for Russia's billionaire class, and to boost Russian prestige by making America look weak. I actually also agree with this… All wars are fought over economics, whether it’s Russia invading or the U.S. funding Ukraine… Edited July 15, 2023 by JaCrispy 1
The Frankish Reich Posted July 15, 2023 Posted July 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: All wars are fought over economics, whether it’s Russia invading or the U.S. funding Ukraine… Two particular regions. The Crimea counts too. 3 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Unfortunately, just like with the Native Americans, the US has gone back on its word and has essentially declared war on Russia long ago… Talk about silly - "the U.S. has gone back on its word?" Remember the post-Soviet agreement. Ukraine surrenders its Soviet nukes, the new Russian Federation agrees to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity. It is like the U.S. Government and the Native American nations, but the party reneging on its obligations is Russia.
Dr.Sack Posted July 16, 2023 Posted July 16, 2023 18 hours ago, Big Blitz said: “He gets results and has been a successful chief executive…..he knows all the issues…..he fights……….but his campaign sucks he isn’t Trump.” You should stay home Cerno - style is more important then substance and results now? Trump - 2 years with GOP control of DC. We got the SCOTUS. Huge absolutely. His greatest legacy. What else? Was MAGA implemented? Did we purge the Deep State? How did 2018 go? Now Trump is somehow going to be able to do these things as a lame duck president and an unknown makeup of Congress. Yea. Again, that’s reason enough alone to move on. DeSantis - razor thin win in 2018 - manages to implement most every significant MAGA policy in Florida and wins majorities in the legislature while doing so. Time to move on Cerno. If DeSantis actual resume and results aren’t good enough then no one is. And you bet your **s his Covid policies are what matters most. Never forget that. Ever. Because it reveals much more about the man than any fancy ad or slogan or tweet ever will. Covid policies aren’t as relevant, as seeing where campaign funds are coming from. A better analysis is to look at the data. And the data shows that DeSantis is taking the most money from Big Pharma than anyone. We know the revolving door between Pharma and the FDA/CDC. A logical conclusion is that DeSantis is draining no swamps. DeSantis is using the rhetoric of a reformer, but his campaign contributions clearly show he will deliver zero change, while doing the bidding of Big Pharma. 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted July 16, 2023 Posted July 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Dr.Sack said: Covid policies aren’t as relevant, as seeing where campaign funds are coming from. A better analysis is to look at the data. And the data shows that DeSantis is taking the most money from Big Pharma than anyone. We know the revolving door between Pharma and the FDA/CDC. A logical conclusion is that DeSantis is draining no swamps. DeSantis is using the rhetoric of a reformer, but his campaign contributions clearly show he will deliver zero change, while doing the bidding of Big Pharma. Where did you see he gets money from Big Pharma?
Doc Posted July 16, 2023 Posted July 16, 2023 And yet people are still flocking there in droves. Go figure.
Orlando Buffalo Posted July 16, 2023 Posted July 16, 2023 19 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: Almost certainly under Russian control. This is what I'm talking about - to these New Republicans freedom isn't worth any price at all. "Mr. Gorbachev, fortify this Wall and stay within your designated sphere of influence and we'll get along just fine." Do you are against trying to find a peaceful end? You are against ensuring our money is not being spent to make the Ukraine government rich? You believe that National Socialists should be supported without question? It is funny that liberals who will give up every freedoms in the USA are so worried about Ukrainian freedoms. 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted July 16, 2023 Posted July 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: Combine DCBC where access to funds vs. physical money can be controlled with ESG personalized social credit scores that determine what "privileges" you have "earned" and you get the idea of what the plan is for you is when you're transformed into a subject of the State vs. a citizen of the Republic. The fight is against concentration of government and corporate power and control. Break up the government, break up the corporations! Push power back to the local level. Just what those old-fashioned liberals used to fight for decades ago. Today's libs, just the opposite.
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