DeSantis For President in 2024?

[Doc]

Just now, Roundybout said:

https://www.vox.com/policy/2023/3/24/23649277/dont-say-period-florida-republicans-restricting-sex-education
 

Are you a fourth grade girl curious about your looming first period? Too bad! Talking about it is soon to be illegal under DeSantis’ administration. Can’t sexualize children, you know. 

 

Yeah, too bad school is the only place to do it...

[ChiGoose]

10 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah, too bad school is the only place to do it...

Maybe not everyone is lucky enough to live in a safe and supportive environment. Maybe it would be helpful for some people to have access to resources outside the home that can help them understand things.

 

Or maybe we should just have the government tell us what to think. 

[Roundybout]

11 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah, too bad school is the only place to do it...

Why shouldn’t they? Aren’t schools there to educate? 
 

Republicans are so pathetic and shallow.

3 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Maybe not everyone is lucky enough to live in a safe and supportive environment. Maybe it would be helpful for some people to have access to resources outside the home that can help them understand things.

 

Or maybe we should just have the government tell us what to think. 

Party of small government, by the way. 

Edited March 24, 2023 by Roundybout

[Joe Ferguson forever]

7 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Why shouldn’t they? Aren’t schools there to educate? 
 

Republicans are so pathetic and shallow.

Party of small government, by the way. 

The culture wars are just a diversion because they have no real policy solutions to any of the big problems:  Inflation, climate change, social security, fentanyl, medicare, health care etc.  It's just a smoke screen.  the real culture war is simple:  educated vs uneducated or inadequately educated.

[Roundybout]

18 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

The culture wars are just a diversion because they have no real policy solutions to any of the big problems:  Inflation, climate change, social security, fentanyl, medicare, health care etc.  It's just a smoke screen.  the real culture war is simple:  educated vs uneducated or inadequately educated.

Yeah, I realized a long time ago that “woke” was just the new “politically correct,” which was the new “satanic panic,” which was the new “red scare,” which are all just meaningless buzzwords for “stuff we don’t like and you need to be afraid of.”

[Doc]

20 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

The culture wars are just a diversion because they have no real policy solutions to any of the big problems:  Inflation, climate change, social security, fentanyl, medicare, health care etc.  It's just a smoke screen.  the real culture war is simple:  educated vs uneducated or inadequately educated.

 

To whom are you referring?  I hope you're not just saying it's the Repubs.  The Dems have no answers either.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

3 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Yeah, I realized a long time ago that “woke” was just the new “politically correct,” which was the new “satanic panic,” which was the new “red scare,” which are all just meaningless buzzwords for “stuff we don’t like and you need to be afraid of.”

they all equal "the others" who they despise cuz they need someone to blame.  implicit in the educated vs uneducated are valued skills vs unvalued or poorly valued skills in the employment marketplace.

[Orlando Buffalo]

2 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

So there are these things, they are called librarians. And what they do is use their specialized training to ensure that there are a variety of books available. As far as I am aware, there hasn’t been a case of a school librarian putting Playboys in the school library. If they did, they would likely be fired. 
 

Schools don't have libraries they have media centers, we don't have librarians, we have specialists and the media center books are generally reference books or current magazines, the books for entertainment are usually in teachers rooms now, at least in Florida. But I have a real question, why would you fire someone for a playboy if not for a book that tells a child how to meet people online?

[Tommy Callahan]

42 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

To whom are you referring?  I hope you're not just saying it's the Repubs.  The Dems have no answers either.

Shh. They are busy with an echo chamber.  It's the only place that reality exist.  

42 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

To whom are you referring?  I hope you're not just saying it's the Repubs.  The Dems have no answers either.

Attempting to insult anyone not a Dem.  

 

It's kinda funny 

 

The gop establishment is trash. I think most agree. Still doesn't equate to people supporting this dumpster fire. 

Edited March 24, 2023 by Chris farley

[ChiGoose]

45 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

Schools don't have libraries they have media centers, we don't have librarians, we have specialists and the media center books are generally reference books or current magazines, the books for entertainment are usually in teachers rooms now, at least in Florida. But I have a real question, why would you fire someone for a playboy if not for a book that tells a child how to meet people online?

I don’t understand the reference. A book about meeting people online? And it’s the same as porn?

[The Frankish Reich]

Serious question: have those people defending the firing of the principal ever

taken their kids to a museum? Apparently not. Because they gonna see a little artistic nudity there 

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Serious question: have those people defending the firing of the principal ever

taken their kids to a museum? Apparently not. Because they gonna see a little artistic nudity there 

Chris Rufo hasn’t gotten that far. He has only distributed talking points on anti CRT and LGTBQ.

 

The cult won’t be able to compute your query.

[The Frankish Reich]

3 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Chris Rufo hasn’t gotten that far. He has only distributed talking points on anti CRT and LGTBQ.

 

The cult won’t be able to compute your query.

I suppose you’re right. 
I mean, “Classical Curriculum” means you’re gonna deal with a lot of controversial subject matter that doesn’t  fit “Panhandle of Florida Evangelical Christian Republican.”

- Socrates, Plato, Aristotle: I just learned they weren’t even Christians!

- Old Testament: what’s all that grooming talk about men lying with men?

- Renaissance: g0ddam pr0n, that’s what that is!

- American Revolution: how dare they say Jefferson cut out every passage of the New Testament in which Jesus was

described as divine or as performing miracles! (That’s exactly what he did)

 

I’m a bit rusty on this classical education stuff, but I’m glad I had one (mostly in Catholic schools too), and I’m not afraid of ideas. 

[ChiGoose]

1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I suppose you’re right. 
I mean, “Classical Curriculum” means you’re gonna deal with a lot of controversial subject matter that doesn’t  fit “Panhandle of Florida Evangelical Christian Republican.”

- Socrates, Plato, Aristotle: I just learned they weren’t even Christians!

- Old Testament: what’s all that grooming talk about men lying with men?

- Renaissance: g0ddam pr0n, that’s what that is!

- American Revolution: how dare they say Jefferson cut out every passage of the New Testament in which Jesus was

described as divine or as performing miracles! (That’s exactly what he did)

 

I’m a bit rusty on this classical education stuff, but I’m glad I had one (mostly in Catholic schools too), and I’m not afraid of ideas. 

Well the problem is that they can’t allow critical thinking, only indoctrination.

 

If they allowed critical thinking, then nobody would support the GOP anymore. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, redtail hawk said:

they all equal "the others" who they despise cuz they need someone to blame.  implicit in the educated vs uneducated are valued skills vs unvalued or poorly valued skills in the employment marketplace.

Since you wear your bias on you sleeve…

 

wrong again.
 

Marketplace value correlates to income generation, thus please go investigate the vote distribution by party as you ascend the income bracket and observe the very clear trend. 
 

Both parties are garbage, but the well educated (that is those that actually earned a marketable degree with inherent income generating value as opposed to some advanced basket weaving arts certification) overwhelmingly trend towards the party they expect will steal less of their money. 
 

the bums with sociology BAs stocking Best Buy’s … yeah they are your educated folks. 
 

This is an indisputable fact. 

[L Ron Burgundy]

2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I suppose you’re right. 
I mean, “Classical Curriculum” means you’re gonna deal with a lot of controversial subject matter that doesn’t  fit “Panhandle of Florida Evangelical Christian Republican.”

- Socrates, Plato, Aristotle: I just learned they weren’t even Christians!

- Old Testament: what’s all that grooming talk about men lying with men?

- Renaissance: g0ddam pr0n, that’s what that is!

- American Revolution: how dare they say Jefferson cut out every passage of the New Testament in which Jesus was

described as divine or as performing miracles! (That’s exactly what he did)

 

I’m a bit rusty on this classical education stuff, but I’m glad I had one (mostly in Catholic schools too), and I’m not afraid of ideas. 

There's no serious discussion with the conservatives here.  It's just defend everything the right spews and attack anything from the left no matter how nonsensical.   

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I suppose you’re right. 
I mean, “Classical Curriculum” means you’re gonna deal with a lot of controversial subject matter that doesn’t  fit “Panhandle of Florida Evangelical Christian Republican.”

- Socrates, Plato, Aristotle: I just learned they weren’t even Christians!

- Old Testament: what’s all that grooming talk about men lying with men?

- Renaissance: g0ddam pr0n, that’s what that is!

- American Revolution: how dare they say Jefferson cut out every passage of the New Testament in which Jesus was

described as divine or as performing miracles! (That’s exactly what he did)

 

I’m a bit rusty on this classical education stuff, but I’m glad I had one (mostly in Catholic schools too), and I’m not afraid of ideas. 

I like ideas. Why must 8 year olds know about sexuality from their public schools? Mind is wide open… help this societal need be understood 

[The Frankish Reich]

2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

This is an indisputable fact.

It’s not that simple.
Let’s say I want to make some educated guesses about random people. This is demography, not stereotyping. And of course every group includes exceptions to the rule:

- you are white without a college degree: you probably voted for Trump

- you are white with a college degree: you probably voted for Biden

- you are black of any educational bracket: you probably voted for Biden

- you are white and live in an exurban or rural/small town area: you very very likely voted for Trump 

- you have a professional degree: you very very likely voted for Biden 

- you attend an evangelical Christian church: you very very likely voted for Trump. 
- you are Hispanic of Mexican ancestry: you probably voted for Biden.  Of Cuban ancestry: you probably voted for Trump

 

The old days of “the wealthy vote Republican, the poor vote Democrat” are over. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

9 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Well the problem is that they can’t allow critical thinking, only indoctrination.

 

If they allowed critical thinking, then nobody would support the GOP anymore. 

 

5 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

There's no serious discussion with the conservatives here.  It's just defend everything the right spews and attack anything from the left no matter how nonsensical.   

when is the last time either of you tried to understand where anyone with different opinions is coming from. 
 

Desantis war on LGBTQ is literally as I’ve read it barring sexually charged content in public elementary school classrooms. So sure it’s a populist move, but it’s it a hate crime? Is there some pragmatism to allowing people who wish the ability to shield their kids from that until older? 

[The Frankish Reich]

3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I like ideas. Why must 8 year olds know about sexuality from their public schools? Mind is wide open… help this societal need be understood 

Straw man. 
How about the real world: class trip of 6th graders to NYC. Trip to the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Do you send and advance team to check out which galleries include depictions of naked bodies and rush the kids past them without allowing them to peek in? 
Because that’s what this moronic school is doing.