Doc Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 Glad we needed to level a country just to weaken Russia. Think Ukraine will be ready for NATO admittance soon? 1
BillStime Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, Doc said: Glad we needed to level a country just to weaken Russia. Think Ukraine will be ready for NATO admittance soon? WE did WHAT? We leveled that country? Did Putin try to negotiate with Zelenskyy prior to Putin's war?
Tommy Callahan Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, BillStime said: WE did WHAT? We leveled that country? Did Putin try to negotiate with Zelenskyy prior to Putin's war? before 2014? or of the countless times that each country was called out for targeting civilians from 2014 through 2020? where do you think the bombs and missles we gave the, were dropped? russia?
LDD Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 It's a violent and cruel world. Arming Ukraine to stop the aggressive, dangerous and criminal regime that runs Russia is an absolute necessity. Otherwise, Ukraine's women and children would be passed out to the oligarchs for sale, their valuable resources usurped and the country defiled. Putin would have a stranglehold on Europe's energy market and would be rattling the stability of NATO. It's hard to imagine a spoiled America, so gutless in it's approach to right and wrong in the world, that would not help Ukraine defend itself against an aggressor such as Vladimir Putin. You wanna live with soft hands and softer bellies under the umbrella of the the greatest military empire the world has ever seen?? This is a small price to pay. 1
The Frankish Reich Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 39 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: You really crack me up. But that’s why we luv ya! It is a fact that the GOP was anti-Russia (to be more accurate, anti-Putin) in 2012. Mitt Romney: Russia is our number 1 geopolitical rival. Obama: snarky response that is pure cringe today. It is also a fact that Trump and the post-takeover GOP did a 180 on Russia. And despite all the evidence to the contrary (the “they aren’t expansionist or any threat to the West” thing isn’t playing so well now, right?), there’s an awful lot of Putin apologists and half apologists in the GOP now.
Biden is Mentally Fit Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: It is a fact that the GOP was anti-Russia (to be more accurate, anti-Putin) in 2012. Mitt Romney: Russia is our number 1 geopolitical rival. Obama: snarky response that is pure cringe today. It is also a fact that Trump and the post-takeover GOP did a 180 on Russia. And despite all the evidence to the contrary (the “they aren’t expansionist or any threat to the West” thing isn’t playing so well now, right?), there’s an awful lot of Putin apologists and half apologists in the GOP now. There was also this: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/jul/03/tom-cotton/tom-cotton-hillary-clinton-pushed-reset-russia-mon/ 1
BillStime Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 35 minutes ago, Chris farley said: before 2014? or of the countless times that each country was called out for targeting civilians from 2014 through 2020? where do you think the bombs and missles we gave the, were dropped? russia? Yea, thanks Doc - but that's not what he was inferring... keep deflecting.
Tommy Callahan Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 Did they ever report who blew up the nord stream pipeline.
Westside Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 38 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: There was also this: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/jul/03/tom-cotton/tom-cotton-hillary-clinton-pushed-reset-russia-mon/ Yeah, but that's different....... 1
The Frankish Reich Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, JDHillFan said: There was also this: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/jul/03/tom-cotton/tom-cotton-hillary-clinton-pushed-reset-russia-mon/ True. No need to rehash all of it but we all know about Bush 43 (“I looked into Putin’s eyes and saw a man I can trust”) and Obama to Medvedev (“I’ll have more flexibility with Russia after the election”). Many politicians on both sides completely miscalculated. Trump was just the latest. My comment is more about how Romney got it right. 1
Tiberius Posted February 21, 2023 Author Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: You really crack me up. But that’s why we luv ya! But he is right. GOP was anti-Putin/Russia until Trump
sherpa Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: True. No need to rehash all of it but we all know about Bush 43 (“I looked into Putin’s eyes and saw a man I can trust”) and Obama to Medvedev (“I’ll have more flexibility with Russia after the election”). Many politicians on both sides completely miscalculated. Trump was just the latest. My comment is more about how Romney got it right. This is completely about Putin. It isn't about how US presidents or scores of other leaders may have misjudged him in year's past. The man is different now, and dealing with the 2023 Putin is a separate argument.
Doc Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: It is a fact that the GOP was anti-Russia (to be more accurate, anti-Putin) in 2012. Mitt Romney: Russia is our number 1 geopolitical rival. Obama: snarky response that is pure cringe today. It is also a fact that Trump and the post-takeover GOP did a 180 on Russia. And despite all the evidence to the contrary (the “they aren’t expansionist or any threat to the West” thing isn’t playing so well now, right?), there’s an awful lot of Putin apologists and half apologists in the GOP now. No one is pro-Russia. From what orifice are you pulling this? 1
B-Man Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 You mean, you lied ? MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell says she was ‘imprecise’ when she said DeSantis didn’t want slavery taught 1
JaCrispy Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, B-Man said: You mean, you lied ? MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell says she was ‘imprecise’ when she said DeSantis didn’t want slavery taught Funny how they are never “imprecise” with Biden and the Dems…😉 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted February 23, 2023 Posted February 23, 2023 On 2/21/2023 at 1:22 PM, The Frankish Reich said: It is a fact that the GOP was anti-Russia (to be more accurate, anti-Putin) in 2012. Mitt Romney: Russia is our number 1 geopolitical rival. Obama: snarky response that is pure cringe today. It is also a fact that Trump and the post-takeover GOP did a 180 on Russia. And despite all the evidence to the contrary (the “they aren’t expansionist or any threat to the West” thing isn’t playing so well now, right?), there’s an awful lot of Putin apologists and half apologists in the GOP now. Your characterization is almost as if you don't have the mental acumen to understand that Russia is worse but Ukraine is not the good guys. Hating Putin does not require me to want to fund the Ukraine war 1 1 1
BillStime Posted February 23, 2023 Posted February 23, 2023 24 minutes ago, B-Man said: You mean, you lied ? MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell says she was ‘imprecise’ when she said DeSantis didn’t want slavery taught yeah ok comrade 2
JaCrispy Posted February 23, 2023 Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) On 2/21/2023 at 1:22 PM, The Frankish Reich said: It is a fact that the GOP was anti-Russia (to be more accurate, anti-Putin) in 2012. Mitt Romney: Russia is our number 1 geopolitical rival. Obama: snarky response that is pure cringe today. It is also a fact that Trump and the post-takeover GOP did a 180 on Russia. And despite all the evidence to the contrary (the “they aren’t expansionist or any threat to the West” thing isn’t playing so well now, right?), there’s an awful lot of Putin apologists and half apologists in the GOP now. Romney supports the foreign policy of the Establishment, which includes Bush, Obama and Biden… Obama’s “famous” response was nothing more than gaslighting…He knew then that Russia was not our biggest threat, as did Romney…but he successfully used the moment to throw a cute little joke at Mitt (It’s all politics). China had passed Russia, economically and militarily, as our biggest threat by that time…But the Military Industrial Complex has wanted to go to war with Russia for decades because they were Europe’s biggest supplier of oil, and the U.S. wanted that title… Edited February 23, 2023 by JaCrispy
BillStime Posted February 23, 2023 Posted February 23, 2023 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: Romney supports the foreign policy of the Establishment, which includes Obama and Biden… Obama’s “famous” response was nothing more than gaslighting…He knew then that Russia was not our biggest threat, as did Romney…but he successfully used the moment to throw a cute little joke at Mitt… China had passed Russia, economically and militarily, as our biggest threat by that time…But the Military Industrial Complex has wanted to go to war with Russia for decades because they were Europe’s biggest supplier of oil, and the U.S. wanted that title… And yet the cult pisses all over electric cars - gee, I wonder why? idiots
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