Donald Rumsfeld Has Died

[Chef Jim]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Saying you respect his family, as if they read this board, that’s stupid. Plain old stupid 

You can only show respect for people who are present?  That’s a new one. 

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

Why would you support invading a foreign nation like that?  I went to Washington to protest it. 

 

But I do appreciate your honesty on that point. 

Why would I support it?  To keep terrorists occupied there instead of here. It worked. 
 

[B-Man]

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

You can only show respect for people who are present?  That’s a new one. 

 

 

Tibs is a hopeless dullard.

 

 

Not "breaking news" I know, but his inability to show a small amount of maturity here is so telling.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[reddogblitz]

31 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

That does mean much. They made a vote, they had to make a choice presented to them by Conservatives. Remember, it was a “support the troops” votes. Conservatives screamed from the roof tops we had to avenge 9-11, or, save ourselves from WMD or was it to spread democracy, whatever. 

 

Conservative war, top to bottom 

 

Poor ole decorated war veteran John Kerry, smartest person alive Hillary Clinton, and elder statesman Joe Biden cannot be held responsible for their ill advised votes because those mean ole Wascally Wepublicans made 'em vote for it.

 

If your boy/girl voted for it, own it.

[Big Blitz]

My first experience with the American media as an adult fresh out of college - it's 2001 and I'm looking for work.  Bush has been elected (the left says selected but sure ok).  And yes the country was definitely divided over the election.  

 

It to me, was Ground Zero for our modern day political divide.....but I digress.  Anyway I'm 22 and I'm just starting to really pay attention to DC and the political world.  

 

9/11 happens.  Defining moment of our times tho Covid is about to actually surpass it which is ridiculous.  So now I wasn't just paying attention - I was fully immersing myself in politics, history, government, and the DC circus.  I was all in.  The unthinkable had just happened.  

 

The war begins in Afghanistan.  And I swear to God to this day I'll take it with me to my grave it was one of Rumsfeld's first pressers and what I heard - That was the day I got 100% confirmation that I knew I was conservative.....and an American....always knew I had the instincts and leanings now it was all coming together and making sense.  

 

So the media starts pounding him with questions.  Keep in mind this is about 1 month or so after 9/11 and there were people wondering what is taking so long to attack these mother ****.  

 

And what were those first questions?  

 

"Mr. Secretary there are reports that the U.S. is shooting at retreating troops on the battlefield....is this correct?  What do you have to say about the reports the Taliban forces are trying to surrender and are being shot?"

 

I couldn't freaking believe what I was hearing.  I knew there was lib bias.....but this wasn't bias.  This was flat out Un American.  

 

And right after 9/11 no less.  The press is already demanding to know why we're killing bad guys on the battlefield.  The look on Rumsfelds face was part disgust, shock, and completely dumbfounded.  The press also alleged we bombed a hospital and were attacking civilians.  Unreal and in a way jarring to me.  Everything I heard about the press as being useful idiots coming true in real time.

 

 

Anyway I didn't fully agree with the Iraq War..... I wouldn't have went in anyway I never bought the WMD stuff and knew that wasn't the reason they went in (guess I've always been a conspiracy theorist but it's not a conspiracy if it's a fact).  No they went in hoping that there, in the heart of Mesopotamia, was a population clamoring for control of its own destiny and be done with dictators like Saddam, could self govern, join Western Civilization, and find some resolution to the Arab-Israeli conflict.  That this could be the turning point that would end the violence and terror. 

 

Who knew that it would be Donald Trump to actually have it right some 15 years later.  

 

 

Anyway RIP to an American Patriot;

 

 

 

 

 

If Colbert acted like this all the time I'd probably watch him.

 

P.S. let this sink in.  In that chair is the man the Left would probably call the most evil man in America along with Cheney up till 2016.  Ok I can find a rationale for that at least.    

 

Somehow a businessman that attacked zero countries, did virtually nothing except cut your taxes, let businesses do business, appointed good judges......somehow that guy because he tweeted a lot has usurped all their anger and rage.   

 

Truly truly mind blowing and it should disturb everybody.  

Edited July 1, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Governor]

John McCain didn’t get this kind of love.

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Poor ole decorated war veteran John Kerry, smartest person alive Hillary Clinton, and elder statesman Joe Biden cannot be held responsible for their ill advised votes because those mean ole Wascally Wepublicans made 'em vote for it.

 

If your boy/girl voted for it, own it.

They should be held accountable and it's no coincidence both Obama and Trump became president as neither had to make that vote.

 

If you want to go strictly by party breakdown though in the House 127 Dems, six Republicans, and one Socialist voted against it.  Similar ratio in the Senate with 21 Dems voting against it, one Republican (later turned Democrat), and one Independent.  

[JaCrispy]

11 hours ago, Tiberius said:

A big author of the Iraq War

 

RIP 

May he Rest In Peace...but his Neo-Con policies won’t be missed...

[SoCal Deek]

I heard on the news he was both the youngest and the oldest to hold his position at the defense department. I found that truly fascinating. 

[B-Man]

 

The Don Rumsfeld the Obituaries Won’t Write About

 

They loved him when things were going well. They blamed him when things went bad. And he never complained.

 

He should have complained. And named names, and released emails. Because being gutless and evil shouldn’t be costless. And yet for our press and our political class it usually is. They’d behave better if it weren’t.

 

 

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/06/30/donald-rumsfeld-what-the-world-got-wrong-497275

 

[Tiberius]

13 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Poor ole decorated war veteran John Kerry, smartest person alive Hillary Clinton, and elder statesman Joe Biden cannot be held responsible for their ill advised votes because those mean ole Wascally Wepublicans made 'em vote for it.

 

If your boy/girl voted for it, own it.

Were they the ones running around saying we were going to die if didn't invade Iraq? No. 

 

Why did so many Americans think Saddam Hussein was part of 9-11? Hint, wasn't those Dems you named. 

 

Do you understand that some people pushed for the war while others were politically cowradly and voted to authorize force? That's not too difficult to understand. 

 

You are basically trying to give those Conservatives a pass by pointing at Dems. 

[sherpa]

Nobody said we were going to die if we didn't invade Iraq.

Iraq was in gross violation of the 1991 ceasefire  agreement.

The US was running a no fly zone combat air patrol that was getting shot at, and there was no way that was going to continue.

That mission was going to end, one way or another.

 

The US Intel services had nobody on the ground there.

They relied too much on defectors that proved to be useless and self serving.

Both House and Senate Intel Committees received the exact same intel an judgements from that intel that the White House did.

They voted.

[T master]

15 hours ago, Tiberius said:

The service of lying us into a war? 

 

Is there any one on earth that you love besides your self and would have any thing at all good to say about them ?

 

If you are married i bet your wife is just ecstatic to wake up & have to listen to you every day holy ***** i don't know if i have ever heard any one more negative in my entire life you never 1 good thing to say you can't even show a small piece of respect for some one that has passed before you start bashing them your a piece of work ...

[B-Man]

Just now, T master said:

 

Is there any one on earth that you love besides your self and would have any thing at all good to say about them ?

 

If you are married i bet your wife is just ecstatic to wake up & have to listen to you every day holy ***** i don't know if i have ever heard any one more negative in my entire life you never 1 good thing to say you can't even show a small piece of respect for some one that has passed before you start bashing them your a piece of work ...

 

 

He needs your attention.

 

Notice how almost every post of his is a question.

 

Crying for responses.

 

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

7 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

May he Rest In Peace...but his Neo-Con policies won’t be missed...

Never did like the Bush II team and Mr. Rumsfeld was a key player.  The WMD allegations was masterful in that Saddam would never disclose he had no such weapons as that admission would have emboldened his enemy Iran.  While also peddling the idea Iraq was somehow connected to the 9/11 terrorists when it was obvious to anyone with just the slightest bit of knowledge all signs point to the Saudi's.  It was deceit vs. deceit and set the stage for his demise and the deaths of 100,000 of thousands and the start of the migration of millions out of the Middle East to mostly Europe.  And the US being stuck in Iraq for forever.  And the removal of Iran's main obstacle to acting on their regional ambitions.  All around a lot of bad consequences.

 

May he RIP with the souls that lost their lives through this foolishness.

Edited July 1, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills

[Tiberius]

17 minutes ago, T master said:

 

Is there any one on earth that you love besides your self and would have any thing at all good to say about them ?

 

If you are married i bet your wife is just ecstatic to wake up & have to listen to you every day holy ***** i don't know if i have ever heard any one more negative in my entire life you never 1 good thing to say you can't even show a small piece of respect for some one that has passed before you start bashing them your a piece of work ...

Damn, making it personal. 

 

Note: I don’t care at all about your personal life. Strange you would write about mine. Creepy 

17 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

He needs your attention.

 

Notice how almost every post of his is a question.

 

Crying for responses.

 

 

 

Oh go cut and paste something 

[T master]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Damn, making it personal. 

 

Note: I don’t care at all about your personal life. Strange you would write about mine. Creepy 

It's just a observation with a couple of simple questions which once again you have diverted or twisted it to be something else in your true form .

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, T master said:

It's just a observation with a couple of simple questions which once again you have diverted or twisted it to be something else in your true form .

It’s complete conjecture based on nothing. 

 

Stay at cool bro, I don’t dislike you. 

[B-Man]

 

[T master]

10 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

It’s complete conjecture based on nothing. 

 

Stay at cool bro, I don’t dislike you. 

 

Same here how can I dislike some one i have never met we do have different opinions of course .

 

I too have a lot of things about the man that i could question but at least i hope that he does RIP !

 

But I will save those other questions or opinions for another post which i'm pretty sure we would have some of the same  . 

[716er]

38 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

He needs your attention.

 

Notice how almost every post of his is a question.

 

Crying for responses.

 

 

 

Talking about Chef Jim?