Carl Nassib Announces He is Gay

[HardyBoy]

5 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I'm sure there's some folks who have used imaging tools on brain responses to visual stimuli among people of varying sexual orientations, but considering how marginalized that community has been across most global cultures, I'd wonder how much funding is readily available for that kind of research. Although I'd think that we're currently moving through the kind of cultural advance that might make it more accessible. 

 

Ah gotcha. Don't forget they've been trying to figure out a way to "cure" homosexuality for a really long time, so funding might have been there to a degree. Also, there is a lot of opportunity for that type of research on college campuses where it is more acceptable to be openly gay, but you could be right on the lack of a large enough or diverse enough sample size.

 

Now I'm talking about psychological research, if you're talking about neuropsych, like fMRI brain imaging stuff you might be right. Tough to show people gay porn when it's a felony to possess it I guess. 

 

You know what, you might have persuaded me to change my mind a bit. To be fair, you make a real solid point, and I honestly thought you were just saying that because it felt right because feelings...nope, you got a pretty solid logical argument there (seriously). For all we know, there could be a crap ton of money flowing into this research for a long time, but you really might be right. You'd think there was a ton of research into mmj, but somewhat similar reasons have lead there to be a huge gap of 60 or so years in that research until recently.

[GoBills808]

8 minutes ago, Simon said:

I'm not aware of that and it would surprise me.

Although here's a study from an institution that is well-regarded as fairly reliable and authoritative that does not support that claim.

Gay Men and Lesbians in the U.S. Military

 

A summary snippet:

 

• Using the mid-point estimate that 3 percent of women and 4 percent of men are gay or lesbian among adults in the general population, the findings shown in table 2 suggest that 1.8 percent of active duty personnel are gay or lesbian, meaning that nearly 26,000 gay men and lesbians are serving on active duty. The proportion of lesbians among active duty female personnel is approximately four times higher than the proportion of gay men among male personnel, regardless of the assumptions about prevalence in the population. The mid-range estimate of the proportion of lesbians among women serving on active duty is 5.2 percent while the comparable figure for gay men is 1.2 percent. These estimates imply that more than 11,000 lesbians and 14,500 gay men are currently serving in active duty.

Are you seriously trying to use a study from 2004...7 years before they repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell? Yikes.

 

Here

[DrDawkinstein]

10 minutes ago, Simon said:

Of course there's many homosexual men that enjoy banging heads. 

But I don't think it's wild speculation to suggest that gay men trend toward less physically aggressive tendencies.

If I were to suggest that most men tend to be taller than most women, the fact that many tall women exist doesn't invalidate the observation.

 

You havent been trapped on a dance floor with them then! 🤣

 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

You havent been trapped on a dance floor with them then! 🤣

 

 

I actually count on them at weddings. My wife LOVES to dance, and I’m in no danger. Win/win! 

[HardyBoy]

11 minutes ago, Simon said:

I'm not aware of that and it would surprise me.

Although here's a study from an institution that is well-regarded as fairly reliable and authoritative that does not support that claim.

Gay Men and Lesbians in the U.S. Military

 

A summary snippet:

 

• Using the mid-point estimate that 3 percent of women and 4 percent of men are gay or lesbian among adults in the general population, the findings shown in table 2 suggest that 1.8 percent of active duty personnel are gay or lesbian, meaning that nearly 26,000 gay men and lesbians are serving on active duty. The proportion of lesbians among active duty female personnel is approximately four times higher than the proportion of gay men among male personnel, regardless of the assumptions about prevalence in the population. The mid-range estimate of the proportion of lesbians among women serving on active duty is 5.2 percent while the comparable figure for gay men is 1.2 percent. These estimates imply that more than 11,000 lesbians and 14,500 gay men are currently serving in active duty.

 

 

 

Of course there's many homosexual men that enjoy banging heads. 

But I don't think it's wild speculation to suggest that gay men trend toward less physically aggressive tendencies.

If I were to suggest that most men tend to be taller than most women, the fact that many tall women exist doesn't invalidate the observation.

 

See the logic arguments only get you to the point of saying something is plausible. You're taking a huge leap here and any research is hugely biased by societal expectations. I mentioned this on like page 3, but saw some research that nearly a third of gen z report as not being completely 100% straight. That's massive. Not to stereotype, but to address the argument, there are not enough theater and ballet kids to make up 30% of boys. I would say those activities are already overly represented by gay boys (you say because those activities draw them because of their orientation, I say it draws them because it's a safe and accepting space compared to other activities.

 

When you get into a number the size of 33%, you can't say it's actually 50% everywhere else except the football team where it's like 2%, and only the kicker. 33% to me is something that is likely equally dispersed across an entire population.

 

Also, if I was going to do a sport that proved how masculine and not possibly gay I was, then it would definitely be football. Care to guess what the football players at my school called players on our state champ soccer team for playing a "gay" sport.

 

Again, are people scared of showering with a gay guy because the gay guy will get turned on, or because they're afraid they will get turned on...33% is a really big number folks.

[Simon]

32 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

I honestly thought you were just saying that because it felt right because feelings...nope

 

I think it's hard to exchange ideas about this stuff sometimes because generations of trying to homogenize our culture have put us in a mindset where we are almost wired to view differences as a negative and we tend to make assumptions about where people who disagree about those differences are coming from. Hell, I would submit that a tendency toward less physical aggressiveness is a positive human characteristic, if anything.

 

36 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

Now I'm talking about psychological research, if you're talking about neuropsych, like fMRI brain imaging stuff

 

That's probably where any disconnect was as I was indeed considering the latter.

And the visual stimuli I was thinking of was more along the lines of fighting than **cking. 

 

23 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

you say because those activities draw them because of their orientation, I say it draws them because it's a safe and accepting space compared to other activities.

A fair point, but the question of how and why those places became more accepting in the first place is also worth considering.

 

25 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

any research is hugely biased by societal expectations. I mentioned this on like page 3, but saw some research that nearly a third of gen z report as not being completely 100% straight

I'd be careful about taking that 33% figure as fact for the very reasons you stated in your previous sentence.

 

38 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

You havent been trapped on a dance floor with them then! 🤣

 

I actually have multiple times and then typically end up getting rag-dolled as the party crew I run with has several gay twenty-something sons who are 6'5" - 6'11", can really move and love to initiate spontaneous midnight dance parties on the deck. If those kids weren't so sweet I'd be scared to death of them. 

[starrymessenger]

2 hours ago, soflabillsfan1 said:

Huh?  Again, not in the same realm of impact.  "comparative cultural and societal comparison" Enough with the word salad.  I don't think you even know what you're saying.  

JMO but to me Jack is a giant on the American scene, like Ali, while Nassib is just a gay football player, no biggie. But maybe I’ve got this all wrong.

 

[Simon]

48 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Are you seriously trying to use a study from 2004...7 years before they repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell? Yikes.

 

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It's an interesting study but that range of error (3.3–5.1) is significant.

The more I think about it the more I wonder if it's even quantifiable.

[Augie]

24 minutes ago, MOVALLEYRANDY said:

when someone says you shouldn't have a different view on things, arguing with CAPS and Bold Lettering shows a closedmind, is weak and brings you near the B word rhyming with spigot.

 

Excuse me? If you can find a way to make sense of this I’ll be happy to delete my quote of you. I think you have misread things here and grossly misunderstood, and I never want to embarrass anyone. Just trying to be clear. 

 

Maybe a fresh take in the morning is the best approach after some review. Have a nice night. 

 

 

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Edited June 23, 2021 by Augie

[Malazan]

2 hours ago, Mr. K said:

The fact that you guys don't think Michael Sam counts proves the hypocrisy. First player drafted first player to play... they both got nfl checks didn't they? That counts on the payroll? That means he wasin the league? Who gives a flying rats arse is you're gay? Seriously, this country at this time. Good for you. Is it important? No. Should people care? No. Live your best life.... 

 

No one said Michael Sam didn't count until you came along and made that up in your own head. 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

3 hours ago, HardyBoy said:

 

I would argue the primary virtue signaling I've seen in this thread is in the "why is this news?" contingent.

 

How would you feel if someone told your brother to get out of a communal shower because they knew he was gay? How would he feel?

 

Also, my guess is your brother is laughing about people who suddenly feel like they made some major personal achievement because they retweeted this news. Otherwise it sounds like he is minimizing the challenges gay people face, which I'm assuming is not the case.

 

The Trevor Project or Dan Savage's It Gets Better Project aren't a thing if there wasn't a need for it.

 

It does sound like your brother had a really supportive situation though based on the tiniest amounts of subtext, but careful applying that to everyone.

 

If my brother didn’t do it first, I’d beat their a**, but I never said that nor insinuated that.  I made a comment that he snickers at those (straight people) who want virtue signal for attention (ie: arguing who is the first blah blah blah), or as you stated “it’s not news”.  Some of it comes across as disingenuous or fake if you will.  As a gay person, he would be the first to say good for him, and that’s it and move on.  He doesn’t subscribe to the LGBT community or anything like that, he just goes on about his daily life.  In all honesty, he would think this thread is silly and poke fun at me for even getting involved, but that’s just him.
 

Not all gay people are alike.  He’s not the flamboyant type and doesn’t seek attention nor feel the need say “hey look at me”.   Not that there’s anything wrong with that, it’s just not him.  Everyone pretty figured out his sexual orientation in his late teens and it was embraced with love and he wasn’t treated any differently.

 

I should not have commented, I just didn’t understand the back and forth as to the competition between Michael Sam or Carl Nassib and why there needed to be a “qualifier “ attached to them.  Like, does it really matter?  That's all I was inquiring, but you know message boards go.

[Jauronimo]

3 hours ago, Returntoglory said:

WTF are you talking about? My question is clear and obviously you're making jest. 

 

Would it not be like showering with the opposite sex? 

Gay men are not women.

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, Simon said:

Just because it differs from yours doesn't make it wrong. It's just a perception.

Objectively, I doubt there's been any conclusive research done that would make either of us know whether we're right or wrong.

 

Your perception is based on an outdated idea of what homosexual men are that was fed by unfavourable depictions in the media. "Oh they don't like sport" or "oh they are not physically aggressive" it is just nonsense.

[JoPoy88]

19 minutes ago, Bills4everNY said:

In a related news story... The producers of "Dancing with the Stars" have just chosen their newest contestant for next season's show.

wow how long it take you to come up with that one. So original 

[plenzmd1]

15 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

 

 

 

It didn't bother either of us and I was never worried about him "making a move."

 

Most likely because I'm not an ignorant moron.

Most likely cause you know you are unattractive to either sex!

 

( I kid, i kid😂)

Edited June 23, 2021 by plenzmd1

[dollars 2 donuts]

23 hours ago, nucci said:

why is sex the first thing people think of when gay people are mentioned?

 

The Nuch being all nucci (few words, straight to the point), and as usually you are spot on.

[nucci]

25 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

The Nuch being all nucci (few words, straight to the point), and as usually you are spot on.

where have you been?

[eball]

Jesus.  What a thread.  Although around here, what did I expect.  

[dollars 2 donuts]

19 minutes ago, nucci said:

where have you been?

 

I TOOK THE AFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME LOSS VERY HARD, NUCC, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO, JUMP ALL OVER ME NOW FOR IT?!

 

😂😂

 

Life, brother, but honestly I did step back for a bit.

 

On the topic, the best thing that I think can happen with this young man coming forward is it would start a chain reaction of other athletes coming out and not having to live their lives in the shadows.

 

However, it is also up to the players in all the Leagues.  All the Leagues were social justice conscious in the last few years, which whatever anyone’s position on sports and social issues I personally would not deny them that right.

 

...now, though, the rubber meets the road and they have to prove that wasn’t just posturing. It will be a very bad look and very bad for the future if this guy is prejudiced against by his colleagues.

Edited June 23, 2021 by dollars 2 donuts

[nucci]

27 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

I TOOK THE AFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME LOSS VERY HARD, NUCC, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO, JUMP ALL OVER ME NOW FOR IT?!

 

😂😂

 

Life, brother, but honestly I did step back for a bit.

 

On the topic, the best thing that I think can happen with this young man coming forward is it would start a chain reaction of other athletes coming out and not having to live their lives in the shadows.

 

However, it is also up to the players in all the Leagues.  All the Leagues were social justice conscious in the last few years, which whatever anyone’s position on sports and social issues I personally would not deny them that right.

 

...now, though, the rubber meets the road and they have to prove that wasn’t just posturing. It will be a very bad look and very bad for the future if this guy is prejudiced against by his colleagues.

so did I. LOUD NOISES

Edited June 23, 2021 by nucci