Big Blitz Posted June 18, 2021 Posted June 18, 2021 US Catholic bishops OK steps toward possible rebuke of Biden U.S. Catholic bishops overwhelmingly approved the drafting of a "teaching document" that many of them hope will rebuke Catholic politicians, including President Joe Biden, for receiving Communion despite their support for abortion rights. The result of the vote - 168 in favor and 55 against - was announced Friday near the end of a three-day meeting of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops that was held virtually. The bishops had cast their votes privately on Thursday after nearly three hours of impassioned debate. https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-government-and-politics-religion-ea0179cd6c8eddbf66693a7e2b28e2da 1
Buffalo716 Posted June 18, 2021 Posted June 18, 2021 You're not a Catholic of you support abortion. Apostate at best
Big Blitz Posted June 18, 2021 Author Posted June 18, 2021 Biden Budget Scraps the Hyde Amendment and allows tax payer dollars to fund abortion: Biden Budget Would Scrap Decades of Consensus on Not Funding Abortion .."In a highly controversial and divisive move, for the first time in decades, the presidential budget calls for direct taxpayer funding for elective abortions by eliminating the Hyde Amendment. Named for its sponsor, then-Rep. Henry Hyde, R-Ill., the Hyde Amendment is a pro-life “policy rider” that has been incorporated into federal spending measures on a bipartisan basis since 1976.... https://www.heritage.org/life/commentary/biden-budget-would-scrap-decades-consensus-not-funding-abortion
Big Blitz Posted June 19, 2021 Author Posted June 19, 2021 44 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: So much for love the sinner hate the sin. That's always the case. If you have a mortal sin on your soul you are not supposed to receive Communion until you go to confession. Every Catholic should know that abortion is a gravely serious evil, and as such is never to be supported. In the Vatican's "Declaration on Procured Abortion" (Cardinal Seper, Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, 1974) there is a discussion of "Morality and Law" (#19-23). "Man may never obey a law which is in itself, immoral and such is the case of a law which would admit in principle, the liceity of abortion. Nor can he take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law or vote for it. Moreover, he may not collaborate in its application. It is, for instance, inadmissible that doctors or nurses should find themselves obligated to cooperate closely in abortions and have to choose between the law of God and their professional situation." (22) Pope John Paul II in "Evangelium Vitae" states "I declare that direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, always constitutes a grave moral disorder, since it is the deliberate killing of an innocent human being. ... No circumstance, no purpose, no law whatsoever can ever make licit an act which is intrinsically illicit, since it is contrary to the law of God which is written in every human heart, knowable by reason itself and proclaimed by the Church" (EV 62C). "The 1917 Code of Canon Law punished abortion with excommunication. The revised canonical legislation continues this tradition when it decrees that a person who actually procures an abortion incurs automatic (Latae sententiae) excommunication" (Canon 1398) " The excommunication affects all those who commit this crime with knowledge of the penalty attached and thus includes those accomplices without whose help the crime would not have been committed" (Canon 1329). https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/sin-to-vote-for-proabortion-politicians-2739 2 1
GETTOTHE50 Posted June 19, 2021 Posted June 19, 2021 It’s very sad to withhold the Eucharist from someone. As much as I can’t stand Joe, it still hurts to see that he may not be able to receive. I do back the church on this though as I think it’s probably the right thing to do. Abortion is among one of the most evil things men has ever done. And it’s very bizarre and upsetting for a Catholic person to support it.
Niagara Bill Posted June 19, 2021 Posted June 19, 2021 2 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said: It’s very sad to withhold the Eucharist from someone. As much as I can’t stand Joe, it still hurts to see that he may not be able to receive. I do back the church on this though as I think it’s probably the right thing to do. Abortion is among one of the most evil things men has ever done. And it’s very bizarre and upsetting for a Catholic person to support it. I am Catholic, and can think for myself and I do not need the preaching of bishops who think pedophilia is ok and cover up is not lying. In 1500's this church tried to take over the world and supported slavery. This church refused to accept divorce and would not allow battered women who divorced an abusive husband to take communion. Your married partner could commit murder and be forgiven but divorce or abortion cannot. Changes in the church move to slowly in this age. I will continue to love the Lord, and enjoy attending church services, but I will not blindly listen to doctrine from these men. A church who does not even see women as equals in 2021. I think it is possible to be devoted and disagree with these mear mortals. It also saddens me to hear of this decision. 2 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted June 19, 2021 Posted June 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Niagara Bill said: I am Catholic, and can think for myself and I do not need the preaching of bishops who think pedophilia is ok and cover up is not lying. In 1500's this church tried to take over the world and supported slavery. This church refused to accept divorce and would not allow battered women who divorced an abusive husband to take communion. Your married partner could commit murder and be forgiven but divorce or abortion cannot. Changes in the church move to slowly in this age. I will continue to love the Lord, and enjoy attending church services, but I will not blindly listen to doctrine from these men. A church who does not even see women as equals in 2021. I think it is possible to be devoted and disagree with these mear mortals. It also saddens me to hear of this decision. The church is not pure but you must truly hate yourself if you are a Catholic but believe the overarching church supports pedophilia. The greatest stain on the church during my lifetime is allowing priests to move around after being caught. Abortion is another topic if you believe life begins at conception, since you are taking a life. I don't have a good new law to protect both the mother and child because there are proper reasons for it and I don't trust politicians with something so important but the casual way some people go about it is wrong.
Another Fan Posted June 19, 2021 Posted June 19, 2021 I'm Catholic but the Church has so many skeletons in their closet for me to really take them serious when it comes to these matters. Anyway maybe once the Church starts paying taxes they can have a political opinion.... division of Church and State 2
Niagara Bill Posted June 19, 2021 Posted June 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: The church is not pure but you must truly hate yourself if you are a Catholic but believe the overarching church supports pedophilia. The greatest stain on the church during my lifetime is allowing priests to move around after being caught. Abortion is another topic if you believe life begins at conception, since you are taking a life. I don't have a good new law to protect both the mother and child because there are proper reasons for it and I don't trust politicians with something so important but the casual way some people go about it is wrong. Tim. I do not hate myself, but I do see where the overarching clergy supported pedophilia or turned their back with knowledge or failed to challenge the support when it was discovered. Even us as members have not taken the church to task. Heck, if a politician was to react like that it would be on this site in 30 seconds and their support would immediately be ended. I understand the casual and dangerous ways of abortion and I have very personal thoughts and views on this subject and scourge in some areas. I find it alarming we have at least a good degree of agreement here. Wow. Maybe you are not such a bad guy after all. 😀
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 19, 2021 Posted June 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Niagara Bill said: I think it is possible to be devoted and disagree with these mear mortals. It also saddens me to hear of this decision. Unless things have changed since I went to CCD, independent thought wasn’t part of the equation and that’s in spite of numerous examples of at minimum conflicting ideals and more appropriately flat out hypocrisy. Abortion is a tough topic, while I hope everyone agrees it is a horrible process, with almost 8 billion people on earth, it’s hard to rationalize how it’s this amazing incredible miracle for a sperm to fertilize an egg after two people get together. The cold reality is Unwanted children that are forced into the world by law don’t have great odds at any kind of future. 2
Chef Jim Posted June 19, 2021 Posted June 19, 2021 13 hours ago, SectionC3 said: So much for love the sinner hate the sin. Hate hypocrisy hate the hypocrite is my motto. 1
SectionC3 Posted June 19, 2021 Posted June 19, 2021 52 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Hate hypocrisy hate the hypocrite is my motto. Probably a lot of self-loathing in your life. Sad.
Big Blitz Posted June 19, 2021 Author Posted June 19, 2021 The NFL and NFLPA lied and covered up the dangers of concussions for years. Totally think the players should shut up, follow protocol and take the experimental vaccine. If your standard for following the teachings, leadership, council, or whatever in society is "yea but you did some really shady and evil stuff before so I can ignore you," then society collapses. Suddenly there are very few institutions or people you should listen to. 1
reddogblitz Posted June 19, 2021 Posted June 19, 2021 It is somewhat hypocritical of the Catholic Church since Jesus preached about love the sinner, forgiveness etc. But it also seems odd that President Biden goes to their church and sits in the front row when he knows they think abortion is murder, and then works to further it in the world the other 6 days of the week. Some true mental gymnastics going on here.
sherpa Posted June 19, 2021 Posted June 19, 2021 55 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: It is somewhat hypocritical of the Catholic Church since Jesus preached about love the sinner, forgiveness etc. Not sure what your point is here. Forgiveness is based on admitting an activity is sinful, and seeking to eliminate it. The Catholic Church believes that abortion is eliminating human life. Continuing to support it does not meet the requirement for "forgiveness," your term.
reddogblitz Posted June 19, 2021 Posted June 19, 2021 21 minutes ago, sherpa said: Not sure what your point is here. Forgiveness is based on admitting an activity is sinful, and seeking to eliminate it. The Catholic Church believes that abortion is eliminating human life. Continuing to support it does not meet the requirement for "forgiveness," your term. Good point. I admit I picked that term rather haphazardly. However, there is still time. My main point was really the second paragraph. How does a man go to a notoriously anti abortion church, sit in the front row, take communion etc and then propose a budget striking down the Hyde Amendment the next day?
Sundancer Posted June 19, 2021 Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Good point. I admit I picked that term rather haphazardly. However, there is still time. My main point was really the second paragraph. How does a man go to a notoriously anti abortion church, sit in the front row, take communion etc and then propose a budget striking down the Hyde Amendment the next day? People are complicated. Anyone who is not a hypocrite about something is a liar. I loved my grandfather. My grandfather was a solid racist. Life isn’t simple. Edited June 19, 2021 by Sundancer
sherpa Posted June 19, 2021 Posted June 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, Wacka said: Because he is senile. Maybe because he is a career politician, wherein getting votes trumps ideological belief, when ideological belief might cost votes. It is theologically incongruent to claim to be Catholic and yet support abortion. The two cannot coexist. Biden is, first and foremost, a politician. His Catholic claim is a convenient exercise. You can't have it both ways. 2
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