Doc Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 No surprise. Not sure how/why anyone believed that the Pegulas were expecting the public to pay entirely for the stadium.
mjd1001 Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 16 hours ago, Doc said: Based on this. Take it up with the poster: I'm not here to 'take things up' with anyone and start heated discussions/arguments. My point is simply that very few stadiums generate that kind of money for the community, even in larger areas than Buffalo. There are countless articles written years after new stadiums have been build that look at those revenue 'projections' and study after study show they fall well short of giving the economic impact to the community that they were promised.
BuffaloBills1998 Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/bills-owners-committed-sharing-costs-142941386.html An executive from PSE came out and confirmed that the Pegulas never expected the taxpayers to front the cost. 5
BillMafia716ix Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 2 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/bills-owners-committed-sharing-costs-142941386.html An executive from PSE came out and confirmed that the Pegulas never expected the taxpayers to front the cost. I expect a brand new Pegula palace retractable roof stadium that will never close in OP by 2026 1
UConn James Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 18 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: I feel that a downtown stadium has more support than a dome ... Everybody who lives here knows a downtown stadium is probably out of the question And the dome is absolutely in the minority.. I think there's a better chance of a downtown stadium than a dome A dome in Buffalo is not happening... Not in a city and a fan base that embraces weather... Pittsburgh, New England, don't have domes, neither does Green Bay And buffalo embraces the weather as much of more than all of them My thing is that this stadium has to be built for the next 50+ years, and from everything we’re seeing and what’s predicted by those who are experts, climate patterns are changing and weather is getting more at the extremes. I’m in favor of a retractable roof so the place can be used year-round. As the NFL season gets games added, they’re gonna be playing into mid-January in regular season and into February for playoffs. If, as reported, they’re going to have a partial covering over seating (something akin to the old Dallas stadium) then why not do a retractable for the 10% of roof that’s left?
Buffalo716 Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 31 minutes ago, UConn James said: My thing is that this stadium has to be built for the next 50+ years, and from everything we’re seeing and what’s predicted by those who are experts, climate patterns are changing and weather is getting more at the extremes. I’m in favor of a retractable roof so the place can be used year-round. As the NFL season gets games added, they’re gonna be playing into mid-January in regular season and into February for playoffs. If, as reported, they’re going to have a partial covering over seating (something akin to the old Dallas stadium) then why not do a retractable for the 10% of roof that’s left? Our Winters in Buffalo are getting more mild.. literally didn't snow till like January this past winter You'll never get a purist to say football should be played in a dome.. it is a game for the elements Players coaches and fans embrace it, especially in buffalo The worst weather we have in Buffalo is technically the wind, and we absolutely can play football in wind We are not the snowiest NFL City, and there's ones above us that play outside 2
BuffaloBills1998 Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 https://www.buffalorumblings.com/platform/amp/2021/8/14/22624682/of-course-buffalo-bills-will-pay-part-of-new-stadium-cost
LeGOATski Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 I can't believe the Chicago Bears play in an open stadium. For chrissakes it's the Windy City and it darn right cold up there! What a short-sighted move by whoever built that crapheap. 😉
loyal2dagame Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 22 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: I can't believe the Chicago Bears play in an open stadium. For chrissakes it's the Windy City and it darn right cold up there! What a short-sighted move by whoever built that crapheap. 😉 In 1893, Charles A. Dana, an editor of the “New York Sun,” published an editorial calling Chicago a “windy city.” He did so in reference to the city's full-of-hot air politicians who were advocating and wooing organizers to hold the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition in the city instead of in New York. the real story behind "The Windy City" 💨💨💨 😉 3
purple haze Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 (edited) 22 hours ago, Simon said: I wouldn't really want to see a dome either and don't think it will happen. But make no mistake, this decision won't be made with the fans in mind, it will be made with money in mind. From what’s been reported it seems the decision is made. Open air-Orchard Park. It’s more cost effective. A roof adds hundreds of millions onto the cost. And the figure for a downtown stadium I saw in one of the articles, I believe Tim Graham’s in The Athletic, was 2.5 Billion. I was a proponent of a downtown stadium and that estimation changed my mind. Open air-Orchard Park is keeping fans in mind. That combo will significantly lessen the public expenditures some are already upset about. Edited August 14, 2021 by purple haze 1
Doc Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, purple haze said: From what’s been reported it seems the decision is made. Open air-Orchard Park. It’s more cost effective. A roof adds hundreds of millions onto the cost. And the figure for a downtown stadium I saw in one of the articles, I believe Tim Graham’s in The Athletic, was 2.5 Billion. I was a proponent of a downtown stadium and that estimation changed my mind. Open air-Orchard Park is keeping fans in mind. That combo will significantly lessen the public expenditures some are already upset about. As I asked earlier, what is the cost difference between the overhang they plan on installing to shield the fans, versus a roof? I doubt the overhang will be cheap. 1
LeGOATski Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, Doc said: As I asked earlier, what is the cost difference between the overhang they plan on installing to shield the fans, versus a roof? I doubt the overhang will be cheap. Where have you read about an overhang? Just curious.
LeGOATski Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 The overhang design makes sense and had me thinking about European soccer stadiums. Look at all these: https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-largest-stadiums-in-europe.html And that design is ideal for crowd noise amplification. It's like a big amplifier, whereas covered stadiums suck for noise because the sound waves bounce back and cancel out.
purple haze Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Doc said: As I asked earlier, what is the cost difference between the overhang they plan on installing to shield the fans, versus a roof? I doubt the overhang will be cheap. No idea what the cost difference is. But I imagine the overhang will be fixed. A retractable roof would have motorized mechanisms allowing it to open and close; and those mechanisms will require upkeep going forward. I would guess those factors would create a sizeable cost difference.
LeGOATski Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, purple haze said: No idea what the cost difference is. But I imagine the overhang will be fixed. A retractable roof would have motorized mechanisms allowing it to open and close; and those mechanisms will require upkeep going forward. I would guess those factors would create a sizeable cost difference. I bet the difference between an overhang and full roof isn't much, relatively speaking. The retractable roof is where cost skyrockets. I'd rather just have a retractable field, like the Cards have. I think Vikings might have that too now? Overall, the Cards stadium is very cool, but is super ugly from the outside.
purple haze Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: The overhang design makes sense and had me thinking about European soccer stadiums. Look at all these: https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-largest-stadiums-in-europe.html And that design is ideal for crowd noise amplification. It's like a big amplifier, whereas covered stadiums suck for noise because the sound waves bounce back and cancel out. My initial guess was a soccer style stadium, but downtown. It will be in OP, but I think the new joint will be in that style. 65,000 seats, a Bills museum, restroom stations in the parking lot, and video screens too.
Doc Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 12 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Where have you read about an overhang? Just curious. I believe it was in the Athletic article. 5 minutes ago, purple haze said: No idea what the cost difference is. But I imagine the overhang will be fixed. A retractable roof would have motorized mechanisms allowing it to open and close; and those mechanisms will require upkeep going forward. I would guess those factors would create a sizeable cost difference. A retractable roof is right out: they rarely ever get used and add significant cost. I'm talking about an overhand that covers the stands versus spending a little extra to fill in the remainder. 1
LeGOATski Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 I wonder how many Euro soccer fans complain about open-air stadiums. Like American football, European football is meant to be played outside.
Putin Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 I like the Hard Rock stadium in Miami I wouldn’t mind something similar to that in Orchard Park
purple haze Posted August 14, 2021 Posted August 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Doc said: I believe it was in the Athletic article. A retractable roof is right out: they rarely ever get used and add significant cost. I'm talking about an overhand that covers the stands versus spending a little extra to fill in the remainder. I misunderstood you. My bad. That said, I still have no idea, but I don’t see how it would be a big cost difference. I would hate to watch a game in a totally closed environment though. I could just stay home.
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