P Riv Posted July 14, 2021 Posted July 14, 2021 They don't have Brady, they definitely don't have anyone like Allen. What I've been saying is that they don't need that. Here's a look at QB play in Hoodie's past, all SB seasons except 93 which was still playoffs and at least one win: Gms att cpl cpl% yds ypc TD INT rtg 16 259 468 55.3 3,487 7.5 21 22 74.6 Simms 86 14 184 311 59.2 2,284 7.3 15 4 92.7 Simms 90 14 207 376 55.05 2575 6.9 16 18 70.7 Testaverde 94 16 314 522 60.15 3706 7.1 28 15 87.7 Bledsoe 96 14 264 413 2843 6.9 18 12 86.5 Brady 01 16 317 527 3620 6.9 23 12 85.9 Brady 03 Hoodie needs "good" QB play, not MVP or great. Them's the facts. They're going to contest the division... We'll win, but I'm not taking them lightly. 2 Quote
Greg S Posted July 14, 2021 Posted July 14, 2021 Just a prediction...Cam is the starter week 1 but Mac Jones takes over about mid season. Quote
Captain Hindsight Posted July 14, 2021 Posted July 14, 2021 On 7/14/2021 at 1:46 PM, P Riv said: They don't have Brady, they definitely don't have anyone like Allen. What I've been saying is that they don't need that. Here's a look at QB play in Hoodie's past, all SB seasons except 93 which was still playoffs and at least one win: Gms att cpl cpl% yds ypc TD INT rtg 16 259 468 55.3 3,487 7.5 21 22 74.6 Simms 86 14 184 311 59.2 2,284 7.3 15 4 92.7 Simms 90 14 207 376 55.05 2575 6.9 16 18 70.7 Testaverde 94 16 314 522 60.15 3706 7.1 28 15 87.7 Bledsoe 96 14 264 413 2843 6.9 18 12 86.5 Brady 01 16 317 527 3620 6.9 23 12 85.9 Brady 03 Hoodie needs "good" QB play, not MVP or great. Them's the facts. They're going to contest the division... We'll win, but I'm not taking them lightly. Expand You are pulling numbers from 1990 and 2003 to say that they can win like that today? Have you watched any football in the last 10 years? Those are Tyrod Taylor numbers. You get to 500 with that at best. We watched it here for 17 years cmon man 2 Quote
Captain Hindsight Posted July 14, 2021 Posted July 14, 2021 On 7/14/2021 at 1:27 AM, Success said: The Patriots offseason reminded me of us during the drought. Going kind of nuts in FA - getting all the headlines the 1st few days. Apparently getting some really good players and filling holes. But all for naught, because they DON'T HAVE A QB. Expand Getting the QB leftovers in the draft and FA and hoping they don't suck Quote
YoloinOhio Posted July 14, 2021 Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) On 7/14/2021 at 1:46 PM, P Riv said: They don't have Brady, they definitely don't have anyone like Allen. What I've been saying is that they don't need that. Here's a look at QB play in Hoodie's past, all SB seasons except 93 which was still playoffs and at least one win: Gms att cpl cpl% yds ypc TD INT rtg 16 259 468 55.3 3,487 7.5 21 22 74.6 Simms 86 14 184 311 59.2 2,284 7.3 15 4 92.7 Simms 90 14 207 376 55.05 2575 6.9 16 18 70.7 Testaverde 94 16 314 522 60.15 3706 7.1 28 15 87.7 Bledsoe 96 14 264 413 2843 6.9 18 12 86.5 Brady 01 16 317 527 3620 6.9 23 12 85.9 Brady 03 Hoodie needs "good" QB play, not MVP or great. Them's the facts. They're going to contest the division... We'll win, but I'm not taking them lightly. Expand I had to read this a few times to figure out what you are trying to say. I’m still not sure. Those QB stats tell like a fraction of the story with those teams, most of which he was simply a coordinator. He’s been to the playoffs once without Brady at the helm, and Brady then played through the playoffs. He’s had three seasons without him playing at all and while those teams weren’t all awful (except the first one), it wasn’t good either. IMO I would prefer that their team is decent this year, just outside making any real noise in the playoffs but not top 5 in the draft. because I like to see them in QB Purgatory, drafting too low for the top QBs. Bottoming out would actually help them. But belichick’s pride won’t let that happen. Edited July 14, 2021 by YoloinOhio 1 Quote
P Riv Posted July 15, 2021 Posted July 15, 2021 On 7/14/2021 at 1:53 PM, Captain Hindsight said: You are pulling numbers from 1990 and 2003 to say that they can win like that today? Have you watched any football in the last 10 years? Those are Tyrod Taylor numbers. You get to 500 with that at best. We watched it here for 17 years cmon man Expand Hoodie's teams usually rely on defense, special teams and competent QB play. Yeah I watched the last 10 years and apparently fans think there's a template that you need super star triplets (QB, WR, RB) to win. I posted QB's as far back as Simms because thats his influence, past and how Belichick operates. Those QBs didn't have awesome seasons in those years, they simply did what he asked (or what his mentor Parcells asked). Their defense and special teams are stacked this year. Their O-line is top 5, and they have talent and depth at TE. They have solid possession WRs now too. All that's missing is competent QB play, which may or may not happen and that's the biggest variable remaining. All I'm saying is last year wasn't some sort of trend, it was one season with all sorts of reasons to explain why it went the way it did. I'm not sleeping on them or underestimating what they have over there... I swear, any sort of reality check is like treason around here, its crazy. 1 1 Quote
Ghost_002! Posted July 15, 2021 Posted July 15, 2021 On 7/15/2021 at 1:49 PM, P Riv said: Hoodie's teams usually rely on defense, special teams and competent QB play. Yeah I watched the last 10 years and apparently fans think there's a template that you need super star triplets (QB, WR, RB) to win. I posted QB's as far back as Simms because thats his influence, past and how Belichick operates. Those QBs didn't have awesome seasons in those years, they simply did what he asked (or what his mentor Parcells asked). Their defense and special teams are stacked this year. Their O-line is top 5, and they have talent and depth at TE. They have solid possession WRs now too. All that's missing is competent QB play, which may or may not happen and that's the biggest variable remaining. All I'm saying is last year wasn't some sort of trend, it was one season with all sorts of reasons to explain why it went the way it did. I'm not sleeping on them or underestimating what they have over there... I swear, any sort of reality check is like treason around here, its crazy. Expand Agreed with everything you said. Quote
goober Posted July 15, 2021 Posted July 15, 2021 On 7/15/2021 at 4:48 PM, Ghost_002! said: Agreed with everything you said. Expand No need to kick him while he's down Quote
Don Otreply Posted July 15, 2021 Posted July 15, 2021 On 7/15/2021 at 4:48 PM, Ghost_002! said: Agreed with everything you said. Expand You’re a pats fan, 😂 Quote
Captain Hindsight Posted July 15, 2021 Posted July 15, 2021 On 7/15/2021 at 1:49 PM, P Riv said: Hoodie's teams usually rely on defense, special teams and competent QB play. Yeah I watched the last 10 years and apparently fans think there's a template that you need super star triplets (QB, WR, RB) to win. I posted QB's as far back as Simms because thats his influence, past and how Belichick operates. Those QBs didn't have awesome seasons in those years, they simply did what he asked (or what his mentor Parcells asked). Their defense and special teams are stacked this year. Their O-line is top 5, and they have talent and depth at TE. They have solid possession WRs now too. All that's missing is competent QB play, which may or may not happen and that's the biggest variable remaining. All I'm saying is last year wasn't some sort of trend, it was one season with all sorts of reasons to explain why it went the way it did. I'm not sleeping on them or underestimating what they have over there... I swear, any sort of reality check is like treason around here, its crazy. Expand Yes, this is what caused a 17 year playoff drought in Buffalo and Cleveland. The Bills led the league in rushing once and had 54 sacks another year and missed the playoffs both times. QB is the most important position and pulling Phil Simms stats to prove your point shows you don't have a logical point. Comparing how football was played in 1990 to 2021 is like comparing 1990 to 1959. Same 31 year gap Quote
May Day 10 Posted July 15, 2021 Posted July 15, 2021 Belichick was a defensive coordinator in 1986 and 1990, no? Quote
RoyBatty is alive Posted July 15, 2021 Posted July 15, 2021 On 7/14/2021 at 2:59 PM, YoloinOhio said: I had to read this a few times to figure out what you are trying to say. I’m still not sure. Those QB stats tell like a fraction of the story with those teams, most of which he was simply a coordinator. He’s been to the playoffs once without Brady at the helm, and Brady then played through the playoffs. He’s had three seasons without him playing at all and while those teams weren’t all awful (except the first one), it wasn’t good either. IMO I would prefer that their team is decent this year, just outside making any real noise in the playoffs but not top 5 in the draft. because I like to see them in QB Purgatory, drafting too low for the top QBs. Bottoming out would actually help them. But belichick’s pride won’t let that happen. Expand I also tried to figure it out but have given up, not sure what the point is, poster is trying to prove an agenda which is fine. Quote
Ghost_002! Posted July 15, 2021 Posted July 15, 2021 On 7/15/2021 at 7:05 PM, Don Otreply said: You’re a pats fan, 😂 Expand Fandom has nothing to do with making sense. 1 Quote
Buffalo716 Posted July 15, 2021 Posted July 15, 2021 On 7/15/2021 at 7:57 PM, Ghost_002! said: Fandom has nothing to do with making sense. Expand You're going to have a hard time making sense of the AFC East for the next 20 years bro The Patriots time has ended.. and you'll never get a Tom Brady again Quote
Ghost_002! Posted July 15, 2021 Posted July 15, 2021 (edited) On 7/15/2021 at 8:01 PM, Buffalo716 said: You're going to have a hard time making sense of the AFC East for the next 20 years bro The Patriots time has ended.. and you'll never get a Tom Brady again Expand ha ha. Yes and you know exactly how the next 20 years are going to go right? Edited July 15, 2021 by Ghost_002! Quote
Buffalo716 Posted July 15, 2021 Posted July 15, 2021 On 7/15/2021 at 8:03 PM, Ghost_002! said: ha ha. Yes and you know exactly how the next 20 years are going to do right? Expand The bills have one of the best young quarterbacks in the NFL and a good young head coach You do realize we stuck through the team through dog s*** for 20 years? Anything positive is gravy.. after three straight losing seasons, people will just be calling themselves Celtics and sox fans again in Boston Quote
CommonCents Posted July 15, 2021 Posted July 15, 2021 On 7/14/2021 at 1:51 PM, Greg S said: Just a prediction...Cam is the starter week 1 but Mac Jones takes over about mid season. Expand That seems to be the popular opinion. I agree. Quote
P Riv Posted July 15, 2021 Posted July 15, 2021 (edited) On 7/15/2021 at 7:51 PM, RoyBatty is alive said: I also tried to figure it out but have given up, not sure what the point is, poster is trying to prove an agenda which is fine. Expand Agenda? This thread Patriots QBs suck and the underlying metric is Josh Allen. The point is clear, Hoodie has a recipe for QBs that goes back 30+ years and hasn't changed: They upgraded their whole roster, I'm not underestimating them unlike most people here. Edited July 15, 2021 by P Riv Quote
PatsFanNH Posted July 15, 2021 Posted July 15, 2021 On 7/14/2021 at 1:53 PM, Captain Hindsight said: You are pulling numbers from 1990 and 2003 to say that they can win like that today? Have you watched any football in the last 10 years? Those are Tyrod Taylor numbers. You get to 500 with that at best. We watched it here for 17 years cmon man Expand First your team sucked for so long because you had terrible HC and terrible GM’s. BB went 7-9 with a QB EVERYONE knew couldn’t throw anymore. Quote
Don Otreply Posted July 15, 2021 Posted July 15, 2021 (edited) On 7/15/2021 at 7:57 PM, Ghost_002! said: Fandom has nothing to do with making sense. Expand Pats fans making sense, Bwahahahahaha, okay Casper, whatever ya gotta tell yourself, 😂 Edited July 15, 2021 by Don Otreply Quote
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