machine gun kelly Posted June 5, 2021 Posted June 5, 2021 Not exactly smart for anyone over 30 to mess with their team in a year where the cap goes down and just about everyone but Watt took pay cuts to stay or move to another team. There was 800 or so one year contracts. All of these guys, Ertz, Jones, Julio are going to lose $ in the long run.
Simon Says Posted June 5, 2021 Posted June 5, 2021 11 hours ago, The_Ripster said: Cardinals could face Chandler Jones holdout with no contract extension (usatoday.com) Chandler Jones, 31 (one year younger than Julio), has yet to show up at an offseason practice (like Julio), despite living year-round near the facility. This is a team leader who has done nothing but represent the team with class on and off the field, and someone who could be held up as an example to others. Yet he is a no-show. Oh, and he deleted every reference to the Cardinals from his social media, a telltale indicator if there ever was one. And he hasn't put anything back. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/why-julio-jones-may-not-be-only-blockbuster-jones-trade-on-nfl-horizon-cardinals-sack-star-deserves-more/ https://cardswire.usatoday.com/2021/05/26/chandler-jones-contract-extension-holdout-possibility/ Jones is a monster.. wonder if Jerry and a first would pry him loose from AZ https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JoneCh03.htm Take on his 15 million dollar salary? Even if they buy into your fantasy and agree to take Hughes:it would use up almost all of Buffalo's available cap space. That would mean no Ertz, or Nelson/ Breeland. After signing Obada,then drafting Basham and Rousseau: no thanks.
Chicken Boo Posted June 5, 2021 Posted June 5, 2021 7 hours ago, John from Riverside said: So this is def worth discussion....but didnt we basically draft a younger version of him with our 1st round pick? We hope. 2015-2019 Chandler Jones had 60 sacks in 64 games for AZ.
NewEra Posted June 5, 2021 Posted June 5, 2021 11 hours ago, Doc said: He's done. 11, 17, 13, 19 sacks.....then tears his bicep....and he’s now done?
Doc Posted June 5, 2021 Posted June 5, 2021 26 minutes ago, NewEra said: 11, 17, 13, 19 sacks.....then tears his bicep....and he’s now done? He had 1 sack in the 4-1/2 games last year he did play last year, is on the wrong side of 31 and now coming back from a significant injury.
wppete Posted June 5, 2021 Posted June 5, 2021 He is expensive but would love to see him in the Bills roster. He’s a baller.
Doc Posted June 5, 2021 Posted June 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, wppete said: He is expensive but would love to see him in the Bills roster. He’s a baller. The things I mentioned above are the reason why I wouldn't bother with him. On top of that he's looking to get paid and it would cost a draft pick to get him. Hard pass. 1 1
NewEra Posted June 5, 2021 Posted June 5, 2021 18 minutes ago, Doc said: He had 1 sack in the 4-1/2 games last year he did play last year, is on the wrong side of 31 and now coming back from a significant injur 4.5 games vs an entire career of dominance suggests that you’re overreacting. The previous season, he had 19 sacks. Not 10-13. 19......that’s elite. So one year older and one injury and he’s gone from elite.....to done. So now that he’s “done”, how many sacks do you think he’ll this year? I don’t believe he’s a target for us because of his contract and it looks as if the drafting of pass rushers Rousseau and Basham + allen contract will work in unison to keep out cap as manageable going forward. 1
The_Ripster Posted June 5, 2021 Author Posted June 5, 2021 17 minutes ago, Doc said: The things I mentioned above are the reason why I wouldn't bother with him. On top of that he's looking to get paid and it would cost a draft pick to get him. Hard pass. Would you do it for Hughes+Addison+3rd pick? That shuffles 10 mill to the cards, we take on Jones' 15 mill and have the possibility to extend his contract. I'm not too familiar with the NFL's rules about restructuring a contract that a team has traded for, but if that were possible could be pretty sweet. Get Jones then turn the 15 mill this year into 2 years at 7.5 mill and extend him...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted June 5, 2021 Posted June 5, 2021 17 hours ago, The_Ripster said: Cardinals could face Chandler Jones holdout with no contract extension (usatoday.com) Chandler Jones, 31 (one year younger than Julio), has yet to show up at an offseason practice (like Julio), despite living year-round near the facility. This is a team leader who has done nothing but represent the team with class on and off the field, and someone who could be held up as an example to others. Yet he is a no-show. Oh, and he deleted every reference to the Cardinals from his social media, a telltale indicator if there ever was one. And he hasn't put anything back. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/why-julio-jones-may-not-be-only-blockbuster-jones-trade-on-nfl-horizon-cardinals-sack-star-deserves-more/ https://cardswire.usatoday.com/2021/05/26/chandler-jones-contract-extension-holdout-possibility/ Jones is a monster.. wonder if Jerry and a first would pry him loose from AZ https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JoneCh03.htm If you go browsing in the black market, let me know if you find my kidney. 1
The_Ripster Posted June 5, 2021 Author Posted June 5, 2021 21 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: If you go browsing in the black market, let me know if you find my kidney. No kidney's, only Chandler Jones's... weird right?
Doc Posted June 5, 2021 Posted June 5, 2021 2 hours ago, The_Ripster said: Would you do it for Hughes+Addison+3rd pick? That shuffles 10 mill to the cards, we take on Jones' 15 mill and have the possibility to extend his contract. I'm not too familiar with the NFL's rules about restructuring a contract that a team has traded for, but if that were possible could be pretty sweet. Get Jones then turn the 15 mill this year into 2 years at 7.5 mill and extend him... I wouldn't trade for him for the reasons mentioned, much less extend him. He has 1 year left on his contract for $15.5M in base salary and wants a new deal. He's not staying away from the Cardinals and a $15.5M salary and signing with another team to spread out that amount over 2 seasons. He wants a longer-term extension for at least $15.5M/year.
transient Posted June 5, 2021 Posted June 5, 2021 1 hour ago, The_Ripster said: No kidney's, only Chandler Jones's... weird right? Chandler Jones’s what? He might need whatever it is back. I’m sure the kidney is glad whatever it is didn’t belong to it. 1
BillsFanForever19 Posted June 5, 2021 Posted June 5, 2021 2 hours ago, The_Ripster said: Would you do it for Hughes+Addison+3rd pick? Get Jones then turn the 15 mill this year into 2 years at 7.5 mill and extend him... First off, as mentioned above, he's on a 15 mil 1 year deal right now and holding out on it. How does it make any sense that he'd accept a 50% pay cut on a deal he's already not happy with? Secondly, Addison isn't going anywhere. He took a paycut to stay here. And Beane has never in his tenure told a player "if you want to stay here, we need you to take a cut" and then come back to say "thanks for working with us, but you're still out of here". Not even with guys he won't use like Tyler Kroft. It's a bad look to the locker room team building and trust in their "process" Even after the Draft when people speculated he might do it this time, he doubled down in the post-Draft press conference saying Addison won't be going anywhere and that his mentoring and leadership of the young guys will be important in their growth. Was even commenting on how he planned to use Addison and his snap counts going forward to maximize his impact. Long story short - the Defensive End position has been addressed this offseason. In multiple moves. As it is, we may have to move on from Efe Obada from a pure numbers standpoint. You may question how Beane has addressed the position and how much impact Rousseau and Basham will make in Year One. But that's how he went about it. Rousseau, Basham, perhaps Obada, and the growth of Epenesa in his second year is what he's hanging his hat on. We cannot and should not even do due diligence into a move for Chandler Jones. 1
Southern_Bills Posted June 5, 2021 Posted June 5, 2021 If it could get done for a 2nd maybe, Atlanta won't even get a 1st for Julio. I wouldn't give up a 1st, but a 2nd yes.
Doc Posted June 5, 2021 Posted June 5, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, NewEra said: 4.5 games vs an entire career of dominance suggests that you’re overreacting. The previous season, he had 19 sacks. Not 10-13. 19......that’s elite. So one year older and one injury and he’s gone from elite.....to done. So now that he’s “done”, how many sacks do you think he’ll this year? I don’t believe he’s a target for us because of his contract and it looks as if the drafting of pass rushers Rousseau and Basham + allen contract will work in unison to keep out cap as manageable going forward. Prior career means little when you're talking about aging players who can decline from getting older and especially coming off injury. If Jones were, say, 27, it would be a far different story. And 1 sack in 4.5 games works-out to 3.5 over a season. Maybe he gets more, maybe he gets less. The point is it isn't worth spending a ton of money and a draft pick to take a gamble that least year was a complete fluke and he'll be the player he was prior to his 30s. Edited June 5, 2021 by Doc 2
BillsFanForever19 Posted June 5, 2021 Posted June 5, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Doc said: Prior career means little when you're talking about agings players who can decline from getting older and especially coming off injury. If Jones were, say, 27, it would be a far different story. And 1 sack in 4.5 games works-out to 3.5 over a season. Maybe he gets more, maybe he gets less. The point is it isn't worth spending a ton of money and a draft pick to take a gamble that least year was a complete fluke and he'll be the player he was prior to his 30s. Seems there's a lot of folks around here who feel that both our 1st and our 2nd will provide nothing in Year 1 and are essentially red shirts 🙄 Baffles me that everyone is counting out both our top picks, are closed off to the idea that Epenesa could improve, AND feel both Hughes and Addison provide nothing. Edited June 5, 2021 by BillsFanForever19 1
BarleyNY Posted June 5, 2021 Posted June 5, 2021 2 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: If you go browsing in the black market, let me know if you find my kidney. Your kidney? Well this is awkward.
The_Ripster Posted June 5, 2021 Author Posted June 5, 2021 Lots of well articulated thoughts and opinions in here! Thank you all for sharing ur input about the pass rushing situation and ur feelings about whether going after another elite caliber QB killer is worth it for this team. 😎
Augie Posted June 5, 2021 Posted June 5, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Doc said: The things I mentioned above are the reason why I wouldn't bother with him. On top of that he's looking to get paid and it would cost a draft pick to get him. Hard pass. I totally get the argument that we are in our SB window and one guy could make a huge difference. I just happen to lean toward using our cap space and draft picks on developing our own young guys who come much cheaper than a “name player vet” for a season or two. If Jones wants $15 mil+ over more years than he’s worth that, we’d be spending a lot of money that could go towards Josh and some of the other guys we are developing in-house. I want to “win now”, but I also want to build a team that can stay at or near the top for the long term. Having said all that, I just LOVE that Chandler Jones has demonstrated to the world how incredibly fallible The Great Belichick is! . Edited June 5, 2021 by Augie 1
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