Critical Race Theory

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

I have to agree...unless I missed something, the questions seemed fairly innocent enough...

I’m a parent of two.  God knows I advocate for my kids.  But this is different.  You show me where an elementary or secondary school is actually teaching CRT I’ll listen.  But they aren’t.   You have people exploiting kids, sometimes their own, to make a political point.  Shameful.

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

I’m a parent of two.  God knows I advocate for my kids.  But this is different.  You show me where an elementary or secondary school is actually teaching CRT I’ll listen.  But they aren’t.   You have people exploiting kids, sometimes their own, to make a political point.  Shameful.

Let’s say that’s true. Would rather parents wait until the damage is done to their kids or speak up BEFOREHAND? I’m happy parents are speaking up. Cut this off at the pass.

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

Let’s say that’s true. Would you rather parents wait until the damage is done to their kids or speak up BEFOREHAND? I’m happy parents are speaking up. Cut this off at the pass.

 

[Irv]

2 hours ago, BillStime said:

Classic @Deranged Rhino

 

 

Again.  Please try to stay on topic.  Not every thread is about Trump.  What a mess

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Let’s say that’s true. Would rather parents wait until the damage is done to their kids or speak up BEFOREHAND? I’m happy parents are speaking up. Cut this off at the pass.

 

No.  We have an ex-teacher invading our local high school calling for parents to go after teachers by name because they have signs in their classrooms saying you have to wear masks (note:  these are from last year, teachers haven’t come back yet).  A guy showed up at a school board meeting and a loaded gun fell out of his pocket.  And it’s all because of this manufactured CRT nonsense; it has started nonsense not just limited to CRT.

The district is not teaching CRT.  They have no plans to do so.  They have said this repeatedly.  But some parents egged on by this quasi-organization led by some lawyer in Chicago keep on this because they want to use kids to play politics.

 

Your question of what if it were true is misplaced.  It’s not true, bottom line.  If there were something as a parent I found wrong, I’d do what I’ve done a couple times.  Request a meeting with the teacher, then theoretically the principal, then the superintendent, and then the school board if I felt I needed to.  And only one time did I not get a satisfactory answer from a parent and have to have an associate principal get involved.  
 

 

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

I just looked through the entire survey.  There is not one question - zero - that relates to critical race theory.  Not one question even hints at trying to convince white kids that black kids hate them, which is what people try to claim.  None.  Nada.  Zip.  Goose egg.

 

There are a couple that point a bit towards diversity, equity, and inclusion.  All ideas that look towards brining people closer together.  
 

Parents are using their kids to push some kind of ridiculous political agenda.

You're correct as far as I can tell after going through the whole survey.  The only real controversial question has to do with gender identity which isn't at all related to CRT.

[SoCal Deek]

7 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

No.  We have an ex-teacher invading our local high school calling for parents to go after teachers by name because they have signs in their classrooms saying you have to wear masks (note:  these are from last year, teachers haven’t come back yet).  A guy showed up at a school board meeting and a loaded gun fell out of his pocket.  And it’s all because of this manufactured CRT nonsense; it has started nonsense not just limited to CRT.

The district is not teaching CRT.  They have no plans to do so.  They have said this repeatedly.  But some parents egged on by this quasi-organization led by some lawyer in Chicago keep on this because they want to use kids to play politics.

 

Your question of what if it were true is misplaced.  It’s not true, bottom line.  If there were something as a parent I found wrong, I’d do what I’ve done a couple times.  Request a meeting with the teacher, then theoretically the principal, then the superintendent, and then the school board if I felt I needed to.  And only one time did I not get a satisfactory answer from a parent and have to have an associate principal get involved.  
 

 

Sure, if you say so. I think I’m going to back the parents. Everyone needs to stay civil and respectful but the parents have the right to address their school board. And, this is NOT an issue you bring up with the teacher. This is curriculum issue, which your child’s teacher doesn’t either control or direct. (Trust me, I work with and around public education.)

[oldmanfan]

16 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Sure, if you say so. I think I’m going to back the parents. Everyone needs to stay civil and respectful but the parents have the right to address their school board. And, this is NOT an issue you bring up with the teacher. This is curriculum issue, which your child’s teacher doesn’t either control or direct. (Trust me, I work with and around public education.)

Then you bring it up to the principal and/or superintendent and school board.  And they have said repeatedly to parents that CRT is not part of the curriculum.  But yet parents still disrupt board meetings, carry guns into them, etc.  It is ridiculous.

 

Let's extend your logic a bit.  Say I decide that I think the school is teaching my kids that gay people are nicer than straight people, and because of that all people should become gay.  You pick  whatever fantasy you want to dream up.  There is no actual evidence whatsoever that this is so of course, much like there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that the school district teaches CRT, but I decide it is so.  So I band together a group of parents who also believe in fantasies, and I go to school board meetings and completely disrupt things so that the actual business of taking care of education in my town is halted.  You think this is the right way to do things?  Seriously?

[SoCal Deek]

17 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Then you bring it up to the principal and/or superintendent and school board.  And they have said repeatedly to parents that CRT is not part of the curriculum.  But yet parents still disrupt board meetings, carry guns into them, etc.  It is ridiculous.

 

Let's extend your logic a bit.  Say I decide that I think the school is teaching my kids that gay people are nicer than straight people, and because of that all people should become gay.  You pick  whatever fantasy you want to dream up.  There is no actual evidence whatsoever that this is so of course, much like there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that the school district teaches CRT, but I decide it is so.  So I band together a group of parents who also believe in fantasies, and I go to school board meetings and completely disrupt things so that the actual business of taking care of education in my town is halted.  You think this is the right way to do things?  Seriously?

I already said that’s not the way to conduct things. But the actual protocol is to address the Board who then direct their Superintendent to meet with the parent(s). It’s really simple and attending as many school board meetings as I do I think you’d find that it happens all the time. I’m guessing that the school district isn’t following protocol and they’re either not answering the parents legitimate questions or being utterly evasive in their responses. It’s my experience that outraged people don’t just suddenly show up at a board meeting. Something, often many things, has led them to seek the venue of last resort. 

Edited August 13, 2021 by SoCal Deek

[Orlando Buffalo]

8 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

No.  We have an ex-teacher invading our local high school calling for parents to go after teachers by name because they have signs in their classrooms saying you have to wear masks (note:  these are from last year, teachers haven’t come back yet).  A guy showed up at a school board meeting and a loaded gun fell out of his pocket.  And it’s all because of this manufactured CRT nonsense; it has started nonsense not just limited to CRT.

The district is not teaching CRT.  They have no plans to do so.  They have said this repeatedly.  But some parents egged on by this quasi-organization led by some lawyer in Chicago keep on this because they want to use kids to play politics.

 

Your question of what if it were true is misplaced.  It’s not true, bottom line.  If there were something as a parent I found wrong, I’d do what I’ve done a couple times.  Request a meeting with the teacher, then theoretically the principal, then the superintendent, and then the school board if I felt I needed to.  And only one time did I not get a satisfactory answer from a parent and have to have an associate principal get involved.  
 

 

Your comment that CRT is not real is stupid, and I don't use it lightly. Buffalo city schools adopted the 1619 project as the basis for their history ciriculuum, which is not history but a narrative. It might not be that widespread but it is a problem that was becoming worse and now is being stopped in it's track. As for the parents that are using their kids as political pawns, I don't respect them but when I am told math is racist roots- which I have been told - I get pissed at intentional ignorance.

[oldmanfan]

37 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Your comment that CRT is not real is stupid, and I don't use it lightly. Buffalo city schools adopted the 1619 project as the basis for their history ciriculuum, which is not history but a narrative. It might not be that widespread but it is a problem that was becoming worse and now is being stopped in it's track. As for the parents that are using their kids as political pawns, I don't respect them but when I am told math is racist roots- which I have been told - I get pissed at intentional ignorance.

It is not that it is not real, it is that it is not being taught in the curriculum of the secondary schools that I know of.   Kids are truly being used as pawns by their parents.

58 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I already said that’s not the way to conduct things. But the actual protocol is to address the Board who then direct their Superintendent to meet with the parent(s). It’s really simple and attending as many school board meetings as I do I think you’d find that it happens all the time. I’m guessing that the school district isn’t following protocol and they’re either not answering the parents legitimate questions or being utterly evasive in their responses. It’s my experience that outraged people don’t just suddenly show up at a board meeting. Something, often many things, has led them to seek the venue of last resort. 

Sorry, but wrong again.  I was at the meeting in my district.  You are asked to contact the board to put items on the agenda, and are asked to contact the board to speak during open discussion times.  Two meetings I went to were hijacked by parents who had done neither.  And then they of course left before the superintendent could address their nonsense.  His response, showing that CRT is not part of the curriculum, was not heard and ignored thereafter by the parent group that seeks to use their own children to play a political game.  

 

I suspect this is happening all over the country.

[Chef Jim]

40 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Your comment that CRT is not real is stupid, and I don't use it lightly. Buffalo city schools adopted the 1619 project as the basis for their history ciriculuum, which is not history but a narrative. It might not be that widespread but it is a problem that was becoming worse and now is being stopped in it's track. As for the parents that are using their kids as political pawns, I don't respect them but when I am told math is racist roots- which I have been told - I get pissed at intentional ignorance.

I disagree. 1619 is history.   But to use that date to push the narrative as you said does not belong.  I have no problem with CRT just as I have no problem with Einstein’s theory of relativity.  But what is interesting in bringing up Einstein’s theory is what is the relevance of the narrating that CRT will likely bring into the growth of our chiller.  

5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

It is not that it is not real, it is that it is not being taught in the curriculum of the secondary schools that I know of.   Kids are truly being used as pawns by their parents.

And teachers and politicians. 

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

I disagree. 1619 is history.   But to use that date to push the narrative as you said does not belong.  I have no problem with CRT just as I have no problem with Einstein’s theory of relativity.  But what is interesting in bringing up Einstein’s theory is what is the relevance of the narrating that CRT will likely bring into the growth of our chiller.  

And teachers and politicians. 

I would agree with the teachers and politicians on both sides of the aisle.  I just looked at the Buffalo schools 1619 initiative.  It teaches history.  Not CRT, history.  And history that I never got when I was a kid.  Slavery is unfortunately a part of our history.  

[Chef Jim]

16 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I would agree with the teachers and politicians on both sides of the aisle.  I just looked at the Buffalo schools 1619 initiative.  It teaches history.  Not CRT, history.  And history that I never got when I was a kid.  Slavery is unfortunately a part of our history.  

If you think 1619 is only about history you’ve not been paying attention.  It is history in basis but often used to push a narrative. 
 

You were never taught about slavery in school?  😏

Edited August 13, 2021 by Chef Jim

[Orlando Buffalo]

18 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

It is not that it is not real, it is that it is not being taught in the curriculum of the secondary schools that I know of.  

If you mean it is not the primary ciriculuum for most of the country that is correct, but it should not be allowed to ever be used. Buffalo is going to be teaching there children many things that are not true based on the choices they made. This is the other side of the old history books that discussed how wonderful life was for slaves, no more accurate 

[oldmanfan]

8 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

If you think 1619 is only about history you’ve not been paying attention.  It is history in basis but often used to push a narrative. 
 

You were never taught about slavery in school?  😏

Slavery, yes.  Specifics such as what happened in New Orleans and Tulsa, no.

[Orlando Buffalo]

29 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I would agree with the teachers and politicians on both sides of the aisle.  I just looked at the Buffalo schools 1619 initiative.  It teaches history.  Not CRT, history.  And history that I never got when I was a kid.  Slavery is unfortunately a part of our history.  

I’ve always said that the 1619 Project is not a history. It is a work of journalism that explicitly seeks to challenge the national narrative and, therefore, the national memory. The project has always been as much about the present as it is the past.”

 

I think this quote shows it is not a history.

 

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I’ve always said that the 1619 Project is not a history. It is a work of journalism that explicitly seeks to challenge the national narrative and, therefore, the national memory. The project has always been as much about the present as it is the past.”

 

I think this quote shows it is not a history.

 

And where does this quote come from?

[Orlando Buffalo]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

And where does this quote come from?

Sorry that is key- Nikole Hannah-Jones who is the person who produced the 1619 project. 

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Sorry that is key- Nikole Hannah-Jones who is the person who produced the 1619 project. 

And a very telling quote. Thanks for sharing. 

Again all these things have very little, if anything, to do with history. 

[SoCal Deek]

There’s an awful lot of you tossing around the term 1619 Project on here that repeat phrases without knowing virtually anything about what they mean. History? My fat arse!!