Critical Race Theory

[SoCal Deek]

49 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Where did I say that?  Don’t be ridiculous.  My daughters each have friends that are African-American that live in my town, and upper middle class town where over 90% of the population is white.  When I talk to these kids they tell me they get pulled over a lot and for no reason.  That’s reality.

 

Your comment just shows why this issue will likely never be resolved.  Instead of a honest dialog you take things and throw them wildly out of proportion.

 

 

So all you can do is deny and not face the fact this happens.  You’re the problem, not me.

And throwing around the Marxist label.  Another classic deflection.

So you tell me then? Why are they being pulled over? Because of racism? Or is it because the police are making a judgment call based on their professional experience? I’m guessing it’s more likely the latter. Is it nice? Is it pretty? No…it’s not. It may be profiling…but it isn’t racism! There’s a difference. 

[B-Man]

 

Biden Caves on Critical Theories Grant After Parents Push Back

by Stacey Lennox

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2021/07/18/biden-doe-ditches-prioritizing-critical-theories-in-a-grant-program-after-comment-period-n1462721

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Ben Carson: Critical Race Theory Is About Creating Division and Strife That Allows Control

by Kristina Wong

 

Former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson slammed the teaching of Critical Race Theory to children during a speech at Turning Point USA’s Student Action Summit on Sunday.“Critical race theory, the 1619 Project, what is that really about? It’s about dividing people. It’s about creating the kind of division and strife that allows control.

 

We’ve all heard the phrase, ‘divide and conquer.’ That’s what it’s about,” he said.

 

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/07/18/ben-carson-critical-race-theory-about-creating-division-strife-allows-control/

 

 

 

 

 

 

Will CRT Flip Congress in 2022?

by David Catron

 

The greatest danger facing the Democrats in the 2022 midterms has little to do with the state election reforms that President Biden has ridiculously compared to Jim Crow. It is instead the increasing frustration of parents who don’t want their children force-fed critical race theory.

 

The advocates of CRT insist that it is nothing more than an arcane academic discipline that isn’t taught to K-12 students. That was proven false this month by the American Federation of Teachers (AFT) and the National Education Association (NEA). Both unions clearly intend to infect the nation’s schoolchildren with this toxic ideology despite the angry objections of their parents.

 

https://spectator.org/crt-congress-2022/

 

 

 

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[oldmanfan]

35 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

So you tell me then? Why are they being pulled over? Because of racism? Or is it because the police are making a judgment call based on their professional experience? I’m guessing it’s more likely the latter. Is it nice? Is it pretty? No…it’s not. It may be profiling…but it isn’t racism! There’s a difference. 

Because they are black kids in a predominantly white town.  You can call it profiling if you want; that’s another way of saying racism.  Nice you took out the reference to slavery since you realize that was off base.

[SoCal Deek]

36 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Because they are black kids in a predominantly white town.  You can call it profiling if you want; that’s another way of saying racism.  Nice you took out the reference to slavery since you realize that was off base.

No….it’s profiling. Now profiling is another debate altogether but I certainly understand why it’s done. As regards to slavery, I meant what I said. Police aren’t stopping black kids because they think of them as freed slaves. This has nothing to do with the historical events that CRT seems to want to call attention. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

13 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Because they are black kids in a predominantly white town.  You can call it profiling if you want; that’s another way of saying racism.  Nice you took out the reference to slavery since you realize that was off base.

Right or wrong Cops are taught to observe for specific types of "suspicious" behavior and activity.  From the cops mind set you look like "you don't belong here" and that creates suspicion". 

 

My buddy Stan, who is black, was leaving the office late a few years ago and got pulled over about 1/2 mile down the road after exiting the office parking lot.  Our office is located in an area with multi-million dollar homes owned by very well compensated members of the corporate executive class.  If you go out at lunchtime into the shopping areas, especially in the Summer, you can observe the corporate wives going in and out of the stores and workout places coming and going in their Escalades, Range Rovers, and other hi-end SUV's.  Though I must say in my encounters with them I found them to be quite pleasant people and not what I expected based on expected stereotypes.  But back to the main theme. 

So a black man driving around late on a week night in an exclusive mostly-white community where the cops haven't fired a weapon in active service since the War of 1812?  Cops think "you don't belong here". There you have it.  They asked a bunch of questions, where satisfied with the answers, and let him go.

 

I got pulled over in Buffalo many years ago for "no reason".  Visiting friends for a couple days.  Driving a car with out-of-state plates at 2 AM in the morning on a week night.  Cops think "you don't belong here".  They asked a bunch of questions, where satisfied, and let me go.

 

In my youth I made a trip to Toronto to connect with a friend that moved up to Canada, to Oakville I recall, got us all tickets to a concert.  The next day after partying most of the night we went out into the downtown area, Yonge Street, and did some walking around before we left to cross back to the U.S.  Everyone else I'm with goes into some store and I wait outside wanting some cool air.  Looking all hung over and a little messy two Toronto cops approach me and start asking questions.  What's you're name, you have ID, what are you doing here.  Because the cops think "you don't belong here".  I answer their questions, they are satisfied with the answer, and the continue their patrol, and I leave.

 

Somebody I worked with on a job years ago used to work for US Customs at the border. There are three of us talking with him.  He says if he was working Customs and didn't know us he would question us because of our appearance.  "Your black, you have a scraggly beard, and you have long hair" and "all three of you are young men" we are told.   

[Irv]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Interesting points.  From a private employer perspective, you educate your employees on DEI (and not CRT, let's not artificially conflate the two), because it helps you in the marketplace.  A more inclusive workforce attracts the most talent and as such should improve your bottom line.  From an educational perspective, the school system in my town just added a DEI officer; they did so primarily in response to reports of bullying and racist actions by students.  From a broader educational perspective, educators should not be afraid in introducing difficult concepts in class and having students discuss them.  I think CRT does not belong in secondary schools as the content is more complex than should be taken on there, but certainly in college and grad school. 

 

Should we legislate against how an individual feels about another individual?  No, and even if I thought we should it would be impossible logistically.  But individuals that act out on their anger or feelings can do harm to others, and then the legal system takes over.  I'd prefer it if things did not have to get to that extreme.  

 

One more thing.  Training on things like DEI is educational, it is not indoctrination and such.

I have no reason to disbelieve them.  They're good kids.

 

DEI?  Dale Earnhardt Incorporated?

 

 

 

Edited July 19, 2021 by Irv

[oldmanfan]

5 hours ago, Irv said:

 

DEI?  Dale Earnhardt Incorporated?

 

 

 

Try again

[Irv]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

Try again

 

Don't Engage Idiots?

[TH3]

7 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

So you tell me then? Why are they being pulled over? Because of racism? Or is it because the police are making a judgment call based on their professional experience? I’m guessing it’s more likely the latter. Is it nice? Is it pretty? No…it’s not. It may be profiling…but it isn’t racism! There’s a difference. 

White guy says what?

 

[oldmanfan]

6 minutes ago, Irv said:

 

Don't Engage Idiots?

To quote a trite phrase used far too often around here with respect to your attempt to be cute:  What a mess

[Chef Jim]

3 minutes ago, TH3 said:

White guy says what?

 

What?

[unbillievable]

Can someone explain to me how a vehicle looks Black, Asian, or White?

 

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, unbillievable said:

Can someone explain to me how a vehicle looks Black, Asian, or White?

 

Trust me they do.  😂😂😂

[Irv]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

To quote a trite phrase used far too often around here with respect to your attempt to be cute:  What a mess

 

Democrats Ensuring Insolvency? 

[SoCal Deek]

22 minutes ago, TH3 said:

White guy says what?

 

Excuse me? So now nobody can comment on the obvious because of their skin color?  That's really going to limit the conversation....but I guess that's what you want, right?  Keep stoking that 'ol racism narrative! 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

6 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Right or wrong Cops are taught to observe for specific types of "suspicious" behavior and activity.  From the cops mind set you look like "you don't belong here" and that creates suspicion". 

 

My buddy Stan, who is black, was leaving the office late a few years ago and got pulled over about 1/2 mile down the road after exiting the office parking lot.  Our office is located in an area with multi-million dollar homes owned by very well compensated members of the corporate executive class.  If you go out at lunchtime into the shopping areas, especially in the Summer, you can observe the corporate wives going in and out of the stores and workout places coming and going in their Escalades, Range Rovers, and other hi-end SUV's.  Though I must say in my encounters with them I found them to be quite pleasant people and not what I expected based on expected stereotypes.  But back to the main theme. 

So a black man driving around late on a week night in an exclusive mostly-white community where the cops haven't fired a weapon in active service since the War of 1812?  Cops think "you don't belong here". There you have it.  They asked a bunch of questions, where satisfied with the answers, and let him go.

 

I got pulled over in Buffalo many years ago for "no reason".  Visiting friends for a couple days.  Driving a car with out-of-state plates at 2 AM in the morning on a week night.  Cops think "you don't belong here".  They asked a bunch of questions, where satisfied, and let me go.

 

In my youth I made a trip to Toronto to connect with a friend that moved up to Canada, to Oakville I recall, got us all tickets to a concert.  The next day after partying most of the night we went out into the downtown area, Yonge Street, and did some walking around before we left to cross back to the U.S.  Everyone else I'm with goes into some store and I wait outside wanting some cool air.  Looking all hung over and a little messy two Toronto cops approach me and start asking questions.  What's you're name, you have ID, what are you doing here.  Because the cops think "you don't belong here".  I answer their questions, they are satisfied with the answer, and the continue their patrol, and I leave.

 

Somebody I worked with on a job years ago used to work for US Customs at the border. There are three of us talking with him.  He says if he was working Customs and didn't know us he would question us because of our appearance.  "Your black, you have a scraggly beard, and you have long hair" and "all three of you are young men" we are told.   

At 50ish, 6pm or so, I was pulled over leaving a tavern, allegedly for crossing the white line on the side of the road, and pulled over into the parking lot of a large, retail establishment.  I was accused of being in a vehicle that smelled "like a brewery", given a roadside sobriety test, subsequently failed the 'balance on one leg for 27 minutes' test.  I was offered the opportunity to take a breathalyzer at the scene, requested a trip to the station and got one (back seat of the officer's car, cuffs on, officer going through my wallet).  I had the occasion to speak with another friend, who owned a large restaurant across the street (the wait was an hour, hence our visit to the tavern across the street), asked if the coppers targeted the other place, his answer was "Of course.  They mostly leave my people along because it's popular, but they wait for folks to leave the other place and pull 'em over.  

 

A friend of mine, high-ranking guy in public service at the state level, was in his mother's neighborhood in our town a year or so later.  It was early evening, he got out of his car and wanted to give the house the once over.  He slowly checked around the house, walking on the lawn, looking at windows and gutters.  By the time he made it around, an officer had pulled up, got out of the car and questioned him.   Whatcha doing?  Who lives here?  What's your story?

 

At 15 or 16, my cousin and I had come from a movie, parked in a parking lot far from the UB Main Street campus, and were generally screwing around behind a bunch of shops.  No damage, no vandalism, and as we ran up to the side street, an officer pulled up, questioned us, and placed us in the back of the car.  After 10 or 15 minutes, he let us out and told us to stop being nitwits.  

 

At 10 years old, I was waiting for some friends on the main street in our town, sitting on a wall that bordered the parking lot --middle of the afternoon---and this cop rolled up, rolled down his window and yelled "Hey get your ^%$ off that wall and keep moving, ya little %$##@##*&!".  Ironically I had met him on the street walking with my Dad a couple weeks earlier and it was a real "Leave it to Beaver" moment, with tousled hair, and nice comments to my Dad, who grew up with the guy.  

 

There are others, but it's a fact....police profile.  I am not black, so I cannot speak to the collective experience, but understanding human nature, it seems likely that there are instances of pure BS stops.  I'd even grant that the stops are disproportionately higher, but the magnitude of "he pulled me over for no reason" stops out of concern for public safety, something unusual afoot against white men has to be staggering. In fact, I know it is, because there are whoooooooolllllleeeeee lotta white guys complaining about cops who are d****s, a**holes and that they were pulled over for no reason. 

 

In fact, I think we all want the police to profile up to a point, it's just a question of where it starts and where the line is crossed.  

 

 

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 hours ago, unbillievable said:

Can someone explain to me how a vehicle looks Black, Asian, or White?

 

Chris Rock has a skit on this topic. 

[Buffarukus]

if theres one topic that made me turn my back on the democratic party its the way they have unapologetically supported identity politics to push their agenda. 

 

ive come on here to specifically fight against it. why? because i feel i have a somewhat unique experience of a white man who grew up in a predominantly black community. who had black neighbors, class mates, teachers, principals, bosses...all my life.

 

ive gone to the inner city schools that have "no hope for success". ive been a minority in many situations. i came out the other side with life long friendships. with families that break bread together. people, not BLACK people that ive known since childhood. we celebrate each others accomplishments and support each other in failures. i also learned early bigotry exists in every society..regardless of skin.

 

whether you believe me or not im telling all the unapologetic liberals out there you are on the wrong side of history. i have tried debating these issues logically and critically with a open mind. check my post history and tell me where you disagree. i stand on my words, as sloppy as they are. but every time met with, whataboutism, goal post shifting, or plain and simple avoiding the subjects.

 

stop promoting this bullshi++. call it out for what it is..division and segragation! lets get on the same page so we can demand these teachers that have time for this use it on positivity. lets hold those in power accountable to do things that will actually make a difference in ALL young people who need help, economically or in families. why so much focus on negatives..to children no less. THIS is why there is so much pushback. communities can unite for positives, instead of bitchin on keyboards.

 

maybe thats too idealistic. positivity? unity? foundations like trade intros to see what direction they may take. alot of money and alot of need for little or no cost. playing games with old plcs to build their own makeshift robots. thats my specialty and could easily design a class for kids to get fundamentals started. everyone gets a chance at being the boss and eveyone KEEPS the money they can earn with games where they sell cookies or crafts and have games to manage money/employee roles ect ect. 

 

no no much more important to talk about brutal history and roadblocks that will stand in the way because of other children skin. more important in this polarized climate then building skillsets and occupying time. talk about woke? no its time to wake the f up!! you keep your children learning about structures. ill take mine out and have him and all his classmates participate in building them for something like a playground they can use to make friendships on. see which lesson gets these kids a head start on being prepared in this world to change there outcome.

 

see you at the next board meeting! 😉

 

 

Edited July 20, 2021 by Buffarukus

[Doc Brown]

17 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Interesting points.  From a private employer perspective, you educate your employees on DEI (and not CRT, let's not artificially conflate the two), because it helps you in the marketplace.  A more inclusive workforce attracts the most talent and as such should improve your bottom line.  From an educational perspective, the school system in my town just added a DEI officer; they did so primarily in response to reports of bullying and racist actions by students.  From a broader educational perspective, educators should not be afraid in introducing difficult concepts in class and having students discuss them.  I think CRT does not belong in secondary schools as the content is more complex than should be taken on there, but certainly in college and grad school. 

 

Should we legislate against how an individual feels about another individual?  No, and even if I thought we should it would be impossible logistically.  But individuals that act out on their anger or feelings can do harm to others, and then the legal system takes over.  I'd prefer it if things did not have to get to that extreme.  

 

One more thing.  Training on things like DEI is educational, it is not indoctrination and such.

I have no reason to disbelieve them.  They're good kids.

Spot on.  There's positives to be gained from the theory in race relationships but it's more likely to cause confusion and division because their brains aren't developed enough.  Teach kids to be proud of their country and then let them slowly become more cynical like the rest of us.  It is somewhat amusing to me that conservatives rail against the failing of our kids in the public school system but expect students to fully grasp CRT theory.

 

15 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

No….it’s profiling. Now profiling is another debate altogether but I certainly understand why it’s done. As regards to slavery, I meant what I said. Police aren’t stopping black kids because they think of them as freed slaves. This has nothing to do with the historical events that CRT seems to want to call attention. 

CRT advocates would argue that racial profiling is a direct result of systemic racism in our legislation and public policy going back all the way to slavery.  In your example it doesn't matter why the cops are profiling black kids.