Critical Race Theory

[Motorin']

10 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

'Let them die!': NAACP leader blasts parents who oppose critical race theory in fiery speech outside Virginia middle school boardmeeting 

 by James Gordon

 

 

An NAACP leader has been caught on camera blasting parents who oppose Critical Race Theory and shouting 'let them die' in a fiery speech outside a Virginia middle school board meeting.NAACP Vice President Michelle Leete - who is also a member of Virginia state PTA - made the inflammatory comments to a crowd at Luther Jackson Middle School in Falls Church, Fairfax County, Thursday.The crowd, who cheered in response to Leete's speech, had gathered to counter-protest a group of parents who were holding a 'Stop CRT rally' at the school.

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9797411/NAACP-leaders-furious-speech-against-opponents-critical-race-theory-outside-middle-school.html

 

 

 

 

 

Is that the same context that @Over 29 years of fanhood told me I needed die, and everyone like me, in order for racism to end?

 

Not a nice thing to say. I hope she apologizes. 

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Is that the same context that @Over 29 years of fanhood told me I needed die, and everyone like me, in order for racism to end?

 

Not a nice thing to say. I hope she apologizes. 

 

 

Nope, different.. my context was that hopefully this is the last generation that consider them selves superior and requisite saviors based of their lack of melanin, and that as that generation dies off, real racism dies with it. 
 

This woman was saying parents that disagree with her need to die. 

[Motorin']

Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Nope, different.. my context was that hopefully this is the last generation that consider them selves superior and requisite saviors based of their lack of melanin, and that as that generation dies off, real racism dies with it. 
 

This woman was saying parents that disagree with her need to die. 

 

Given your assertion is patently false, I don't see much of a difference. Unless she was calling for any action to be taken, in which case she should be jailed. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

10 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Given your assertion is patently false, I don't see much of a difference. Unless she was calling for any action to be taken, in which case she should be jailed. 

My assertion is pretty well founded, but tabling that for a second, irrespectively, She was acting in a professional capacity as Vice President of a parent teacher association, not chatting on an unmoderated Internet debate forum. 
 

She can say whatever she wants, but she should be removed from her role after saying that. 

Edited July 17, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Motorin']

3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

She can say whatever she wants, but she should be removed from her role after saying that. 

 

I just watched the full clip, and now I have Guns N' Roses stuck in my head.

 

Referring to parents who are "anti-live, and let live, Let them die."

 

Clever turn of phrase, dumb to actually say in a professional capacity. Now I can't get Axel Rose singing, "Live and let die" out of my head. 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

 

I just watched the full clip, and now I have Guns N' Roses stuck in my head.

 

Referring to parents who are "anti-live, and let live, Let them die."

 

Clever turn of phrase, dumb to actually say in a professional capacity. Now I can't get Axel Rose singing, "Live and let die" out of my head. 

 

The most melodic rasps ever

Edited July 17, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[B-Man]

 

 

 Here’s How Critical Race Theory Activists Try to Pull The Wool Over America’s Eyes.

 

FTA:

 

While opposition to CRT is multiracial — bringing black, Hispanic, Asian, and white parents together — Kendi compares opposition to CRT in schools to segregation. “In the 1950s and ’60s, the conservators of racism organized to keep Black kids out of all-white schools. Today, they are trying to get critical race theory out of American schools,” he writes.

 

Kendi is utterly wrong to suggest that the grassroots opposition to CRT is somehow misled about what critical race theory actually is. Parents know what it is — and black and Asian moms and dads are just as irate about this neo-racism as white parents are.

 

Yet Kendi is fighting hard to make sure that “There is no debate over critical race theory.” He wants the cultural elites to ignore the issue and to dismiss irate parents as the ignorant hoi polloi.

 

The National Education Association (NEA), the largest teachers union in America, pledged that it will “fight back against anti-CRT rhetoric.” Kendi and his allies already have entrenched CRT in many institutions — so they are trying to silence their opponents by demonizing them.

 

 

 

[John Adams]

10 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Got a double copyright issue here. Maybe triple but probably not. 

7 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 Here’s How Critical Race Theory Activists Try to Pull The Wool Over America’s Eyes.

 

FTA:

 

While opposition to CRT is multiracial — bringing black, Hispanic, Asian, and white parents together — Kendi compares opposition to CRT in schools to segregation. “In the 1950s and ’60s, the conservators of racism organized to keep Black kids out of all-white schools. Today, they are trying to get critical race theory out of American schools,” he writes.

 

Kendi is utterly wrong to suggest that the grassroots opposition to CRT is somehow misled about what critical race theory actually is. Parents know what it is — and black and Asian moms and dads are just as irate about this neo-racism as white parents are.

 

Yet Kendi is fighting hard to make sure that “There is no debate over critical race theory.” He wants the cultural elites to ignore the issue and to dismiss irate parents as the ignorant hoi polloi.

 

The National Education Association (NEA), the largest teachers union in America, pledged that it will “fight back against anti-CRT rhetoric.” Kendi and his allies already have entrenched CRT in many institutions — so they are trying to silence their opponents by demonizing them.

 

 

 

Not even a link here and no di minimis paste.  Copyright infringement. Again. 

[B-Man]

 

 

Update: The NAACP Leader Who Declared 'Let Them Die' About Opponents of CRT Has Resigned

Townhall, by Rebecca Downs

 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/rebeccadowns/2021/07/17/the-naacp-leader-who-said-let-them-die-about-opponents-of-crt-is-now-answering-for-it-n2592687

 

 

 

[Motorin']

46 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Update: The NAACP Leader Who Declared 'Let Them Die' About Opponents of CRT Has Resigned

Townhall, by Rebecca Downs

 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/rebeccadowns/2021/07/17/the-naacp-leader-who-said-let-them-die-about-opponents-of-crt-is-now-answering-for-it-n2592687

 

 

 

 

Good. That was dumb to say. I hope she actually realizes why it was dumb and is able to do better. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

 

Good. That was dumb to say. I hope she actually realizes why it was dumb and is able to do better. 

What’s your guess? You think she will?

[Capco]

On 6/28/2021 at 8:25 AM, BillStime said:

 

 

On point 2, you cannot separate structures from individuals.  It is individuals who create them and give them meaning, after all.  

On point 3, everything I've read about CRT with regards to race consciousness points in the exact opposite direction as is stated in the tweet's rebuttal.  CRT involves a race-conscious approach to equality, it critiques the ideas of color blindness and affirmative action, and considers black nationalism and segregation as potential "answers."

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

Good. That was dumb to say. I hope she actually realizes why it was dumb and is able to do better. 

 

To me, the stupidest part was what she said was BEFORE she said "let them die".

[Capco]

On 6/30/2021 at 2:39 PM, Big Blitz said:

And just teaching about said parade of horribles without proper context, only "this country is racist see we told you so" is not how you history, it's divisive, it does not allow critical thought 

 

In 6th grade we had a project where we got to form our own country.  Obviously at that age the project was pretty basic, but we got to choose our form of government after learning about several forms of government in history, including America's.

 

So of course everyone picks democracy because you know, that was essentially the point of the whole exercise.  It was basically a rubber stamp for learning the idea that "democracy good / everything else bad."  

 

However, my partner and I, ever the class contrarians, decided to pick a dictatorship (a benevolent one, of course!).  And while we put in as much effort as the other students, when it was our turn to present we got GRILLED by the teacher.  She was asking questions that college freshmen would have a difficult time answering, let alone a couple 12 year-old kids.

 

But it was still a good experience that always stuck with me and taught me a few things (I know that this seems a little off-track from CRT, but trust me there is a point).  Generally, I learned that taking the path least traveled is riddled with challenges, including some challenges that are wholly unfair.  Specifically, I learned that there were many flaws in dictatorial allocations of power.  

 

And finally, in terms of the discussion of CRT, I realize now that I would not have learned those lessons had my teacher/school/education system not been open enough to allow me to choose "dictatorship" and then learn the hard way why those governments can be really, really bad and get made to look like a fool in front of my peers.  What if my only choice was democracy (the sheer irony of that aside) and I haphazardly put together my project knowing that my hand was forced?  Would I have learned as much as I did?  Would I have resented the lack of choice?  

 

Likewise, if you want people to learn that racism is bad, forcing people into that line of thinking is not as effective as letting them choose for themselves and learning through error how bad racism is.  As the saying goes and Cold War experience shows, you simply cannot force people to be free; they have to want it themselves; it must come from within.  

 

Sometimes the only/best way you learn that the fence can shock you is by grabbing hold of it and receiving the shock, as opposed to insulating your hand from all forms of uncertainty in the world.  

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, Capco said:

 

In 6th grade we had a project where we got to form our own country.  Obviously at that age the project was pretty basic, but we got to choose our form of government after learning about several forms of government in history, including America's.

 

So of course everyone picks democracy because you know, that was essentially the point of the whole exercise.  It was basically a rubber stamp for learning the idea that "democracy good / everything else bad."  

 

However, my partner and I, ever the class contrarians, decided to pick a dictatorship (a benevolent one, of course!).  And while we put in as much effort as the other students, when it was our turn to present we got GRILLED by the teacher.  She was asking questions that college freshmen would have a difficult time answering, let alone a couple 12 year-old kids.

 

But it was still a good experience that always stuck with me and taught me a few things (I know that this seems a little off-track from CRT, but trust me there is a point).  Generally, I learned that taking the path least traveled is riddled with challenges, including some challenges that are wholly unfair.  Specifically, I learned that there were many flaws in dictatorial allocations of power.  

 

And finally, in terms of the discussion of CRT, I realize now that I would not have learned those lessons had my teacher/school/education system not been open enough to allow me to choose "dictatorship" and then learn the hard way why those governments can be really, really bad and get made to look like a fool in front of my peers.  What if my only choice was democracy (the sheer irony of that aside) and I haphazardly put together my project knowing that my hand was forced?  Would I have learned as much as I did?  Would I have resented the lack of choice?  

 

Likewise, if you want people to learn that racism is bad, forcing people into that line of thinking is not as effective as letting them choose for themselves and learning through error how bad racism is.  As the saying goes and Cold War experience shows, you simply cannot force people to be free; they have to want it themselves; it must come from within.  

 

Sometimes the only/best way you learn that the fence can shock you is by grabbing hold of it and receiving the shock, as opposed to insulating your hand from all forms of uncertainty in the world.  

That’s an interesting story for sure but have you ever met anyone who said that racism is good? CRT instruction has nothing to do with racism. 

[unbillievable]

20 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

That’s an interesting story for sure but have you ever met anyone who said that racism is good? CRT instruction has nothing to do with racism. 

 

Every advocate of affirmative action, and other race-based social programs.  THere is thread here on it. 😉

[Chef Jim]

4 minutes ago, unbillievable said:

 

Every advocate of affirmative action, and other race-based social programs.  THere is thread here on it. 😉

 

It's not the public school system to teach what is good or bad.  It's there job to teach and allow the student to come to their own conclusions.   You know.....critical thinking.  

 

And by it's name alone CRT should not determine if it's bad or good.  Just what it is and let the student of the theory determine for themselves.  Hence the word Critical. 

Edited July 18, 2021 by Chef Jim

[unbillievable]

14 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

It's not the public school system to teach what is good or bad.  It's there job to teach and allow the student to come to their own conclusions.   You know.....critical thinking.  

 

And by it's name alone CRT should not determine if it's bad or good.  Just what it is and let the student of the theory determine for themselves.  Hence the word Critical. 

 

CRT starts with a "neutral" "fact" that society separates children at birth based on their race. The critical thinking segment of the lesson plan begins with HOW to change the society. It's a theory based on a bad premise. 

 

It's the same as asking someone, "Thinking critically, how can we get you to stop beating your wife?"

 

 

 

 

Edited July 18, 2021 by unbillievable

[Big Blitz]

5 hours ago, Capco said:

 

 

Likewise, if you want people to learn that racism is bad, forcing people into that line of thinking is not as effective as letting them choose for themselves and learning through error how bad racism is

 

 

Who needs to be taught this?  

 

 

Better question.....which alone is what blows a hole in CRT....

 

Where is racism being taught that it is good?