Critical Race Theory

[716er]

6 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Barely Marxist lol.. critical theory was devised by Marx disciples almost 100 years ago in nazi Germany.  It’s proud of its Marxist root and your insulting it to say it doesn’t go far enough.  

 

But  I think I’m fine with carving the country into two countries, at this point..  a Marxist one and a capitalist one. People can uproot to live in the one they want. It should be easier on the Marxist side to relocate there since no person should own property anyway. Let’s see which new nation succeeds….  

Nazi Germany? 
 

Frankfort School was developed in the Weimar Republic and they relocated to Geneva in the early 30s because of the threat of Nazism.

 

Also inspired more by Kant and Freud than Marx.

 

[Chef Jim]

10 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

Thanks Jim... how long has CRT been around?

 

You know the answer. So what’s your point?  

[BillStime]

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

You know the answer. So what’s your point?  

lmao - Jim I don’t care where you stand politically I can’t help but like you 

[Chef Jim]

Just now, BillStime said:

lmao - Jim I don’t care where you stand politically I can’t help but like you 

So you have not point?  Got it.  Unfortunately you’ve not addressed mine. I wonder why?  

[BillStime]

10 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

So you have not point?  Got it.  Unfortunately you’ve not addressed mine. I wonder why?  

 

Oh, yes, I have a point. All of a sudden, after all 40+ years - can you tell me why Trump, Fox News and the Heritage Foundation is up in arms up CRT?

 

And do you realize you are nothing more than a pawn for these right win actors?

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

 

 

2 hours ago, 716er said:

Nazi Germany? 
 

Frankfort School was developed in the Weimar Republic and they relocated to Geneva in the early 30s because of the threat of Nazism.

 

Also inspired more by Kant and Freud than Marx.

 

Exactly, born in the same cradle… that was the point. I’m convinced the relocation had more to do with the socialist takeover not manifesting in the utopia they were selling.  idealists not rooted in reality… 

 

but if you subscribe to it, let me know when you are donating everything you own. 

Edited June 18, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[SoCal Deek]

50 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Oh, yes, I have a point. All of a sudden, after all 40+ years - can you tell me why Trump, Fox News and the Heritage Foundation is up in arms up CRT?

 

And do you realize you are nothing more than a pawn for these right win actors?

 

Better than a pawn of socialists.

[716er]

10 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

 

Exactly, born in the same cradle… that was the point. I’m convinced the relocation had more to do with the socialist takeover not manifesting in the utopia they were selling.  idealists not rooted in reality… 

 

but if you subscribe to it, let me know when you are donating everything you own. 

I’m sure you’re convinced.

 

You have moved the subject pretty far away from the pedagogy. Again - in practice from your example on page 66 - the theory that guided the teaching principals is not practiced on the pupils. 

[Capco]

12 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

Ok I’ll type slower.  
 

Do people have a concern about religion being taught in schools?  Yes!  Why?  Because they are concerned a teacher might use that to push and agenda on little Billy and they don’t want.  I get that. This is the exact same reason why people don’t want CRT taught in school. Especially seeing there is no “bible” for CRT.  Teachers can use the theory, and it is just that, a theory, to push an agenda on little Jimmy.  
 

Get it? 

 

So we shouldn't be teaching evolution and general relativity because they are theories?  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

28 minutes ago, 716er said:

I’m sure you’re convinced.

 

You have moved the subject pretty far away from the pedagogy. Again - in practice from your example on page 66 - the theory that guided the teaching principals is not practiced on the pupils. 

The premise that math is currently taught in a racist way is utter nonsense. But I tell you this, the peddlers of this pseudo socio babble garbage are getting RIIIICH! 
 

The entire point that western math instruction isn’t inclusive to poc because it’s not culturally relatable is defeated on its face by virtue of the reality that our math and science programs are dominated by ESL Asians. 

[716er]

4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

The premise that math is currently taught in a racist way is utter nonsense. But I tell you this, the peddlers of this pseudo socio babble garbage are getting RIIIICH! 
 

The entire point that western math instruction isn’t inclusive to poc because it’s not culturally relatable is defeated on its face by virtue of the reality that our math and science programs are dominated by ESL Asians. 

Not sure what this has to do with the lessons on page 66. Many theoretical backgrounds, including at least CRT, critical theory, and American pragmatism, would lead to the same lessons being taught to the pupil.

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

10 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

So we shouldn't be teaching evolution and general relativity because they are theories?  

i think crt say no because those things are white supremacist notions. 

[716er]

Why does the math teacher’s theoretical framework matter if the lessons are good for the pupil and devoid of politics or race?

[Chef Jim]

7 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

So we shouldn't be teaching evolution and general relativity because they are theories?  

 

Not my point.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 minutes ago, 716er said:

Not sure what this has to do with the lessons on page 66. Many theoretical backgrounds, including at least CRT, critical theory, and American pragmatism, would lead to the same lessons being taught to the pupil.

 

For more context I suggest you look at the other 82 pages. The entire training tool Reiterates math instruction is white supremacy. 

2 minutes ago, 716er said:

Why does the math teacher’s theoretical framework matter if the lessons are good for the pupil and devoid of politics or race?

It’s white supremacy to stress correctness in math.  Agree? 

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, 716er said:

Why does the math teacher’s theoretical framework matter if the lessons are good for the pupil and devoid of politics or race?

 

They don't matter.  But because CRT can (and likely will) be politicized is the reason for our concern. 

[716er]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

 

They don't matter.  But because CRT can (and likely will) be politicized is the reason for our concern. 

You’re politicizing it non stop, Jim. It’s a theory that guides teaching principals. It’s not taught in a classroom.

2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

It’s white supremacy to stress correctness in math.  Agree? 

Agree in a CRT context. Disagree in a CT context.

[Capco]

7 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

The premise that math is currently taught in a racist way is utter nonsense. But I tell you this, the peddlers of this pseudo socio babble garbage are getting RIIIICH! 
 

The entire point that western math instruction isn’t inclusive to poc because it’s not culturally relatable is defeated on its face by virtue of the reality that our math and science programs are dominated by ESL Asians. 

 

Good morning Bill.  

 

I think this is a great point.  Going by group, Asians and Jews perform above the academic norm for whites on average afaik.  If the system is inherently rigged for the  supremacy of whites of European ancestry, then CRT advocates might be forced to come up with reasons as to why Asians and Jews would be performing better than whites.  Reasons like cheating. 

 

In other words, rather ironically CRT can open the door to anti-Semitism and anti-Asian sentiment.  

 

I happen to have serious doubts about CRT because they toss to the side many things that I hold in high regard in search of an otherwise noble objective.  

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, 716er said:

You’re politicizing it non stop, Jim. It’s a theory that guides teaching principals. It’s not taught in a classroom.

 

I see.  I'm a conservative and I'm politicizing it but a liberal teach will not?

 

Take a look at how a concept like BLM, which I understand and agree with, was morphed into something incredible political.  My concern is that if/when CRT is taught the same thing will happen.  If you don't think that is a possibility I can't help you. 

2 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

Good morning Bill.  

 

I think this is a great point.  Going by group, Asians and Jews perform above the academic norm for whites on average afaik.  If the system is inherently rigged for the  supremacy of whites of European ancestry, then CRT advocates might be forced to come up with reasons as to why Asians and Jews would be performing better than whites.  Reasons like cheating. 

 

In other words, rather ironically CRT can open the door to anti-Semitism and anti-Asian sentiment.  

 

I happen to have serious doubts about CRT because they toss to the side many things that I hold in high regard in search of an otherwise noble objective.  

 

Add anti-white sentiments.  Teaching this, in my mind, is using children in a social experiment.  

[Capco]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Add anti-white sentiments.

 

Well, I think that that part is obvious.  There is no irony in the anti-white sentiments.  

 

The idea of my mentioning Asians and Jews is how it doesn't comport with the idea that whites are at the top of the hierarchy in all fields.  

 

I think it's ironic that, in search of equality for people of color, CRT opens the door to discrimination against people of color.