Buffalo Bills hire Sophia Lewin as offensive assistant

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

 

It’s absolutely true. If you have a problem with it I suppose that’s your right. 

 

 

Has she hired an Asian American in any capacity?

[Maynard]

Can we please go back to talking about Sophia Loren boobies, side hugs, and Calvin Klein underwear? Stay on topic guys, geeeeesh. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, Arm of Harm said:

 

This thread consists of two categories of people:

 

1) Those commenting about her physical appearance.

2) Those complaining about people in category 1.

 

What this thread does not consist of is anyone providing any kind of analysis of her coaching ability. Nor am I aware of any commentary on this forum about the quality of the coaching we've received from male offensive or defensive assistants. While the overwhelming majority of fans do not have the knowledge necessary to comment on subjects such as those, people people can make evaluations about her physical appearance. So that's what most are doing. If you have a valuable insight about her to add which does not pertain to her physical appearance, no one is stopping you from adding it.

 

She was hired as an offensive assistant.  While duties vary, a lot of times these are the folks who scout the next opponent for tendencies, self-scout our team for tendencies, and basically slice and dice film.  It’s more an endurance and attention to detail kind of job than coaching players on the field, though may prepares scouting reports or film paste-ups players will utilize

[Sherlock Holmes]

7 hours ago, Arm of Harm said:

 

This thread consists of two categories of people:

 

1) Those commenting about her physical appearance.

2) Those complaining about people in category 1.

 

What this thread does not consist of is anyone providing any kind of analysis of her coaching ability. Nor am I aware of any commentary on this forum about the quality of the coaching we've received from male offensive or defensive assistants. While the overwhelming majority of fans do not have the knowledge necessary to comment on subjects such as those, people people can make evaluations about her physical appearance. So that's what most are doing. If you have a valuable insight about her to add which does not pertain to her physical appearance, no one is stopping you from adding it.

Meh, Kuechly looks way better than this!

[Arm of Harm]

16 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

I think [McDermott] doesn’t care what people think and will have his coaches under him decide whether she is the best at the role. 

McDermott may not care about her gender, but Kim Pegula does. 
 

I personally believe that the best, most capable candidate should be chosen, regardless of gender. If she is better or more capable than the best male candidate considered, great! If on the other hand she is less capable than the best male they interviewed, but was chosen anyway due to Kim’s involvement, I would be disappointed. 

[machine gun kelly]

20 minutes ago, Arm of Harm said:

McDermott may not care about her gender, but Kim Pegula does. 
 

I personally believe that the best, most capable candidate should be chosen, regardless of gender. If she is better or more capable than the best male candidate considered, great! If on the other hand she is less capable than the best male they interviewed, but was chosen anyway due to Kim’s involvement, I would be disappointed. 

I don’t disagree in a perfect world, but have been placed in the position when I had two territory manager openings to hire one of them as a person of color or in our world of gender.  Previously our VP used to say, I won’t make you hire someone of a certain background as we want the best, but I will push you to expand the net.  He wanted us to use diversity recruiter on top of our own and really work harder as managers to make sure we weren’t just complacent in who came our way from our recruiting resources.  I had no problem at all with it as I already had the second most diverse district in the US.  That’s a little easier managing the SE.

 

at the beginning with a regime change, I had a director that was so blunt she said one of the two had to be diverse.  The one I chose was white, and won Rookie of the Year and P Club twice.  Not because he was white as I could care less about that point.  He was just the best.  The other I had a local final candidate who was in with all of the specialists in the greater area in South GA.  I was taking another position at another company and was overridden to hire an out of town diversity female who on paper and interviews was great, but this area needed a local.  She failed miserably after I left, and was able to get a lateral to another division in Dallas amd from what I hear is doing well.  I’m not trying to bore you.

 

Im making the point expanding the net and working harder to do so is a managers job or coach.  Forcing for quota when not a good fit has bad outcomes.  To my last post, I have no idea how qualified she is to coach.  I could care less if her gender.  As long as she coaches her people up well, that matters.

 

If not, the players will sniff that out and shell be gone.

[Gugny]

24 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Works both ways. They need to hire best candidates, not gender based. 

 

I may be off, here, but it seems like this hire really bothers you.

 

It also seems like you feel there's no way in hell that this (or any) woman could POSSIBLY be the best candidate to be an offensive assistant on an NFL team.

 

If she wasn't the most qualified/best candidate for the job, so what??  There's no doubt she has the skills and experience to perform the job.  Why not give her a shot while making the staff more diverse?  Let's not pretend that the Bills, or any other team, will win or lose games because of the performance of an offensive assistant.

 

Moves like this will eventually pave the way for women to become RB coaches, QB coaches, OL coaches, then coordinators and head coaches.

 

Without moves like this, everything else becomes impossible.

 

Why the hell would you, or anyone else, have a problem with this?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31477621/buffalo-bills-add-sophia-lewin-offensive-assistant-part-push-hire-promote-women
 

This makes 4 women as part of the team. 

[Jauronimo]

23 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I may be off, here, but it seems like this hire really bothers you.

 

It also seems like you feel there's no way in hell that this (or any) woman could POSSIBLY be the best candidate to be an offensive assistant on an NFL team.

 

If she wasn't the most qualified/best candidate for the job, so what??  There's no doubt she has the skills and experience to perform the job.  Why not give her a shot while making the staff more diverse?  Let's not pretend that the Bills, or any other team, will win or lose games because of the performance of an offensive assistant.

 

Moves like this will eventually pave the way for women to become RB coaches, QB coaches, OL coaches, then coordinators and head coaches.

 

Without moves like this, everything else becomes impossible.

 

Why the hell would you, or anyone else, have a problem with this?

Unqualified men get hired all the time for a variety of reasons.  I find it hard to muster the outrage that one unqualified woman may get hired solely based on gender.

[Jauronimo]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Discrimination in any form bothers me as should you. 

You have zero evidence that any discriminatory hiring practices have taken place.  

[GoBills808]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Discrimination in any form bothers me as should you. 

Who exactly is being discriminated against? 

[4_kidd_4]

19 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Why the hell would you, or anyone else, have a problem with this?

 

To quote Chuck D., via Sonic Youth:

 

“Fear. Fear of a female planet. Fear, baby.”

 

 

P.S.- I love you, Kim!

[machine gun kelly]

I just started getting interested after I read through all the posts now.  The juvenile posts I guess is an attempt at humor, and the only part there that would concern me is of there really is a bias towards women in a coaching position in sports.  There are tons of examples of women coaches in other sports like basketball, baseball, and so on that show you don't have to play the sport to coach it, and women as well as any other group has no inherit advantage or disadvantage in their abilities.

 

Hap made a good point, she most likely is breaking down tape and prepping other coaches and scouts  on various matters, but isn't that how you coach you're kid as he is finishing college that hopefully he sucked it up, or her, and took those crappy internships to have something on you're resume.  Then there is the problem of kids in this generation not wanting crap jobs, well wake up.  you start at the bottom, and sounds like she doesn't mind that at all.

 

There really isn't a way for a person to move up if they can't get a shot at the bottom.  50 years ago, people of color and beyond were discriminated against due to skin color at the QB position.  The last 20-30 years is riddled of no african-american head coaching jobs.  Now, we are making strides in the management realm for various diverse persons.

 

If the woman is a washout, it will happen fast.  If she is promoted to a position coach with the players and they don't respect her, it will be an end.  If anything, people of diversity which includes women in football, they feel they don't just have to be capable, but much better than their competitors just to get a fair opportunity.  Id like to think the guys here don't have that much gender bias, or because she's not hot, that matters.  Some of you need to look into the mirror including me, and say, uh well i could do better.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 5/19/2021 at 5:36 PM, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

 

 

Since hiring Kathryn Smith as a special teams quality control coach in 2016, the Bills have continually promoted and provided women opportunities in football. Team co-owner Kim Pegula has been an integral part of that, as well as Bills head coach Sean McDermott and general manager Brandon Beane.
 

 

Hey, I'm not against it as long as she earned it. May the best man (or woman) win. 

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Buffalo619 said:

Works both ways. They need to hire best candidates, not gender based. 

 

In fact this is the first time in NFL history a less qualified candidate has gotten a job.

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

4 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said:

 

To quote Chuck D., via Sonic Youth:

 

“Fear. Fear of a female planet. Fear, baby.”

 

 

P.S.- I love you, Kim!

 

Another Sonic Youth fan on a football forum 😦 Imagine that! Kim Gordon is actually originally from Rochester which is cool bc that's where I was born. Thurston did her dirty though. I would never cheat on someone as beautiful as her. Anyways, lmao definitely one of the most underrated & original sounding bands of all time. They were so ahead of their time that people are still trying to catch up. 

[Nextmanup]

Ever notice some Sophias spell their name with the "ph" in there.

Other Sofias spell their name with an "F".

 

 

Edited May 21, 2021 by Nextmanup

[GoBills808]

8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

In fact this is the first time in NFL history a less qualified candidate has gotten a job.

 

The very first time

 

[4_kidd_4]

10 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

 

Another Sonic Youth fan on a football forum 😦 Imagine that! Kim Gordon is actually originally from Rochester which is cool bc that's where I was born. Thurston did her dirty though. I would never cheat on someone as beautiful as her. Anyways, lmao definitely one of the most underrated & original sounding bands of all time. They were so ahead of their time that people are still trying to catch up. 

 

Amen brother.

 

Saw them at Towne Ballroom in ‘04. Absolutely delivered.

 

Did my favorite that night too, “Sugar Kane”!

 

Then we saw Thurston running to the bus out back afterwards and he said “Hey guys”. Whoa!! 😂 

 

 

[Arm of Harm]

2 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Women as well as any other group has no inherit advantage or disadvantage in their abilities.

 

I talked with the director of a daycare center, after observing that all the people working directly with children were women. I asked her if they'd ever hired any male employees during her time as director. She said there had been two or three over the years but they hadn't worked out. But then she corrected herself and mentioned a man who'd come in periodically and would play his guitar and sing to the children. That worked out well.

 

The director did not mention any effort to equalize the number of male and female employees. She did not indicate any belief that men and women have the same innate abilities to nurture young children. Nor did I think it necessary for her to do either of those things.

 

Think of all the deeply knowledgeable football fans you know, either in real life or through fora such as this. Now ask yourself this: of those deeply knowledgeable fans, what percentage are female? Whatever that percentage is, is probably about where the NFL should be in terms of its percentage of female coaches.

Edited May 21, 2021 by Arm of Harm