How many people would be libertarian if you believed they could win?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Trying to get a better handle on what folks are thinking 

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[SCBills]

I voted for the option of thinking their views are generally good, but libertarians have lost me in their views on corporations and tech.  

[daz28]

The libertarian belives in an extremely flawed version of their own utopia.  They've already lost the debate before they've even spoken.  Like it or not you're a social animal.

[Governor]

Pat Buchanan was a libertarian. He was Trump before Trump. He was also a racist.

 

Trump took his platform/stump speech word for word.

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[oldmanfan]

Not interested. What we really need is a centrist party that attracts the centrists/moderates of both current parties. Since both parties are now more represented by the extremes in each, a centrist party would win.

[Governor]

 

 

If you could get rid of S.S. and 50 other government programs by installing UBI and Universal HC, would that be more, less, or more efficient government?

 

Where I think both parties get it wrong is with means-testing and policy designed for certain groups. For example, there shouldn’t be major legislation designed to help only women and small children. It should help every American or not be created.

  On 5/17/2021 at 11:24 AM, oldmanfan said:

Not interested. What we really need is a centrist party that attracts the centrists/moderates of both current parties. Since both parties are now more represented by the extremes in each, a centrist party would win.

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Can you name a moderate Republican?

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[oldmanfan]

  On 5/17/2021 at 11:29 AM, Governor said:

 

 

If you could get rid of S.S. and 50 other government programs by installing UBI and Universal HC, would that be more, less, or more efficient government?

 

Where I think both parties get it wrong is with means-testing and policy designed for certain groups. For example, there shouldn’t be major legislation designed to help only women and small children. It should help every American or not be created.

Can you name a moderate Republican?

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Me.  Or at least I used to be until the insanity that took over the party.  Now I'm independent.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

  On 5/17/2021 at 11:29 AM, Governor said:

 

 

 

Can you name a moderate Republican?

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I think Mitt Romney is one if you look at what he did in mass. Moderate dems are rare too lately. The West Virginia guy maybe? 

  On 5/17/2021 at 11:24 AM, oldmanfan said:

Not interested. What we really need is a centrist party that attracts the centrists/moderates of both current parties. Since both parties are now more represented by the extremes in each, a centrist party would win.

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i thought that might be libertarian but they seem to have their own radical element with too much influence on the agenda 

  On 5/17/2021 at 3:54 AM, SCBills said:

I voted for the option of thinking their views are generally good, but libertarians have lost me in their views on corporations and tech.  

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Too hands off right? 

[LeviF]

  On 5/17/2021 at 3:54 AM, SCBills said:

I voted for the option of thinking their views are generally good, but libertarians have lost me in their views on corporations and tech.  

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I didn't vote but I'll sign on to this with national borders added on at the end.

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

Don't Libertarians want to eliminate pollution controls? They just want to dump sewage in our lakes and coal slim everywhere. Why would anyone want that? 

 

Libertarians can't be trusted with anything. 

  On 5/17/2021 at 12:49 PM, LeviF91 said:

 

I didn't vote but I'll sign on to this with national borders added on at the end.

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Trump's wall was seen as more big government to Libertarians

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

  On 5/17/2021 at 12:51 PM, Tiberius said:

Don't Libertarians want to eliminate pollution controls? They just want to dump sewage in our lakes and coal slim everywhere. Why would anyone want that? 

 

Libertarians can't be trusted with anything. 

Trump's wall was seen as more big government to Libertarians

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Ironically anti wall democrats quietly resumed construction 

[B-Man]

 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

  On 5/17/2021 at 1:14 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Ironically anti wall democrats quietly resumed construction 

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Libertarians want to simply end medicare. What will the old people do??? 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

  On 5/17/2021 at 1:53 PM, Tiberius said:

Libertarians want to simply end medicare. What will the old people do??? 

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Build Biden’s wall? 

I’m not sure what the connection here is

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

  On 5/17/2021 at 2:00 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Build Biden’s wall? 

I’m not sure what the connection here is

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Libertarians want to end the FDA???

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

  On 5/17/2021 at 2:12 PM, Tiberius said:

Libertarians want to end the FDA???

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I’m sure it’s more like reduce their 6 billion dollar annual budget or reduce their power over everyday life or eliminate their redundancy with the 4 other state and  federal agencies that do the same thing. 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

  On 5/17/2021 at 2:24 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I’m sure it’s more like reduce their 6 billion dollar annual budget or reduce their power over everyday life or eliminate their redundancy with the 4 other state and  federal agencies that do the same thing. 

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How much more unsafe should we make life in the country? 

[SCBills]

  On 5/17/2021 at 12:42 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I think Mitt Romney is one if you look at what he did in mass. Moderate dems are rare too lately. The West Virginia guy maybe? 

i thought that might be libertarian but they seem to have their own radical element with too much influence on the agenda 

Too hands off right? 

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Yea, too hands off.  We need more people like Josh Hawley, Elizabeth Warren etc., in regards to their views on tech.

 

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[Over 29 years of fanhood]

  On 5/17/2021 at 2:34 PM, Tiberius said:

How much more unsafe should we make life in the country? 

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FDA is corrupt AF.... all the chemicals they authorize into our food isn’t keeping anyone safe. 

[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

  On 5/17/2021 at 3:07 PM, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

FDA is corrupt AF.... all the chemicals they authorize into our food isn’t keeping anyone safe. 

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Get rid of food safety! Libertarians have a winning issue to run on! 

 

How about work place safety? Get rid of it!