Saxum Posted May 16, 2021 Author Posted May 16, 2021 42 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: One of the things I like about his length is that it gives him a huge “tackling radius”. Better copyright it before film breakdown guys start using it. 1 1
Don Otreply Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 23 hours ago, Limeaid said: I was thinking of posting a Star Trek red shirt image myself. Paramount even changed command shirts to red in answer to fans asking if red shirts meant disposable characters. Ensign Green... anyone 😁
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 23 hours ago, Limeaid said: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2021-nfl-draft-marquee-rookies-who-need-a-redshirt-year-with-trey-lance-and-gregory-rousseau-leading-way/ Clearly CBS opinion writer "Chris Trapasso" including him on his list of players needing "redshirt" years is colored by his mock draft. On a team which did not rotate defense line as much as Bills did it would be different. I certainly would not have picked him for I dislike teams even drafting juniors but I do not see why Bills would not use him in a rotation without an injury in camp putting him on IR. Bills can choose to put him in situations where he will able to contribute and get real snaps to learn. And I disagree with his assessment of his production which he does not say but means sacks. [NOTE: I do think NFL should continue with IR policy of last year. Players were kept who would have been released with injury designations in other years.] Perhaps Chris Trapasso would care to enlighten us about his history of grading draft prospects and how it aligns with their performance as pros? I'm not sure I like him as a 1st round pick. But, Pick 30 is practically in the 2nd round and Beane has made the point that edge rushing talent goes early. So taking him at #30 instead of trading back into the 2nd makes sense especially if he needs some development time, as it would give us that 5th year option. Lance Zierlein, who does prospect grading for NFL.com, had Rousseau as a 2nd round pick. Not that he's infalliable, either but when I go back and read his write-ups, I often find myself saying "yeah, that's what we see on the field".
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 5 hours ago, Buffalo619 said: This guy let his team and his career down by not playing because his mother is a nurse? That makes no sense. Rousseau opted out for the same reason Star did... I don't understand the Ins and Outs but he says he wanted his mother to be able to retire early, and the idea is that declaring for the draft and opting out allowed him to take money from an agent and let her retire. I don't understand the "ins" and "outs" of college football rules on money except "don't get caught", but I would gather Rousseau could not accept a large enough loan to retire his mom and still be eligible to play college football. Whether it's true or not, is your decision to evaluate but given the above, it does make sense as stated.
Southern_Bills Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't understand the Ins and Outs but he says he wanted his mother to be able to retire early, and the idea is that declaring for the draft and opting out allowed him to take money from an agent and let her retire. I don't understand the "ins" and "outs" of college football rules on money except "don't get caught", but I would gather Rousseau could not accept a large enough loan to retire his mom and still be eligible to play college football. Whether it's true or not, is your decision to evaluate but given the above, it does make sense as stated. I am aware of college rules but not his situation. From the information you just put out there it sounds like he got money from a sports agent, Drew Rosenhaus, which would make him ineligible per NCAA rules. IDK if he's good enough or not, McBeane thinks he is I suppose. Sitting the year out won't make or break him though.
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 20 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Put on a red shirt or suit up? He's going to suit up and be ready to play despite what the football pundits have to say
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 17, 2021 Posted May 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Southern_Bills said: I am aware of college rules but not his situation. From the information you just put out there it sounds like he got money from a sports agent, Drew Rosenhaus, which would make him ineligible per NCAA rules. OK, so that’s confirmation. He took money from his agent, according to him, so that his mom could retire early. Given what nurses make in different areas of the country, a relatively modest sum by NFL standards might do it 2 hours ago, Southern_Bills said: IDK if he's good enough or not, McBeane thinks he is I suppose. Sitting the year out won't make or break him though. You don’t need to suppose. You can take it to the bank that if Beane didn’t think he had strong potential they woulda drafted someone else or traded down 2 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: He's going to suit up and be ready to play despite what the football pundits have to say I mean, the concern about the guy is minimal experience, so it would make no sense to truly “redshirt” him and deny him what he needs
OrtonHearsaWho Posted May 17, 2021 Posted May 17, 2021 8 hours ago, Buffalo619 said: This guy let his team and his career down by not playing because his mother is a nurse? That makes no sense. Rousseau opted out for the same reason Star did... Star has a family and might have a heart condition so it seems like he kept his health and his family's health in mind when making the decision. Rousseau decided to step away to help out his family, particularly his mother who was really struggling during the pandemic. If that doesn't make sense to you then feel free to read any of the numerous articles that go into detail about his decision. If you did read about Gregory's decision then I'm not really sure what else to tell you. The only similarity that I see between those two scenarios is that they put concerns of health and family above football and I don't really see why that would be something to be critical about in the least. 1
Saxum Posted May 17, 2021 Author Posted May 17, 2021 1 hour ago, OrtonHearsaWho said: Star has a family and might have a heart condition so it seems like he kept his health and his family's health in mind when making the decision. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29533526/players-opting-2020-nfl-season-coronavirus-concerns-tracking-full-list Quote Star Lotulelei, DT, Buffalo Bills Lotulelei signed a five-year, $50 million deal with the Bills in 2018 and has started at defensive tackle ever since, operating as one of the team's primary run-stopping defensive linemen. He signed a restructured contract this offseason, guaranteeing him $4.5 million in 2020; his new contract will now activate in 2021. Here's one of Lotulelei's teammates weighing in: Quote Players considered high risk for COVID-19 can earn $350,000 and an accrued NFL season by choosing to opt out of the season. Players without risk earn [that is not the right word] $150,000 for opting out. There were two types of opt outs last year - one where player basically says "I want to take a sabbatical" and is given a loan which NFLPA will dispute whether they need to repay and those whose health could be in danger and were given a stipend which they did not not need to repay. Also with one year of college Gregory Rousseau I do not believe he was eligible for draft last year. Players have fought and lost battles against NFL on this issue.
BruceVilanch Posted May 17, 2021 Posted May 17, 2021 On 5/15/2021 at 3:31 PM, oldmanfan said: Let’s see how much Bruce can teach him I don't have much to teach, I'm 35 and in hospital administration. 1
dollars 2 donuts Posted May 17, 2021 Posted May 17, 2021 (edited) On 5/15/2021 at 6:06 PM, Putin said: I was not a huge fan of taking Gregg Rousseau with our 30th pick , now I’m not going to sit here and say that Rousseau will be our next Bruce Smith , But I sure as hell trust Bean and his entire scouting team who have been working & doing their homework for almost a year then I do some CBS writer , I love Beane. I trust Beane. However, to continue with my thinking to that end...I really need Ford and Epenesa to show up this year. Those are not picks that you’re looking to yield simply yeomen production. Edited May 17, 2021 by dollars 2 donuts
JMF2006 Posted May 17, 2021 Posted May 17, 2021 I hope they don't wear those ugly Red uniforms this year But seriously this isn't college ball there are no freebies he needs reps. 2
machine gun kelly Posted May 17, 2021 Posted May 17, 2021 55 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: I love Beane. I trust Beane. However, to continue with my thinking to that end...I really need Ford and Epenesa to show up this year. Those are not picks that you’re looking to yield simply yeomen production. Like this Yeoman, Yeoman Rand. As far as a red shirt year, that’s silly. The guy opted out for honorable reasons for his mom. He doesn’t need just to practice, but to be worked in slowly to the starting or rotational lineup. I’m betting he plays 40% by week 9 after the bye. He may only see spot duty pure pass rushing specialist for AARP Addison. 2
Southern_Bills Posted May 17, 2021 Posted May 17, 2021 12 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You don’t need to suppose. You can take it to the bank that if Beane didn’t think he had strong potential they woulda drafted someone else or traded down I hear you, I tend to believe the same, you have to have a partner to trade down though. Considering his first 2 picks though it was clear he was taking the best pass rushers regardless, which is good. Hopefully Epenesa will make a leap this year.
Just Joshin' Posted May 17, 2021 Posted May 17, 2021 21 hours ago, TC in St. Louis said: I heard Trapasso on Joe Marino's podcast. Marino had Rousseau 25th on his board, and Trapasso had Basham as a first round talent. Let's hope Marino is right about Rousseau and Trapasso is right about Basham. You don't get 15.5 sacks in Division I football by accident. I believe he will be a key player in our pass rush. You must not have heard.....they were all coverage sacks and he had nothing to do but wait for the QB to run into him.
Einstein's Dog Posted May 17, 2021 Posted May 17, 2021 3 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said: I love Beane. I trust Beane. However, to continue with my thinking to that end...I really need Ford and Epenesa to show up this year. Those are not picks that you’re looking to yield simply yeomen production. Actually, even if you got yeomen production out of Epenesa, it would still be a good pick. A yeoman DL of the likes of Murphy or Jefferson type is about a $10mill hit. So Epenesa, at what $2mill, is a bargain. This is where the money for Josh comes from. 1
dollars 2 donuts Posted May 17, 2021 Posted May 17, 2021 3 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: Like this Yeoman, Yeoman Rand. As far as a red shirt year, that’s silly. The guy opted out for honorable reasons for his mom. He doesn’t need just to practice, but to be worked in slowly to the starting or rotational lineup. I’m betting he plays 40% by week 9 after the bye. He may only see spot duty pure pass rushing specialist for AARP Addison. You and I, Gun, have always thought alike! 😄 22 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said: Actually, even if you got yeomen production out of Epenesa, it would still be a good pick. A yeoman DL of the likes of Murphy or Jefferson type is about a $10mill hit. So Epenesa, at what $2mill, is a bargain. This is where the money for Josh comes from. I'm just saying that it would be nice if we saw Phil Hansen (not a direct comparison) talent out of him. He doesn't have to be a pro-bowler, just really good. These higher picks need to "hit". If Ford doesn't solidify himself as a starter and AJ doesn't get regular rotational duty...😬 1
Solomon Grundy Posted May 17, 2021 Posted May 17, 2021 https://www.yahoo.com/sports/ravens-reportedly-had-odafe-oweh-021418271.html Didn’t want to start a new thread, but it looks like the Ravens had their eyes on Rousseau at 31 3
Saxum Posted May 17, 2021 Author Posted May 17, 2021 22 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/ravens-reportedly-had-odafe-oweh-021418271.html Didn’t want to start a new thread, but it looks like the Ravens had their eyes on Rousseau at 31 Quote Luckily for the Ravens, although Rousseau was taken by the Buffalo Bills with the 30th overall pick, Oweh fell into their laps at No. 31. It seems like Baltimore felt that pass rusher was a critical need for them, so they prioritized drafting one in the first round. They figured that Bateman would get scooped up before they had a chance to pick again at No. 31, so they took the wide receiver while hoping that either Oweh or Rousseau would make it to their second first-round pick. 1
dollars 2 donuts Posted May 17, 2021 Posted May 17, 2021 7 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/ravens-reportedly-had-odafe-oweh-021418271.html Didn’t want to start a new thread, but it looks like the Ravens had their eyes on Rousseau at 31 Your mom had an eye on Rousseau at 31. SG, I had to. I am so sorry. It was right there and I couldn’t pass it up. Bless your mom...it just took control of me. 2
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