The foundation under Dr. Fauci is starting to crack...

[Niagara Bill]

On 8/29/2021 at 11:54 PM, Big Blitz said:

Remember when we got daily press conferences from Cuomo that won awards.  

 

Why isn't Biden updating us on the state of the virus daily?  He obviously has nothing better to do.  

 

The public is confused.  School boards are a disaster being left with the decision to decide the *safety* of your kids entering a lethal biology lab everyday with only a piece of cloth to keep them safe. 

 

Something tells me fear, confusion, and division is the goal.  No need to do anything else.  

 

 

I have questioned the politicalized messages from Fauci since the beginning. Although I trust his directional assessments, he and the CDC are not very precise because of the political angles.

I am now even more certain of WH interference. 

In the past month Canada opened the border to US traveller's. Purely political for sure. The US does not allow traveller's from Canada and now has extended the closure and advised US citizens not to travel to Canada due to covid rates in Canada.  This was announced by the supposedly non political CDC nit politicians. Covid rates in Canada are 1/7th the average US rate of infections. Many European countries have much higher rates. For months politicians in border states have screamed they wanted border opened. Now silence.

This proves the political nature of the CDC and the control the WH uses over the organization.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 8/29/2021 at 11:54 PM, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Why isn't Biden updating us on the state of the virus daily?  He obviously has nothing better to do.  

 

 

Once again we see a vast double standard. The US 7 day average of new cases has surpassed early November 2020 when they were telling People not to see their family. This is with  vaccine. Now what’s the way to beat the pandemic? Booster shots to vaccinated people to increase their immunity by a few percent??

 

227,000 Americans have died from covid since he’s taken office. 
 

where is the continuing standard of accountability?
 

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Biden ran on stopping the pandemic. “I will not shut down the country,” the then-presidential candidate promised. “I will shut down the virus,” “I will beat this virus,” and so on. Biden blamed COVID deaths on Trump personally on numerous occasions, so one assumes he believed that the former president had the power to stop COVID.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/why-isnt-biden-to-blame-for-covid-deaths/ar-AANUxyB

[Doc]

And yet Trump was solely responsible for all the deaths last year.

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

And yet Trump was solely responsible for all the deaths last year.

Trump disappeared (not magically) before COVID disappeared.  Interesting. 

[Niagara Bill]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

And yet Trump was solely responsible for all the deaths last year.

Not all of them, just many...

[Big Blitz]

The debate over COVID-19 booster shots picks up steam. Will they be limited to certain high-risk Americans?

 

 

 

Not everyone agrees that COVID-19 booster shots are necessary for all vaccinated Americans, and that discord may slow down plans to roll out extra doses of the mRNA vaccines later this month and change who is eligible for them.

 

Not everyone agrees that COVID-19 booster shots are necessary for all vaccinated Americans, and that discord may slow down plans to roll out extra doses of the mRNA vaccines later this month and change who is eligible for them.

 

White House officials, including President Joe Biden, last month said that Americans who were vaccinated with BioNTech SE _ and Pfizer Inc. _ or Moderna Inc.’s _ COVID-19 vaccines can get a booster dose starting Sept. 20, as long it has been eight months since someone has been fully vaccinated, the FDA authorizes or approves the booster, and the CDC gives its blessing. They said the first boosters will likely go to groups of people who are at higher risk of severe disease.

 

https://on.mktw.net/2WNhLKh

 

 

 

Ah to be "blessed" by President CDC. 

 

North Korea or America who's media is more trustworthy?

 

Edited September 1, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Niagara Bill said:

Not all of them, just many...

And so Biden is now right? 

[Niagara Bill]

5 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

And so Biden is now right? 

No he is not, still too political but IMHO, closer to where the right direction. 

But you must admit, the clash of political wills has led to confused appropriate measures. 

This isva war of a special type vs an enemy who we are losing to.

If this was a typical war, marching in step would be necessary and appropriate to combat the enemy.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

Trump disappeared (not magically) before COVID disappeared.  Interesting. 

 

1 hour ago, Niagara Bill said:

Not all of them, just many...

 

The 200K+ deaths under Biden's watch, with a vaccine mind you, say it wasn't Trump's fault.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Niagara Bill said:

Not all of them, just many...

Using that metric—That number is dwarfed by the number he kept alive though, huh?  

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

 

The 200K+ deaths under Biden's watch, with a vaccine mind you, say it wasn't Trump's fault.

he just convinced the class among which COVID now is spreading that the virus is a hoax.  On the bright side, if his followers aren’t dead or infected, at least they don’t have any more problems with worms.  Ivermectin is a hell of a drug. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

17 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

No he is not, still too political but IMHO, closer to where the right direction. 

But you must admit, the clash of political wills has led to confused appropriate measures. 

This isva war of a special type vs an enemy who we are losing to.

If this was a typical war, marching in step would be necessary and appropriate to combat the enemy.

Pandemic deaths, the actual results, are either the responsibility of the the President or they aren’t.  I have no qualms with the position both are accountable or both are not. Anything else is a bunch of mealy mouth nonsense fed by the political messenger. 

Edited September 1, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Doc]

Just now, SectionC3 said:

he just convinced the class among which COVID now is spreading that the virus is a hoax.  On the bright side, if his followers aren’t dead or infected, at least they don’t have any more problems with worms.  Ivermectin is a hell of a drug. 

 

Interesting theory.  Except totally false.  And he allegedly had no sway over blacks or hispanics, so...

[Niagara Bill]

2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Pandemic deaths, the actual results, are either the responsibility of the the President or they aren’t.  I have no qualms with the position both are accountable or both are not. Anything else is a bunch of mealy mouth nonsense fed by the political messenger. 

Not talking accountability and position, only RESULTS COUNT,  failure is death.

2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Using that metric—That number is dwarfed by the number he kept alive though, huh?  

No, he created this position of freedom, no masks, unnecessary vaccine, bleach in the blood. Created the politics. War needs cohesion not division.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

28 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Not talking accountability and position, only RESULTS COUNT,  failure is death.

No, he created this position of freedom, no masks, unnecessary vaccine, bleach in the blood. Created the politics. War needs cohesion not division.

I’m not wired to look at the world in this overly-simplistic fashion, but it seems like it would be both liberating and limiting at the same time.  

[SoCal Deek]

You guys can go back and forth all you want with your partisan screaming but you're missing the fact that Biden has been on the sideline on Covid since he took office. This is not a RED versus BLUE problem. This is a communication and messaging problem!  As I mentioned last night, out here in DEEP BLUE California even our about to be recalled Governor has admitted the vaccination problem is with People of Color.  Those are definitely not Trump voters! Cut the crap.

[Niagara Bill]

1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I’m not wired to look at the world in this overly-simplistic fashion, but it seems like it would be both liberating and limiting at the same time.  

IMHO, if you cannot see a wide view you have no ability to fit in the details.

Understand and set broad principles before you try to fit include or exclude from the circle. If you begin the discussion with which song you are going to play for the 7th inning stretch, you will never have a first pitch.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

21 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

IMHO, if you cannot see a wide view you have no ability to fit in the details.

Understand and set broad principles before you try to fit include or exclude from the circle. If you begin the discussion with which song you are going to play for the 7th inning stretch, you will never have a first pitch.

Are you trying to out-Confucius me??? Ah hell no! 
 

Using your analogy, you’ve conveniently ignored innings 1-4, where most of one team played by the rules of survival as outlined by the informationally erratic Dr Fauci, while hundreds of thousands completely disregarded said rules, and undoubtedly brought the Vid back to some of the most at-risk communities in our nation.  I can only speculate how low our death count might have been if not for the well-intentioned but woefully misguided protestors causing da spread. 
 

Your analogy ignores the perils of inning 5, where former super Covid healer Cuomo screwed the pooch about as badly as it’s possible to screw a pooch, lied about it and got away with it.  He closed down New Rochelle but lacked the sack to cordon off Man/ha/in and treat it like the hot zone it obviously was. 
 

Inning 6 saw the seeds of vaccine doubt sewn by Messrs Warren, Biden, Harris when they screamed loudly “don’t trust the Trump vax” and obviously, people believed them.  We see that in the numbers even today.  

 

Here’s the only real statistic that matters—-under Trump’s leadership, the amazing, cool, legit and life saving vaxx to combat a virus developed on foreign soil was developed with amazing speed, delivered to market where Joe and your man boy Trudeau only had to not $&@$ it up, but they were not up to the task.  

 

The fact is that Trump saved tens of millions of lives, all praise to 45.  
 

From your friend Lehnny  across the pond, i can understand you taking our gift for granted, but you are welcome anyway. 
 

 

 

 

[Niagara Bill]

1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Are you trying to out-Confucius me??? Ah hell no! 
 

Using your analogy, you’ve conveniently ignored innings 1-4, where most of one team played by the rules of survival as outlined by the informationally erratic Dr Fauci, while hundreds of thousands completely disregarded said rules, and undoubtedly brought the Vid back to some of the most at-risk communities in our nation.  I can only speculate how low our death count might have been if not for the well-intentioned but woefully misguided protestors causing da spread. 
 

Your analogy ignores the perils of inning 5, where former super Covid healer Cuomo screwed the pooch about as badly as it’s possible to screw a pooch, lied about it and got away with it.  He closed down New Rochelle but lacked the sack to cordon off Man/ha/in and treat it like the hot zone it obviously was. 
 

Inning 6 saw the seeds of vaccine doubt sewn by Messrs Warren, Biden, Harris when they screamed loudly “don’t trust the Trump vax” and obviously, people believed them.  We see that in the numbers even today.  

 

Here’s the only real statistic that matters—-under Trump’s leadership, the amazing, cool, legit and life saving vaxx to combat a virus developed on foreign soil was developed with amazing speed, delivered to market where Joe and your man boy Trudeau only had to not $&@$ it up, but they were not up to the task.  

 

The fact is that Trump saved tens of millions of lives, all praise to 45.  
 

From your friend Lehnny  across the pond, i can understand you taking our gift for granted, but you are welcome anyway. 
 

 

 

 

We will never agree that trump was successful with anything covid related. He spend 6 months of valued time trying to show how smart he is and putting bleach jn blood. Ok, debate, blue sky whatever but not with the public watching.

He did not develop the Vax, company based in US, England, China, Russia, Belgium did. Canada did not because all drug companies left in disagreement over patent terms 15 yrs ago. There was also a US company he supported that screwed up the production.

Do you think he was the only country to invest in the production.

But he was the only leader to spend the money, then undermind the use of it.

 Not sure where Cuomo came from but by comparison DeSantis makes Cuomo look like a genius.

You cannot play inning one or 4 until you decide the possibility of a max number and time of pitch one, who bats first, how many players in the field etc. Inning 4 will be a duplicate of 1 if you agree to 3 outs per inning. 

 

Decent from others helped masking take hold in locations, something trumps friends still try to stop. 

I really have no desire to debate trump, he is bad for the US, good for the wealthy, good for the gun lobby, good for destruction of institutions, bad for the world. 

Biden is no genius, infact maybe not as smart as trump, but trump is not capable of leading a country, only part of it. He is only capable of good relationships wigh people or countries or companies when you kiss his a??. 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

46 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

We will never agree that trump was successful with anything covid related. He spend 6 months of valued time trying to show how smart he is and putting bleach jn blood. Ok, debate, blue sky whatever but not with the public watching.

He did not develop the Vax, company based in US, England, China, Russia, Belgium did. Canada did not because all drug companies left in disagreement over patent terms 15 yrs ago. There was also a US company he supported that screwed up the production.

Do you think he was the only country to invest in the production.

But he was the only leader to spend the money, then undermind the use of it.

 Not sure where Cuomo came from but by comparison DeSantis makes Cuomo look like a genius.

You cannot play inning one or 4 until you decide the possibility of a max number and time of pitch one, who bats first, how many players in the field etc. Inning 4 will be a duplicate of 1 if you agree to 3 outs per inning. 

 

Decent from others helped masking take hold in locations, something trumps friends still try to stop. 

I really have no desire to debate trump, he is bad for the US, good for the wealthy, good for the gun lobby, good for destruction of institutions, bad for the world. 

Biden is no genius, infact maybe not as smart as trump, but trump is not capable of leading a country, only part of it. He is only capable of good relationships wigh people or countries or companies when you kiss his a??. 

 

I agree, we won’t agree.  Like you, I won’t surrender points that are a matter of public record in favor of rhetoric that makes no sense to me. 
 

Trump was imperfect in his handling of the virus.  He said things that in retrospect made little sense, were most definitely articulated in a way that exposed his throat to media and political enemies, and was definitely impacted by the learning curve associated with pandemic management.  Still, his focus changed and his approach did as well.  In large part, what he said and did was irrelevant because 90m + Americans weren’t listening to him anyways based on unfounded accusations of Russian collusion for the 4 years prior.  
 

That said, he was criticized by his political enemies for attempting to lock potential carriers out, he supported recovery efforts vocally and with money, temporary hospitals, supplies and the like.    He aligned with businesses that could speed recovery efforts, brought them together on a national public stage and encouraged/strong-armed participation on an unprecedented level.  For that, he was maligned—constantly, repetitively, relentlessly—by his political enemies including many large progressive media outlets  which caused  people —-apolitical, conservatives, democrats and independents—— to question the trustworthiness of the US Government in fighting the pandemic.   Sadly, it worked perfectly.  
 

Respectfully—because I like you—-rattling off any bullshyt that does not recognize the fundamental and crucial role of the Trump administration in the development of the vaccine that will save the world makes you look petty and small-minded.  As for the Canadian government, instead of lobbing emotionally vapid water balloons at the US response, perhaps one might wonder what the Provincial brain trust  was doing when they lost a d*ck-measuring fight over “patent disputes”  to the companies that make the shyt that keep the people alive during, uh pandemics.  Where the hell has leadership been since 2006??  There’s your trouble. 
 

The “Trump for the rich” story is stale, old and cumbersome.  It’s boring, and it’s the shtick liberal and progressives use to bolster their base.  The truly interesting part for me is how they then juxtapose Trump with a lifer like Biden, a guy extraordinarily well-positioned to help the little people for 50 damn years but...hasn’t.  Biden is no genius, indeed,  but damn he’s made boatloads of cash for him and his by fooling people just like you.  In that regard he’s pretty damn smart.  But hey, maybe this time and if not, maybe after re-election when blow dries his wig with an egg beater.  
 

Finally, the record is clear on the positioning of the current democrat leadership in this country on pandemic management last year.  “Don’t trust the vaccine. Don’t trust Trump.  Protest loud and proud while we lock life for the compliant down tight af.  All this did was spread the virus, add to the millions infected, and spike the death count.   I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again—-Death and disease were good for the Biden campaign in 2020.  
 

 

Edited September 2, 2021 by leh-nerd skin-erd