wnyguy Posted June 18, 2024 Posted June 18, 2024 On 6/18/2024 at 1:32 PM, The Frankish Reich said: Fauci on the book publicity tour. A fine man and a fine public servant. We should be thankful for his service. Expand I don't think I've read a funnier line on this forum ever. I tip my hat to you Frankish, the sarcasm, the delivery, both spot on. Very fine work.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 18, 2024 Posted June 18, 2024 On 6/18/2024 at 5:08 PM, Orlando Buffalo said: @Joe Ferguson forever you disagree with something I wrote? Expand uh huh. He didn't know that the virus originated in a lab. He said in the hearing that it isn't clear. The majority of gov't agencies believe the natural mutation route is more probable. He was on salary at NIH. How did he profit? His book was published after he retired. Mask studies weren't available but droplet transmission was widely felt to be present and masks had been proven effective for this type of transmission. The amount of money that NIH granted China was minuscule and vastly i9nadequate to fund research to develop a novel virus. Watch his testimony before congress recently. All of this is addressed. I have no reason to believe he was lying. Now his opponents... On 6/18/2024 at 5:07 PM, Tommy Callahan said: DEMS are big Corporation. Every sector. and their parrots always follow the corporate line. ALWAYS. Expand Yes, we are now the conservatives. Most of us are at least moderately content with how things are but see room for improvement. MAGA's want drastic change and are largely not content... 2 1
The Frankish Reich Posted June 18, 2024 Posted June 18, 2024 (edited) On 6/18/2024 at 5:18 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said: uh huh. He didn't know that the virus originated in a lab. He said in the hearing that it isn't clear. The majority of gov't agencies believe the natural mutation route is more probable. He was on salary at NIH. How did he profit? His book was published after he retired. Mask studies weren't available but droplet transmission was widely felt to be present and masks had been proven effective for this type of transmission. The amount of money that NIH granted China was minuscule and vastly i9nadequate to fund research to develop a novel virus. Watch his testimony before congress recently. All of this is addressed. I have no reason to believe he was lying. Now his opponents... Expand The things that he "lied" about are things like overstating the likely value of mask-wearing. This can be seen as advice to the country that there is something you can do to try to slow the spread rather than cowering in fear at home alone. Really not different than Trump admitting to Woodward that his early overly optimistic proclamations were intended to stop a panic from happening. In retrospect, neither one was a good decision. Although it does appear that people generally did not panic, but rather kept calm and carried on. Edited June 18, 2024 by The Frankish Reich 2
JDHillFan Posted June 18, 2024 Posted June 18, 2024 On 6/18/2024 at 5:23 PM, The Frankish Reich said: The things that he "lied" about are things like overstating the likely value of mask-wearing. This can be seen as advice to the country that there is something you can do to try to slow the spread rather than cowering in fear at home alone. Really not different than Trump admitting to Woodward that his early overly optimistic proclamations were intended to stop a panic from happening. In retrospect, neither one was a good decision. Although it does appear that people generally did not panic, but rather kept calm and carried on. Expand It seems as though you believe the good doctor was truthful in all his congressional testimony regarding wuhan lad/gain of function research and funding. Do I have that correct?
Big Blitz Posted June 18, 2024 Posted June 18, 2024 On 6/18/2024 at 5:18 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said: uh huh. He didn't know that the virus originated in a lab. He said in the hearing that it isn't clear. The majority of gov't agencies believe the natural mutation route is more probable. He was on salary at NIH. How did he profit? His book was published after he retired. Mask studies weren't available but droplet transmission was widely felt to be present and masks had been proven effective for this type of transmission. The amount of money that NIH granted China was minuscule and vastly i9nadequate to fund research to develop a novel virus. Watch his testimony before congress recently. All of this is addressed. I have no reason to believe he was lying. Now his opponents... Yes, we are now the conservatives. Most of us are at least moderately content with how things are but see room for improvement. MAGA's want drastic change and are largely not content... Expand You can’t redefine the current dynamic like it’s a woman. Change lol. Yea from the chaos libs have created. You're conservative lol. Yea you’d like it to remain the upside down.
Steve O Posted June 18, 2024 Posted June 18, 2024 On 6/18/2024 at 5:11 PM, wnyguy said: I don't think I've read a funnier line on this forum ever. I tip my hat to you Frankish, the sarcasm, the delivery, both spot on. Very fine work. Expand Sadly, as I'm sure you know, he was serious😒 1
wnyguy Posted June 18, 2024 Posted June 18, 2024 On 6/18/2024 at 6:28 PM, Steve O said: Sadly, as I'm sure you know, he was serious😒 Expand That makes it even funnier. Fauci should be drawn and quartered IMO. 1 2
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 18, 2024 Posted June 18, 2024 (edited) On 6/18/2024 at 6:32 PM, wnyguy said: That makes it even funnier. Fauci should be drawn and quartered IMO. Expand But the J6 chorus should be pardoned. Talk about upside down. What a mess. On 6/18/2024 at 6:17 PM, Big Blitz said: You can’t redefine the current dynamic like it’s a woman. Change lol. Yea from the chaos libs have created. You're conservative lol. Yea you’d like it to remain the upside down. Expand I have no desire for drastic change. MAGAs generally do. The chaos I see in American society right now mostly is initiated by MAGAs Edited June 18, 2024 by Joe Ferguson forever 1 1
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted June 18, 2024 Posted June 18, 2024 On 6/18/2024 at 8:17 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said: But the J6 chorus should be pardoned. Talk about upside down. What a mess. I have no desire for drastic change. MAGAs generally do. Expand You can't quote Irv without permission, what a mess! 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 18, 2024 Posted June 18, 2024 (edited) Mask effectiveness is not settled science. The Cochran review often given as definitive proof against masks is not accepted as such among many scientists/clinicians https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10484132/ “The Cochrane review mentioned many of its own limitations and weaknesses, particularly with regard to face masks and its limited number of robust studies; it, therefore, cautioned against drawing any strong conclusions. Given the strong opinions expressed about the study, Cochrane further clarified that their review should not be used as evidence against mask efficacy per se, noting that the data were not definitive and that masks might be effective at preventing respiratory virus infection.8” Edited June 18, 2024 by Joe Ferguson forever
JDHillFan Posted June 18, 2024 Posted June 18, 2024 On 6/18/2024 at 8:31 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said: Mask effectiveness is not settled science. Expand Thanks for straightening this out for everyone. I’ve been struggling with the whole mask deal for a while now. I blame this:
JaCrispy Posted June 18, 2024 Author Posted June 18, 2024 On 6/18/2024 at 5:02 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said: hmmm.. a bit overstated but maybe what you perceive is because so many of us were Republicans. The real ones... Expand This is true… There is a “big switch” happening now… The Dems, who used to be for the working class, unions, and civil liberties is now represented by more Republicans… However, there are still far too many Republicans, for my taste, who are globalists and Big Corp… We are also seeing minorities starting to switch parties as well…very interesting what’s happening…One for the history books…👍
Orlando Buffalo Posted June 19, 2024 Posted June 19, 2024 On 6/18/2024 at 5:18 PM, Joe Ferguson forever said: uh huh. He didn't know that the virus originated in a lab. He said in the hearing that it isn't clear. The majority of gov't agencies believe the natural mutation route is more probable. He was on salary at NIH. How did he profit? His book was published after he retired. Mask studies weren't available but droplet transmission was widely felt to be present and masks had been proven effective for this type of transmission. The amount of money that NIH granted China was minuscule and vastly i9nadequate to fund research to develop a novel virus. Watch his testimony before congress recently. All of this is addressed. I have no reason to believe he was lying. Now his opponents... Yes, we are now the conservatives. Most of us are at least moderately content with how things are but see room for improvement. MAGA's want drastic change and are largely not content... Expand You still believe the source of the virus was not the lab doing research on SARs in Wuhan which had previously been cited for poor security conditions, but you believe it came from the market despite there being no shown pathway from Bats to humans? Seriously you are gullible.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted June 19, 2024 Posted June 19, 2024 (edited) On 6/19/2024 at 12:52 AM, Orlando Buffalo said: You still believe the source of the virus was not the lab doing research on SARs in Wuhan which had previously been cited for poor security conditions, but you believe it came from the market despite there being no shown pathway from Bats to humans? Seriously you are gullible. Expand 4 out of 6 US intelligence committees must also be gullible then, I agree with Dr Fauci- this is Jason Bourne, CIA conspiracy shite. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fauci-denies-suppressing-covid-lab-leak-theory-before-us-house-panel-2024-06-03/ "I've also been very, very clear, and said multiple times, that I don’t think the concept of there being a lab (leak) is inherently a conspiracy theory," he said. "What is conspiracy is the kind of distortions of that particular subject, like it was a lab leak, and I was parachuted into the CIA like Jason Bourne and told the CIA that they should really not be talking about a lab leak," he told a U.S. House of Representatives panel. Edited June 19, 2024 by Joe Ferguson forever
Scraps Posted June 19, 2024 Posted June 19, 2024 On 6/19/2024 at 12:52 AM, Orlando Buffalo said: You still believe the source of the virus was not the lab doing research on SARs in Wuhan which had previously been cited for poor security conditions, but you believe it came from the market despite there being no shown pathway from Bats to humans? Seriously you are gullible. Expand I don't think there is conclusive evidence one way or the other. There is no smoking gun evidence for the lab leak theory. Here is a study supporting the market theory but it is certainly not conclusive. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-new-evidence-from-the-wuhan-market-tells-us-about-covids-origins1/ Even if you believe the lab leak theory, you should still be concerned about potential zoonotic jumps of viruses. How do you think every other pandemic in history was caused when the vast, vast majority of that time we didn't even know about viruses let alone experiment with them?
Orlando Buffalo Posted June 19, 2024 Posted June 19, 2024 On 6/19/2024 at 1:01 AM, Joe Ferguson forever said: 4 out of 6 US intelligence committees must also be gullible then, I agree with Dr Fauci- this is Jason Bourne, CIA conspiracy shite. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fauci-denies-suppressing-covid-lab-leak-theory-before-us-house-panel-2024-06-03/ "I've also been very, very clear, and said multiple times, that I don’t think the concept of there being a lab (leak) is inherently a conspiracy theory," he said. "What is conspiracy is the kind of distortions of that particular subject, like it was a lab leak, and I was parachuted into the CIA like Jason Bourne and told the CIA that they should really not be talking about a lab leak," he told a U.S. House of Representatives panel. Expand When did anyone insinuate he parachuted into the CIA? He knew they were running SARs test in Wuhan and still played up the wet market without mentioning the lab. If you can show me one person, even Alex Jones, who insinuated he parachuted in to the CIA I will stop believing you are gullible. As for the 4 of 6 agencies, can you show me there thoughts recently?
JDHillFan Posted June 19, 2024 Posted June 19, 2024 On 6/19/2024 at 1:16 AM, Orlando Buffalo said: When did anyone insinuate he parachuted into the CIA? He knew they were running SARs test in Wuhan and still played up the wet market without mentioning the lab. If you can show me one person, even Alex Jones, who insinuated he parachuted in to the CIA I will stop believing you are gullible. As for the 4 of 6 agencies, can you show me there thoughts recently? Expand The part Redhawk likes to leave out in his 4 of 6 agencies routine is they declared their beliefs specifically as being “low confidence”.
Scraps Posted June 19, 2024 Posted June 19, 2024 On 6/19/2024 at 1:20 AM, JDHillFan said: The part Redhawk likes to leave out in his 4 of 6 agencies routine is they declared their beliefs specifically as being “low confidence”. Expand Kind of like the other 2 had about their beliefs? 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted June 19, 2024 Posted June 19, 2024 On 6/19/2024 at 1:16 AM, Scraps said: I don't think there is conclusive evidence one way or the other. There is no smoking gun evidence for the lab leak theory. Here is a study supporting the market theory but it is certainly not conclusive. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-new-evidence-from-the-wuhan-market-tells-us-about-covids-origins1/ Even if you believe the lab leak theory, you should still be concerned about potential zoonotic jumps of viruses. How do you think every other pandemic in history was caused when the vast, vast majority of that time we didn't even know about viruses let alone experiment with them? Expand Your article stated that the virus was definitely passed around the market, which of course happened because it is a place of concentration of people. It literally says in the sub headline that there is no evidence the animals even had it much less were the source. The fact that so many previous virus came from animals is not news to anyone except extreme liberals, but that is unrelated to this discussion, unless your only goal is political and has to be a strawman argument
JDHillFan Posted June 19, 2024 Posted June 19, 2024 On 6/19/2024 at 1:21 AM, Scraps said: Kind of like the other 2 had about their beliefs? Expand And? Despite the recent testimony cited above, it’s always been clear that discussions of a lab leak have been looked down on, to the point of a NYT journalist calling people racists for believing it. If you prefer to align yourself with the natural origin story, have at it. I will keep an open mind but lean towards common sense on the matter.
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