Doc Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 31 minutes ago, cle23 said: Well, seeing as how the Jan 6th hearing is a first time thing, obviously it is going to get more attention. Do you not see the news? There is talk of all the things you mentioned. Twitter? It's all over the place. There are hundreds of forms of media at this point, even message boards. Those things are all discussed at length. The Jan 6th hearing is the "prime time" event right now because it is something new, and it is occurring right now. Crime, inflation, the borders, etc are all ongoing things no matter who is in office. What happened there is a one time thing. Never again will requests for additional security be denied for political reasons. Never will the Capitol be as insecure as it was on that day. And even if Trump is re-elected, he won't be serving a 3rd term so there won't be another protest.
cle23 Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Doc said: What happened there is a one time thing. Never again will requests for additional security be denied for political reasons. Never will the Capitol be as insecure as it was on that day. And even if Trump is re-elected, he won't be serving a 3rd term so there won't be another protest. I don't know how you can say it was a one time thing. I am not comparing the two directly, but Hitler tried a coup once and failed. Somehow, he was able to attempt another one and succeed. So you can't say "it'll never happen." Edited July 13, 2022 by cle23 1 1
Big Blitz Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 Per still state run Twitter.......more people are talking about NHL Free Agency (#3 fake trend) vs 9.1% in June (#5 trend) They're headlining it "9.1% in June." Haha If Trump was in Office it would be something like "Drumpflation soaring." Or "Can't afford anything." 2
dpberr Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 I remember a few months ago, the "experts" laughed off 8, 9 percent. This entire inflation event is 100% self-inflicted policy error. The Fed has no choice but to pilot the economy into a very steep, hopefully short, recession at this point. It's the only way you can hope to get inflation back to 2% by the end of the decade. We're all going to bleed in our 401ks or jobs, likely both. 1 1 1
cle23 Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, dpberr said: I remember a few months ago, the "experts" laughed off 8, 9 percent. This entire inflation event is 100% self-inflicted policy error. The Fed has no choice but to pilot the economy into a very steep, hopefully short, recession at this point. It's the only way you can hope to get inflation back to 2% by the end of the decade. We're all going to bleed in our 401ks or jobs, likely both. A worldwide policy error though? I know there were a lot of stimulus's across the world that will cause this inflation to an extent. 1
ChiGoose Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, cle23 said: A worldwide policy error though? I know there were a lot of stimulus's across the world that will cause this inflation to an extent. No, no, you see, we're not allowed to look at other countries for comparison. If we don't like the current president, then everything bad is 100% their fault and anything about similar problems elsewhere is non-admissible. 1
Irv Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 (edited) On 7/11/2022 at 7:58 PM, B-Man said: This is the latest deflection tactic. Inflation is high because gas prices are high, because...wait for it. Because of Putin. Nothing to see here. Our demented, America Last, energy policy is changing people's lives. It sure is! Meanwhile the Kangaroo Congress ignores the country crumbling wasting time and money on the January 6th sham. What a mess. Edited July 13, 2022 by Irv 1
B-Man Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, ChiGoose said: No, no, you see, we're not allowed to look at other countries for comparison. If we don't like the current president, then everything bad is 100% their fault and anything about similar problems elsewhere is non-admissible. Edited July 13, 2022 by B-Man 3 1
SoCal Deek Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: This is an economics issue, not political. The supply chains will work themselves out. Hopefully we as a society use the high energy prices to move faster on renewable sources. So….in short….trust the process. 😉
Big Blitz Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 1 hour ago, ChiGoose said: No, no, you see, we're not allowed to look at other countries for comparison. If we don't like the current president, then everything bad is 100% their fault and anything about similar problems elsewhere is non-admissible. No. Not the current President The entire Democrat Party. A worldwide problem made worse because it's horrific here, in the U.S. thanks 1000000% to losers of the globalist party that thought 15 days to slow the spread was a good idea - that includes Trump - who's response to Fauci and Xi should have been "get the f*** out of my office." His tweets and fights he picked really put us all in our feelings he just had to go! Enjoy your retirements everyone! This is going to be a 10 plus year problem before anything close to normal begins under President DeSantis.
Doc Posted July 13, 2022 Posted July 13, 2022 5 hours ago, cle23 said: I don't know how you can say it was a one time thing. I am not comparing the two directly, but Hitler tried a coup once and failed. Somehow, he was able to attempt another one and succeed. So you can't say "it'll never happen." I gave you the reasons why it's a one time thing. And they spent $2.1B on improving Capitol security. If that's not enough and what happened J6 isn't enough of an example of not taking warnings seriously, if there is a next time, that's on them.
Big Blitz Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 13 hours ago, ChiGoose said: No, no, you see, we're not allowed to look at other countries for comparison. If we don't like the current president, then everything bad is 100% their fault and anything about similar problems elsewhere is non-admissible. Gas is cheaper in Mexico.... "Mexican President brags about lower gas prices in Mexico."
ALF Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) Inflation has made me dislike Democrat and Republican politicians , get off ALF's lawn 🙂 Edited July 14, 2022 by ALF 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 44 minutes ago, Doc said: Can the drug smugglers also bring over gas... Occasionally I'd take a ride over the Peace Bridge into Ft. Erie to fill up when US prices went through the roof at a time that was much longer ago than I care to remember. For the same money I would have spent on the US side filling my tank I filled my tank in Canada and had enough left over to buy a case of Molson's to bring home.
ALF Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 Austan Goolsbee , economist , the Fed has only 1 tool to fix inflation , a screwdriver to tighten or loosen interest rates. If you need a saw or hammer they don't have that.
ChiGoose Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 7 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Gas is cheaper in Mexico.... "Mexican President brags about lower gas prices in Mexico." Note that I did not say that the US has the cheapest gas prices. Obviously there are countries with cheaper prices. Let's look at prices around the world: USD per Gallon: Venezuela 0.084 Libya 0.116 Iran 0.202 Syria 1.082 Algeria* 1.185 Kuwait* 1.291 Angola 1.41 Nigeria 1.577 Turkmenistan 1.621 Kazakhstan 1.66 Malaysia* 1.753 Iraq 1.943 Egypt* 1.954 Bahrain 2.009 Bolivia* 2.054 Colombia* 2.124 Haiti 2.154 Qatar* 2.183 Azerbaijan 2.227 Saudi Arabia* 2.349 Oman* 2.35 Ecuador* 2.4 Ethiopia 2.67 Tunisia 2.869 Kyrgyzstan* 3.015 Russia* 3.137 Benin* 3.495 Gabon 3.525 Bangladesh 3.597 Belarus* 3.616 Togo* 3.641 Uzbekistan 3.7 Afghanistan 3.723 Trinidad & Tobago 3.755 Cameroon* 3.787 Argentina* 3.803 Taiwan* 3.967 Maldives 4.081 Botswana 4.134 Suriname* 4.137 Burkina Faso* 4.165 Ivory Coast* 4.282 El Salvador* 4.31 Mexico* 4.317 DR Congo 4.433 Pakistan* 4.53 Brazil* 4.567 Grenada* 4.622 Burma* 4.631 Indonesia* 4.639 Japan* 4.647 United Arab Emirates* 4.658 Mali 4.725 Cuba 4.77 Bhutan 4.787 Swaziland 4.791 Sudan 4.8 Chile* 4.801 Puerto Rico* 4.847 Guyana* 4.867 Kenya* 4.868 Liberia 4.887 Vietnam* 4.913 USA* 4.915 India* 4.962 Thailand* 5.007 Guatemala* 5.049 Dominica 5.058 Malta* 5.093 Georgia* 5.103 Mozambique* 5.155 Nicaragua* 5.162 Senegal 5.185 Namibia* 5.186 Tanzania* 5.217 Guinea 5.22 Lebanon* 5.244 China* 5.307 Dominican Republic* 5.357 Lesotho* 5.371 Rwanda* 5.375 Nepal* 5.386 Australia* 5.408 Mongolia 5.417 Madagascar* 5.447 Paraguay 5.497 Turkey* 5.512 Saint Lucia* 5.533 Ghana* 5.544 Costa Rica* 5.59 Panama* 5.743 Sri Lanka* 5.773 Honduras* 5.793 Philippines* 5.829 Fiji* 5.839 South Africa* 5.847 Burundi 5.966 Cambodia* 5.986 Canada* 6.054 Poland* 6.12 Curacao* 6.192 Zambia* 6.192 Moldova* 6.229 Mauritius* 6.262 Peru* 6.286 Uganda 6.297 Sierra Leone* 6.323 South Korea* 6.33 Montenegro* 6.461 Ukraine* 6.475 Northern Macedonia* 6.543 Slovenia* 6.548 Cape Verde* 6.55 Bulgaria* 6.551 Jamaica* 6.553 Morocco 6.609 Jordan* 6.621 Serbia* 6.638 Romania* 6.643 Wallis and Futuna 6.735 Bosnia & Herz.* 6.76 Cayman Islands* 6.798 Luxembourg* 6.928 Cyprus* 6.943 Germany* 6.943 Andorra* 6.951 Bahamas 6.968 Liechtenstein 7.053 Laos* 7.062 Aruba* 7.07 Hungary* 7.084 Seychelles 7.176 Slovakia* 7.251 San Marino 7.255 Lithuania* 7.331 Malawi* 7.358 Czech Republic* 7.382 Albania 7.471 Mayotte* 7.487 Zimbabwe* 7.493 France* 7.533 Latvia* 7.563 Uruguay* 7.596 Croatia* 7.596 New Zealand* 7.671 Portugal* 7.673 Italy* 7.71 Spain* 7.743 Belgium* 7.878 Austria* 7.981 Sweden* 8.021 Singapore* 8.058 Ireland* 8.205 Estonia* 8.243 Switzerland* 8.466 United Kingdom* 8.58 Monaco 8.6 Netherlands* 8.707 Belize* 8.721 Central African Rep. 8.739 Finland* 8.825 Barbados* 8.838 Greece* 8.908 Denmark* 8.909 Israel* 9.007 Norway* 9.07 Iceland* 9.338 Hong Kong 11.448 So yeah, gas prices are higher in the US than normal, but we are far from having the most expensive gas. 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 21 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Note that I did not say that the US has the cheapest gas prices. Obviously there are countries with cheaper prices. Let's look at prices around the world: USD per Gallon: Venezuela 0.084 Libya 0.116 Iran 0.202 Syria 1.082 Algeria* 1.185 Kuwait* 1.291 Angola 1.41 Nigeria 1.577 Turkmenistan 1.621 Kazakhstan 1.66 Malaysia* 1.753 Iraq 1.943 Egypt* 1.954 Bahrain 2.009 Bolivia* 2.054 Colombia* 2.124 Haiti 2.154 Qatar* 2.183 Azerbaijan 2.227 Saudi Arabia* 2.349 Oman* 2.35 Ecuador* 2.4 Ethiopia 2.67 Tunisia 2.869 Kyrgyzstan* 3.015 Russia* 3.137 Benin* 3.495 Gabon 3.525 Bangladesh 3.597 Belarus* 3.616 Togo* 3.641 Uzbekistan 3.7 Afghanistan 3.723 Trinidad & Tobago 3.755 Cameroon* 3.787 Argentina* 3.803 Taiwan* 3.967 Maldives 4.081 Botswana 4.134 Suriname* 4.137 Burkina Faso* 4.165 Ivory Coast* 4.282 El Salvador* 4.31 Mexico* 4.317 DR Congo 4.433 Pakistan* 4.53 Brazil* 4.567 Grenada* 4.622 Burma* 4.631 Indonesia* 4.639 Japan* 4.647 United Arab Emirates* 4.658 Mali 4.725 Cuba 4.77 Bhutan 4.787 Swaziland 4.791 Sudan 4.8 Chile* 4.801 Puerto Rico* 4.847 Guyana* 4.867 Kenya* 4.868 Liberia 4.887 Vietnam* 4.913 USA* 4.915 India* 4.962 Thailand* 5.007 Guatemala* 5.049 Dominica 5.058 Malta* 5.093 Georgia* 5.103 Mozambique* 5.155 Nicaragua* 5.162 Senegal 5.185 Namibia* 5.186 Tanzania* 5.217 Guinea 5.22 Lebanon* 5.244 China* 5.307 Dominican Republic* 5.357 Lesotho* 5.371 Rwanda* 5.375 Nepal* 5.386 Australia* 5.408 Mongolia 5.417 Madagascar* 5.447 Paraguay 5.497 Turkey* 5.512 Saint Lucia* 5.533 Ghana* 5.544 Costa Rica* 5.59 Panama* 5.743 Sri Lanka* 5.773 Honduras* 5.793 Philippines* 5.829 Fiji* 5.839 South Africa* 5.847 Burundi 5.966 Cambodia* 5.986 Canada* 6.054 Poland* 6.12 Curacao* 6.192 Zambia* 6.192 Moldova* 6.229 Mauritius* 6.262 Peru* 6.286 Uganda 6.297 Sierra Leone* 6.323 South Korea* 6.33 Montenegro* 6.461 Ukraine* 6.475 Northern Macedonia* 6.543 Slovenia* 6.548 Cape Verde* 6.55 Bulgaria* 6.551 Jamaica* 6.553 Morocco 6.609 Jordan* 6.621 Serbia* 6.638 Romania* 6.643 Wallis and Futuna 6.735 Bosnia & Herz.* 6.76 Cayman Islands* 6.798 Luxembourg* 6.928 Cyprus* 6.943 Germany* 6.943 Andorra* 6.951 Bahamas 6.968 Liechtenstein 7.053 Laos* 7.062 Aruba* 7.07 Hungary* 7.084 Seychelles 7.176 Slovakia* 7.251 San Marino 7.255 Lithuania* 7.331 Malawi* 7.358 Czech Republic* 7.382 Albania 7.471 Mayotte* 7.487 Zimbabwe* 7.493 France* 7.533 Latvia* 7.563 Uruguay* 7.596 Croatia* 7.596 New Zealand* 7.671 Portugal* 7.673 Italy* 7.71 Spain* 7.743 Belgium* 7.878 Austria* 7.981 Sweden* 8.021 Singapore* 8.058 Ireland* 8.205 Estonia* 8.243 Switzerland* 8.466 United Kingdom* 8.58 Monaco 8.6 Netherlands* 8.707 Belize* 8.721 Central African Rep. 8.739 Finland* 8.825 Barbados* 8.838 Greece* 8.908 Denmark* 8.909 Israel* 9.007 Norway* 9.07 Iceland* 9.338 Hong Kong 11.448 So yeah, gas prices are higher in the US than normal, but we are far from having the most expensive gas. One other thing to consider. American's, especially those living in suburbs and rural areas, are more dependent on the automobile, drive less fuel efficient vehicles, and drive more miles than citizens of other countries. US residents use more fuel per capita than people in other developed countries. So the impact of rising fuel prices is greater. The US consumes approximately 9.4 million gallons of gasoline per day. At 42 gallons per barrel. How much more gas do we use? 1.9 times Australia per capita 1.2 times Canada 4.5 time Denmark 10.4 times France 5.0 times Germany 7.0 time Italy 3.4 time Japan 4.6 time Netherlands 5.2 times Norway 3.7 times Sweden 5.0 times UK
ChiGoose Posted July 14, 2022 Posted July 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: One other thing to consider. American's, especially those living in suburbs and rural areas, are more dependent on the automobile, drive less fuel efficient vehicles, and drive more miles than citizens of other countries. US residents use more fuel per capita than people in other developed countries. So the impact of rising fuel prices is greater. The US consumes approximately 9.4 million gallons of gasoline per day. At 42 gallons per barrel. How much more gas do we use? 1.9 times Australia per capita 1.2 times Canada 4.5 time Denmark 10.4 times France 5.0 times Germany 7.0 time Italy 3.4 time Japan 4.6 time Netherlands 5.2 times Norway 3.7 times Sweden 5.0 times UK Oh, this is definitely true. We are a very car-centric culture and people in Europe have better access to public transit that mitigates the rising cost of fuel. I do not mean to say in anyway that the cost of fuel is immaterial or that we should be happy about it because it's more expensive elsewhere. I roll my eyes when I see my more liberal friends post about wanting gas prices to be higher to drive down car use because they completely ignore that this would greatly harm the poor and working class they claim to support so much. I mostly just wanted to point out that this isn't an issue singular to the US like we have high prices and everybody else is fine.
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