The BIG LIE

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

I've read enough of your posts to know every discussion with you is one person discussing, and you asking question after question.

 

Not gonna play your game, Jimbo.

 

So sorry I’m trying to understand your position. You say it’s a threat to the Republic. Ok that’s fine. What makes you say that?  
 

That is how a debate works my friend.  

[Doc]

White supremacy is a smaller threat than its ever been and getting smaller everyday. 

[Niagara Bill]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

And you think that Russia, for the first time ever, just started meddling in the USA's elections in 2016?  And what followed from that was not harmful to the USA?

 

As for fraud, again, there is no way to track it.   And people will try and lie, cheat and steal anything they can, and elections are no different.

Sometimes Doc you make no sense. General consensus was that Russia helped trump. Rudy and Manfrotto, Stone, etc talked with Russia. All of that us not so bad except trump and the GOP cannot be trusted to a higher degree than dems.

Lies, cheating, have been part of every election since Washington.

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

White supremacy is a smaller threat than its ever been and getting smaller everyday. 

 

I'm not sure how big the threat is to the Republic. Those claiming it is don't like my asking.  Gee I wonder why.  

[BillStime]

After the past four years - I believe the guy

 

 

I believe this guy, too:

 

White supremacists remain deadliest US terror threat, Homeland Security report says

 

White supremacist extremists will remain the deadliest domestic terror threat to the United States, according to the Department of Homeland Security's first annual homeland threat assessment, which details a range of threats from election interference to unprecedented storms.

 

Since 2018, White supremacists have conducted more lethal attacks in the US than any other domestic extremist movement, demonstrating a "longstanding intent" to target racial and religious minorities, members of the LGBTQ+ community, politicians and those they believe promote multi-culturalism and globalization, according to the report.

 

"As Secretary, I am concerned about any form of violent extremism," wrote acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf. "However, I am particularly concerned about white supremacist violent extremists who have been exceptionally lethal in their abhorrent, targeted attacks in recent years."

 

And there is more!

 

DHS: White Supremacists ‘The Most Persistent and Lethal Threat’ Within the U.S.

 

The assessment follows widespread outrage that President Donald Trump has not done enough to condemn white supremacists.

 

"Proud Boys," Biden interjected.

"Proud Boys: Stand back and stand by," Trump said.

Edited May 13, 2021 by BillStime

[BillStime]

 

Florida Times-Union Editorial Page: White supremacy emerges as America's No. 1 terrorism threat

 

Since 2018, white supremacists have conducted more lethal attacks on the U.S. than any other group. And these attacks sometimes target law enforcement officers.

 

At the same time people described have been exploiting peaceful protests, "causing violence, death and destruction in American communities," Wolf wrote. There were more than 100 days of this kind of violence, causing more than 300 separate injuries to Homeland Security officers. Among the weapons used against them were sledgehammers, commercial fireworks, rocks, metal pipes and explosive devices.

 

12 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

I'm not sure how big the threat is to the Republic. Those claiming it is don't like my asking.  Gee I wonder why.  

 

Geeeeee, I dunno what these guys are talking about...

-Jim

 

White supremacists on par with Isis as ‘top threat,’ FBI director says at Capitol riot hearing

[BillStime]

Democracy is a threat to white supremacy—and that is the cause of America’s crisis

 

There is no misunderstanding the message, nor the mission. And make no mistake:

 

If these had been peaceful protestors for racial justice rather than violent combatants for white pride and grievance, law enforcement would have used extreme force, if not live bullets, to keep the building secure.

 

We know for sure because this is exactly what happened only a few months ago, as federal forces tear-gassed the peaceably assembled outside the White House to clear the area for a photo-op.

 

 

 

[Chef Jim]

8 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Florida Times-Union Editorial Page: White supremacy emerges as America's No. 1 terrorism threat

 

Since 2018, white supremacists have conducted more lethal attacks on the U.S. than any other group. And these attacks sometimes target law enforcement officers.

 

At the same time people described have been exploiting peaceful protests, "causing violence, death and destruction in American communities," Wolf wrote. There were more than 100 days of this kind of violence, causing more than 300 separate injuries to Homeland Security officers. Among the weapons used against them were sledgehammers, commercial fireworks, rocks, metal pipes and explosive devices.

 

 

Geeeeee, I dunno what these guys are talking about...

-Jim

 

White supremacists on par with Isis as ‘top threat,’ FBI director says at Capitol riot hearing

 

Right up there with Isis.  Who??  

 

Bwahahahahahaha!!

 

And Democracy is a threat to White Supremacy not the other way around.  

 

Hysteria for no reason. 

[Doc]

21 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Sometimes Doc you make no sense. General consensus was that Russia helped trump. Rudy and Manfrotto, Stone, etc talked with Russia. All of that us not so bad except trump and the GOP cannot be trusted to a higher degree than dems.

Lies, cheating, have been part of every election since Washington.

 

"General consensus."  LOL!  No, it's a Dem consensus.  A few million on Fakebook ads negating a billion dollars spent by Hillary's campaign is what doesn't make any sense.

[Niagara Bill]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

"General consensus."  LOL!  No, it's a Dem consensus.  A few million on Fakebook ads negating a billion dollars spent by Hillary's campaign is what doesn't make any sense.

See there you go again, miss stating the obvious. You really have to ignore a lot to not believe that help in 2016 came from Russia on behalf of trump. 

That us not to say the dems are pure and they do overstate many facts. 

 

But Doc, you know trump and GOP members lied about this...

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Niagara Bill said:

See there you go again, miss stating the obvious. You really have to ignore a lot to not believe that help in 2016 came from Russia on behalf of trump. 

That us not to say the dems are pure and they do overstate many facts. 

 

But Doc, you know trump and GOP members lied about this...

 

You have no idea what you're talking about.  Please tell me, what help did they provide?  Try to look beyond the superficial "well, I've heard that Russia helped him..."

[Niagara Bill]

56 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

You have no idea what you're talking about.  Please tell me, what help did they provide?  Try to look beyond the superficial "well, I've heard that Russia helped him..."

Sorry I am not a full time pro with records at my finger tips and don't accept info from Tucker or Cuomo (I do love Erin Burnett). 

Not going to get into a debate of minut details.

Trump lies, his peeps make up their version of events, the GOP has gone so far right and the dems do far left there is a place for a third party.

[Doc]

6 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Sorry I am not a full time pro with records at my finger tips and don't accept info from Tucker or Cuomo (I do love Erin Burnett). 

Not going to get into a debate of minut details.

Trump lies, his peeps make up their version of events, the GOP has gone so far right and the dems do far left there is a place for a third party.

 

Suffice it to say that there's nothing Russia could have done (outside of changing actual votes, which we know didn't happen) that would/should have swayed anyone's vote given the billion+ dollars Hilly spent on her campaign and how well-known she was. 

 

As for a 3rd party, sure there's room, but there's no chance they'll win a Presidential election anytime soon.  So you're left to choose one of the 2 parties that most aligns with your beliefs.

[Governor]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Suffice it to say that there's nothing Russia could have done (outside of changing actual votes, which we know didn't happen) that would/should have swayed anyone's vote given the billion+ dollars Hilly spent on her campaign and how well-known she was. 

 

As for a 3rd party, sure there's room, but there's no chance they'll win a Presidential election anytime soon.  So you're left to choose one of the 2 parties that most aligns with your beliefs.

Well, that isn’t actually true. We know state systems in some states had their voter rolls hacked. That wasn’t intended to actually change votes, it was to hump up precincts and create confusion and long lines, due to people’s data being deleted, changed, modified, etc. 

 

States reported that happening in highly dense Dem areas. Those stories slowly trickled out over those 4 years. All that matters is that they fixed it. There were no reports this time around.

Edited May 14, 2021 by Governor

[Niagara Bill]

8 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Suffice it to say that there's nothing Russia could have done (outside of changing actual votes, which we know didn't happen) that would/should have swayed anyone's vote given the billion+ dollars Hilly spent on her campaign and how well-known she was. 

 

As for a 3rd party, sure there's room, but there's no chance they'll win a Presidential election anytime soon.  So you're left to choose one of the 2 parties that most aligns with your beliefs.

3rd parties take votes away and can hurt. 

Russia certainly influenced the deep state theories. I am sure Rhino was a paid agent😁

[Niagara Bill]

6 hours ago, Governor said:

Well, that isn’t actually true. We know state systems in some states had their voter rolls hacked. That wasn’t intended to actually change votes, it was to hump up precincts and create confusion and long lines, due to people’s data being deleted, changed, modified, etc. 

 

States reported that happening in highly dense Dem areas. Those stories slowly trickled out over those 4 years. All that matters is that they fixed it. There were no reports this time around.

Without a doubt, dems have manipulate roles in high density areas historically. Been going on since Capone.

NOT ONE INSTANCE WAS PROVED OR SHOWN BY RUDY OR HIS FAKE NEWS PEEPS.

Elections in A vast country with 300,000,000 voters will always have some minor violations, but trumpers suggested major and proved nothing. The GOP is harming your country with these lies and fake news.

 

[Chef Jim]

9 hours ago, Governor said:

Well, that isn’t actually true. We know state systems in some states had their voter rolls hacked. That wasn’t intended to actually change votes, it was to hump up precincts and create confusion and long lines, due to people’s data being deleted, changed, modified, etc. 

 

States reported that happening in highly dense Dem areas. Those stories slowly trickled out over those 4 years. All that matters is that they fixed it. There were no reports this time around.

So are you suggesting the voter rolls need cleaning up? 

[Unforgiven]

18 hours ago, Doc said:

White supremacy is a smaller threat than its ever been and getting smaller everyday. 

White supremacy is the real big lie, it's the sickle of the radical lefties

[716er]

39 minutes ago, Unforgiven said:

White supremacy is the real big lie, it's the sickle of the radical lefties

 

[BillStime]

We hear it all day here...

 

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