Can Patriots challenge with run first offense this year?

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

26 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Are you going to be okay ?   When they win a playoff game without Tom Brady we can entertain your theories.    Probably won’t happen though.   Know what I mean ? 

 

Based on what? Your opinion? You have zero credibility. Yes, I will be okay. I'm a Bills fan and I hope every player the Pats ever draft busts. But in life and not just football, I like to base my opinions on historical outcomes & common sense. 

 

Just because some late round project QBs the Pats took a flyer on in the past never became all-stars doesn't mean I'm going to automatically assume Mac Jones is going to be a bust. Maybe he does and maybe he doesn't, but your opinion is nothing more than a ****ing guess so stop acting like u know wtf's going to happen in the future like your smarter than their front office. 🤮

 

I'm done arguing w/ u and your trollish tactics. It's one thing to disagree w/ someone, but it's another to act like a know-it-all, pompous douche. I'm making a mental note to ignore future posts from u. ✌️

Edited May 12, 2021 by ChronicAndKnuckles

[PonyBoy]

On 5/7/2021 at 9:25 PM, joey greco said:

You can make the playoffs but can't win the Super Bowl with a run first or smashmouth offense.  It's a relic of a dead era, the rules advantage passing offenses, and if that cheating ***** wants to go 9 and 7 for the rest of eternity he's on the right track, ***** him, ***** his cheating ass, ***** the pats, the end, god bless.

Tell us how you really feel 😃

[dave mcbride]

27 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And AJ Brown. I still think of the guys in that draft he is the best receiver and he sure as hell was tailor made for that Patriots scheme. Harry never even seemed like a scheme fit. 

 

The last half a decade of Patriots drafting has been atrocious.

The thing about Harry is that in terms of measurables, he was regarded as being the best catch-radius guy by far and the sort of player that wins jump balls. But the league is moving away from jump ball guys. The Bills have little interest in them and instead focus on guys who can get separation. The last jump ball investment the Bills made was in Kelvin Benjamin, and look at how that turned out. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

The thing about Harry is that in terms of measurables, he was regarded as being the best catch-radius guy by far and the sort of player that wins jump balls. But the league is moving away from jump ball guys. The Bills have little interest in them and instead focus on guys who can get separation. The last jump ball investment the Bills made was in Kelvin Benjamin, and look at how that turned out. 

 

But also when have the Pats been a "jump ball" team at receiver? Like it didn't even make sense in terms of the guys they normally value. They like route runners not jump ball guys. Weird pick. I think there are some other schemes where there is still a place as in the league as a #2 for a guy like Harry but he isn't a #1 so shouldn't have been drafted in the 1st and certainly not by New England for that scheme. 

[Buffalo03]

Brady is gone. The Patriots might make the playoffs but their super bowl glory days are over

[Ghost_002!]

28 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But also when have the Pats been a "jump ball" team at receiver? Like it didn't even make sense in terms of the guys they normally value. They like route runners not jump ball guys. Weird pick. I think there are some other schemes where there is still a place as in the league as a #2 for a guy like Harry but he isn't a #1 so shouldn't have been drafted in the 1st and certainly not by New England for that scheme. 

 

 

You are dead on correct! In fact during the Harry draft. BB was told by his scouts that the wide outs already named in a pervious post were the ones to take not Harry, but BB ignored his scouts and took Harry because he knew Harry's college coach or is good friends with him.

Edited May 12, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[HappyDays]

38 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The thing about Harry is that in terms of measurables, he was regarded as being the best catch-radius guy by far and the sort of player that wins jump balls. But the league is moving away from jump ball guys. The Bills have little interest in them and instead focus on guys who can get separation. The last jump ball investment the Bills made was in Kelvin Benjamin, and look at how that turned out. 

 

I don't remember where I heard this, but I once read someone say "if a guy is known as a contested catch specialist in college, it begs the question why does he have so many contested catches against college DBs?" An NFL caliber receiver should be able to separate against college DBs. Contested catch ability is a plus in the NFL but it can't be your primary skill.

Edited May 12, 2021 by HappyDays

[dave mcbride]

43 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But also when have the Pats been a "jump ball" team at receiver? Like it didn't even make sense in terms of the guys they normally value. They like route runners not jump ball guys. Weird pick. I think there are some other schemes where there is still a place as in the league as a #2 for a guy like Harry but he isn't a #1 so shouldn't have been drafted in the 1st and certainly not by New England for that scheme. 

Well, Gronk was, and he was one of the best ever at it. But I get your point. Maybe BB and Ernie Adams thought they were exploiting a market inefficiency or something like that. Or maybe they were still scarred by David Tyree and those Jermaine Kearse catches in the Seattle Super Bowl. And maybe they remember Lee Evans failing to make the contested catch vs. Leigh Bodden in the 2011 AFC championship game. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

Well, Gronk was, and he was one of the best ever at it. But I get your point. Maybe BB and Ernie Adams thought they were exploiting a market inefficiency or something like that. Or maybe they were still scarred by David Tyree and those Jermaine Kearse catches in the Seattle Super Bowl. And maybe they remember Lee Evans failing to make the contested catch vs. Leigh Bodden in the 2011 AFC championship game. 

 

It wasn't just Kearse it was also that guy who was a one game wonder..... I wanna say he was name Chris something? Yea Gronk did have that contested catch ability - although he could separate for a man of his size when he needed to. But it wasn't classically what they had valued in receivers. Never made sense to me. 

[Mat68]

No.  They over paid for everyone.  I expect them to be 9-8 at best.  Agilor and Bourne are good 3rd Wrs.  

[dave mcbride]

33 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It wasn't just Kearse it was also that guy who was a one game wonder..... I wanna say he was name Chris something? Yea Gronk did have that contested catch ability - although he could separate for a man of his size when he needed to. But it wasn't classically what they had valued in receivers. Never made sense to me. 

Chris Matthews. 16 catches for 176 yards in his two-year career and 4 catches for 109 yards in that Super Bowl.

38 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It wasn't just Kearse it was also that guy who was a one game wonder..... I wanna say he was name Chris something? Yea Gronk did have that contested catch ability - although he could separate for a man of his size when he needed to. But it wasn't classically what they had valued in receivers. Never made sense to me. 

Here was the logic, at least. It didn't work out. https://www.clnsmedia.com/film-review-patriots-draft-proven-commodity-wide-receiver-nkeal-harry/

[Teddy KGB]

16 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

 

Based on what? Your opinion? You have zero credibility. Yes, I will be okay. I'm a Bills fan and I hope every player the Pats ever draft busts. But in life and not just football, I like to base my opinions on historical outcomes & common sense. 

 

Just because some late round project QBs the Pats took a flyer on in the past never became all-stars doesn't mean I'm going to automatically assume Mac Jones is going to be a bust. Maybe he does and maybe he doesn't, but your opinion is nothing more than a ****ing guess so stop acting like u know wtf's going to happen in the future like your smarter than their front office. 🤮

 

I'm done arguing w/ u and your trollish tactics. It's one thing to disagree w/ someone, but it's another to act like a know-it-all, pompous douche. I'm making a mental note to ignore future posts from u. ✌️

irony 😂😂

 

lmao @ you celebrating stuff from a decade ago, they stink now and BB can’t draft.  
 

its 2021.     No one cares about a 2001-2004 draft run 

Edited May 13, 2021 by Teddy KGB

[dave mcbride]

2 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

irony 😂😂

 

lmao @ you celebrating stuff from a decade ago, they stink now and BB can’t draft.  
 

its 2021.     No one cares about a 2001-2004 draft run 

They had fantastic drafts from around 2009-2015 too, as @GunnerBill has said repeatedly. Life isn’t binaries or either/or.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

They had fantastic drafts from around 2009-2015 too, as @GunnerBill has said repeatedly. Life isn’t binaries or either/or.

 

Yep. That drafting run is why they had their second run of titles. Of course Brady was always a major part but they had gone almost a decade without a title. It was drafting the likes of Hightower and McCourty and Gronk and Edelman that gave Brady enough pieces to get them back into the winners enclosure. They drafted really well for half a decade. The last half decade however has been atrociously bad. That is why suddenly Brady looked at the roster and thought "the defense is ageing, Gronk has gone, Edelman is nearly done and you are asking me to throw to Mohammed Sanu? I'm out of here."

[Ghost_002!]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yep. That drafting run is why they had their second run of titles. Of course Brady was always a major part but they had gone almost a decade without a title. It was drafting the likes of Hightower and McCourty and Gronk and Edelman that gave Brady enough pieces to get them back into the winners enclosure. They drafted really well for half a decade. The last half decade however has been atrociously bad. That is why suddenly Brady looked at the roster and thought "the defense is ageing, Gronk has gone, Edelman is nearly done and you are asking me to throw to Mohammed Sanu? I'm out of here."

 

Ha ha...

 

Brady actually asked for Sanu believe or not.....I still can't believe they gave up a 2nd for him.....oh my stomach 🤮

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

Ha ha...

 

Brady actually asked for Sanu believe or not.....I still can't believe they gave up a 2nd for him.....oh my stomach 🤮

Rutgers. All you need to know.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

12 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

irony 😂😂

 

lmao @ you celebrating stuff from a decade ago, they stink now and BB can’t draft.  
 

its 2021.     No one cares about a 2001-2004 draft run 

Are you still going? I was responding to @dave mcbride comment about that specific time frame. Obviously they had other good drafts. I would list the year and players, but u don't seem to learn. You win the award for the most annoying poster now leave me alone 

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Are you still going? I was responding to @dave mcbride comment about that specific time frame. Obviously they had other good drafts. I would list the year and players, but u don't seem to learn. You win the award for the most annoying poster now leave me alone 

more chronic less knuckles please, you don’t make any rules here.    

 

Belichek without Brady lmao 😂😂😂

Edited May 14, 2021 by Teddy KGB

[Rocky Landing]

On 5/11/2021 at 11:52 AM, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

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Really interesting conversation you guys are having...

[WideNine]

On 5/12/2021 at 1:13 PM, HappyDays said:

 

I don't remember where I heard this, but I once read someone say "if a guy is known as a contested catch specialist in college, it begs the question why does he have so many contested catches against college DBs?" An NFL caliber receiver should be able to separate against college DBs. Contested catch ability is a plus in the NFL but it can't be your primary skill.

 

 

Good point, as most colleges run some kind of read-option and/or spread offense most receivers are in a complimentary role where excelling at fighting for balls would be a red-flag that the receiver may have pedestrian speed, change-of-direction, and separation ability.

 

I guess if a receiver came out of a small program where he was their only threat and drew the lion's share of defensive attention, then you may take a longer look at more tape, but for most major colleges with talented depth not-so-much.