Fake-Fat Sunny Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 I'm not asking whether Henry has the character to be our #2 RB or not because it is quite clear that he is not the brightest bulb in the pack and that some folks are ceoncerned about him being an idiot (for me, I care little about the players' personalities as no athlete is a hero to me and as long as they playand aren't convicted felons I am quite happy to leave the personality stuff to People magazine). The question I ask is whether anyone sees any doable strategy for Henry other to suck it up an play as the #2 for WM if as it appears right now the Bills will be unable to trade him. I don't see that he has any reasonable choice but to honor his contract. If he throws a hissy-fit an sits out he will remain the Bills property and not become an FA and get the big contract he wants. If he simply comes in and accrues the time to get FA, but his half-assed about it to avoid injury, he will so reduce his value as an FA that he will not get the big contract he wants. Even worse, he will screw over his teammates and not watch WM's back which will further lower his ability to get a big contract. A walk-through year does his negotiating position even more harm as it will be his second unproductive year in a row. Theoretically yes, Henry could pull a Wickey Williams and head off to Katamandu. However, there is a huge difference between doing this with the 2 sizable contracts signed by Wickey and in the context of the Henry bankruptcy. The Bills are leaving Henry ample room to come back to the fold and I see no other options if he wants the big bucks (or unless TD caves and releases him) than for Henry to suck it up and play. The best scenario for Henry is looking like for him and the Bills to mouth the words of peace and for him to at least pretend to throw himself into being the best #2 RB he can be (verbal pretending is fine with me all i care about is how he does on the field). Henry sucked it u and shut up until the season was over and he will need to do that again so he can accomplish this goal. Even firther, if WM goes down with a nick (not impossible unforutnately) Henry would then have a big opportunity to really score a big contract by playing well. I'm not asking whether folks think Henry is an idiot. He is and who knows what impact idiocy will have on his actions. I am simply asking whether there is any workable option for him other than to play if he is after the big bucks. I don't think there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 I care little about the players' personalities as no athlete is a hero to me and as long as they playand aren't convicted felons I am quite happy to leave the personality stuff to People magazine319386[/snapback] He is a convicted felon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy Chief Navy Pride Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 Idon't believe there is either! TH wants a big long term deal to be a starting back. There is no way he gets that with 2 consecutive marginal years in a row. TH needs to play BALLS OUT football when the opportunity is presented this year or he will never be the #1 guy anywhere (barring injury). Me thinks even TH is smart enough to realize this and know that him holding out on the season will = him holding his hand out under a bridge or in a food line at a mission somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy Chief Navy Pride Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 He is a convicted felon. 319407[/snapback] Not when we drafted him I don't think. Didn't that come later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 He is a convicted felon. 319407[/snapback] No, you know that is a lie, you who are such a stickler for his arrest and his record. He is a convicted misdemeanorer. He is an innocent felon, if you wish to be nit-picky, for he was never convicted of a felony. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...bills_henry_ap/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 Yvel, I've argued along exactly these lines for months now, but the "dump Travis" contingent will not be persuaded by reason. It remains to be seen whether Travis will. I expect that, if TD can't get a decent offer for him before the season, TH will be the backup. And I for one will be glad to have the insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 Not when we drafted him I don't think. Didn't that come later? 319422[/snapback] It was during his rookie year. But read it in the context that FFS stated it. He said he doesn't hero worship, and doesn't care about the players personalities unless they aren't convicted felons. So my question is why does he care so much about Travis then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 It was during his rookie year. But read it in the context that FFS stated it. He said he doesn't hero worship, and doesn't care about the players personalities unless they aren't convicted felons. So my question is why does he care so much about Travis then? 319431[/snapback] Because he's not a convicted felon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 I'd cut him June 1st. He doesn't want to be here. I don't want a petulant infant on the team. I feel the Bill's management failed to wake up and get whatever they could for him - other teams correctly determined that he has become a snot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millbank Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 I don’t think in the end it really will be any big issue other than for gossip. Its clear Travis is under contract to Buffalo and if he wishes to be paid he must fulfill his contract. As far as players on the team, most understand the business side of football and will see Travis as doing what he needs to do and Bills management of doing the same, I don't see it as issue in room. He has two choices sit at home be unhappy for nothing damaging his reputation greatly or join the team and sit on sidelines for over a million dollars. In the end Travis will be crying all the way to the bank this season, rather than crying running from the bank. Poor guy it will be hell but I know he can do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake-Fat Sunny Posted April 26, 2005 Author Share Posted April 26, 2005 Yvel, I've argued along exactly these lines for months now, but the "dump Travis" contingent will not be persuaded by reason. It remains to be seen whether Travis will. I expect that, if TD can't get a decent offer for him before the season, TH will be the backup. And I for one will be glad to have the insurance. 319428[/snapback] It is odd as what you call the "dump Travis" contingent actually are advocating actions that would benefit Henry to no end (he desperately wants to be cut) and would involve TD caving completely and showing total weakness and operating against the Bills interests. Its fine with me to declare Henry totally unfit to be our starting RB. He isn't. Willis McGahee is. Is Henry a good enough RB to be my #2? I'd take having a former Pro Bowler as my back-up virtually any day. The biggest problem I have with the particulars of his game is that he stacked up 1300+ yards twice by pounding away with a yard a carry for 7 tries and got his big yards later in the game. I prefer my #2 RB to be more of a Kenny Davis who was a great change of pace to TT (though not nearly as good an RB as TT was because of TT's pass catching ability and blitz pick-up skill but that is not essential in a back-up anyway) but having more instant offense than Henry has shown. Still with the FA incentive to be productive and the knowledge that he need not pace himself, I am confident that Henry can fill the Kenny Davis role. In general, the "Dump Travis" crowd seems as motivated by star adoration and personality as they are by football (as a fan that his their right). I couldn't care less is Henry is too dumb to manage his money or is easily fooled by a teenage girl claiming to be of age as long as he plays some football. Folks complain about his pass catching and seem to ignore the fact in real-life that he caught over 40 balls in the season he was used that way. Folks complain about his blitz pick-up which suddenly became a big issue in 2004 after he solved his 2001 difficulties in this area in '02 and '03. Complaints about his funble issues also rear their head on occasion though this problem also was greatly improved statisitically by him. He ain't great, but our #2 RB does not have to be great and he has few (no) reasonable strategies for doing anything but sucking it up if it turns out he want him to be our #2 RB in 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake-Fat Sunny Posted April 26, 2005 Author Share Posted April 26, 2005 I'd cut him June 1st. He doesn't want to be here. I don't want a petulant infant on the team. I feel the Bill's management failed to wake up and get whatever they could for him - other teams correctly determined that he has become a snot. 319464[/snapback] You must be a friend of Henry's or his agent because this is exactly what he wants. I hope TD does not cave and instead does what is best for the Bills which is to simply require Henry to fulfill his contract. What precedent is set by rewarding a player for throwing a hissy-fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 You must be a friend of Henry's or his agent because this is exactly what he wants. I hope TD does not cave and instead does what is best for the Bills which is to simply require Henry to fulfill his contract. What precedent is set by rewarding a player for throwing a hissy-fit? 319483[/snapback] I understand you point FFS, but consider the business. Sports teams are not especially quantifiable - there is a large component of emotion involved, which is of course variable and nebulous. Attaining the "All for one, one for all" ethos has importance. After the legendary Carl Pickens, the Bengals vowed never again to let one disgruntled gentleman upset the applecart. They now have contract language that will get you cut if you become a gratuitous mouthpiece. Harsh? No, if 99% of us said what some football players said about their employers, we would be summarily discharged and escorted out the door. Some said that Dillon was a mouth - and he was. In the spectrum of jerkdom, he has his place, but he always played hard and never sniveled about other players - never. And never let the team down. Yes - value and all that. But consider the value that is lost by a house divided. We have all had work experiences with some small mind putting out little shots of poison here and there, and while we think it has no effect on us personally, those little negative seeds work their subtle work, and we end up being a bit more cynical than we suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 You must be a friend of Henry's or his agent because this is exactly what he wants. I hope TD does not cave and instead does what is best for the Bills which is to simply require Henry to fulfill his contract. What precedent is set by rewarding a player for throwing a hissy-fit? 319483[/snapback] Because there are only so many slots on a roster, and you have a cap on thoise positions in real dollars. If you have a guy taking part of your cap who isn't playing then a team really cannot afford that. Especially a running back who will not play special teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 I'd cut him June 1st. He doesn't want to be here. I don't want a petulant infant on the team. I feel the Bill's management failed to wake up and get whatever they could for him - other teams correctly determined that he has become a snot. 319464[/snapback] I would cut him just before the season opener. He would have to take a contract for the veteran minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 Travis Henry's best option would be a balanced portfolio that provides a solid return but reduces risk. I think he should go with broadly diversified stock fund for 70% of his savings, a bond fund for 20% and then keep 10% in a tax-managed money market fund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis in NC Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 Idon't believe there is either! TH wants a big long term deal to be a starting back. There is no way he gets that with 2 consecutive marginal years in a row. TH needs to play BALLS OUT football when the opportunity is presented this year or he will never be the #1 guy anywhere (barring injury). Me thinks even TH is smart enough to realize this and know that him holding out on the season will = him holding his hand out under a bridge or in a food line at a mission somewhere. 319421[/snapback] And he might try asking his coach: "Excuse me, coach, but in your estimation, are there any facets of my game in which I could show improvement, such that I may became a COMPLETE runnning back? I believe that such improvement would benefit me greatly, such that I may secure a financial future for myself and my loved ones." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake-Fat Sunny Posted April 26, 2005 Author Share Posted April 26, 2005 Travis Henry's best option would be a balanced portfolio that provides a solid return but reduces risk. I think he should go with broadly diversified stock fund for 70% of his savings, a bond fund for 20% and then keep 10% in a tax-managed money market fund. 319596[/snapback] Add a commitment to dollar-cost-averaging in mutual funds as an investment strategy and now your're talking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fla Bills Fan Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 I'd cut him June 1st. He doesn't want to be here. I don't want a petulant infant on the team. I feel the Bill's management failed to wake up and get whatever they could for him - other teams correctly determined that he has become a snot. 319464[/snapback] I am glad TD is our GM not you.You do not cut a player with a low cap # who can help the team just because he is unhappy. If he makes waves in the locker room JP will say, just shut the F up and play Big Cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan Trapped in Pats Land Posted April 26, 2005 Share Posted April 26, 2005 I am glad TD is our GM not you.You do not cut a player with a low cap # who can help the team just because he is unhappy. If he makes waves in the locker room JP will say, just shut the F up and play Big Cat. 319757[/snapback] I apparently don't see JP as the superhero you do, but your logic is on target. The team consists of 53 guys. 1 guy cannot become a cancer unless 52 others let him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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