Chef Jim Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, Governor said: Those jobs are low wage entry level and just for kids. Why would you think grown adults on unemployment would take those jobs? Aren’t you punishing the wrong people? The adults don’t take those jobs. They take, you know…….adult jobs.
Governor Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: The adults don’t take those jobs. They take, you know…….adult jobs. Right, so why would they cut unemployment benefits from adults when it’s the restaurant industry that’s in tears about being short on staff? Those are kids jobs. Hire some kids.
Chef Jim Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Governor said: Right, so why would they cut unemployment benefits from adults when it’s the restaurant industry that’s in tears about being short on staff? Those are kids jobs. Hire some kids. Kids jobs? Restaurants? You do know who you’re talking to right? The hospitality industry is one of many industries short on staff Edited July 1, 2021 by Chef Jim
Governor Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Kids jobs? Restaurants? You do know who you’re talking to right? The hospitality industry is one of many industries short on staff Right, those are unskilled, low wage jobs and we’ve been told for 20 years that adults shouldn’t be working these jobs. That’s been the entire argument for not raising the minimum wage. I guess it doesn’t matter since judges are stepping in and reversing those new laws and those unemployed people will get paid anyway, but something isn’t adding up here. Edited July 1, 2021 by Governor
Doc Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 37 minutes ago, Governor said: Those jobs are low wage entry level and just for kids. Why would you think grown adults on unemployment would take those jobs? Aren’t you punishing the wrong people? You lose again. Judge suspends early cutoff of unemployment aid in Indiana, saying it could cause "irreparable harm.” https://www.cbsnews.com/news/indiana-unemployment-judge-early-cutoff/#app That's why you need to get rid of unemployment...so they start taking those jobs instead of sitting on their asses getting free money for doing absolutely nothing, waiting for a high-paying job that's not coming. It's not rocket surgery.
Chef Jim Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 17 minutes ago, Governor said: Right, those are unskilled, low wage jobs and we’ve been told for 20 years that adults shouldn’t be working these jobs. That’s been the entire argument for not raising the minimum wage. I guess it doesn’t matter since judges are stepping in and reversing those new laws and those unemployed people will get paid anyway, but something isn’t adding up here. So you’re talking fast food. You do realize that is only a portion of the hospitality industry right?
Governor Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Doc said: That's why you need to get rid of unemployment...so they start taking those jobs instead of sitting on their asses getting free money for doing absolutely nothing, waiting for a high-paying job that's not coming. It's not rocket surgery. You’re not seeing the hypocrisy are you? But, as we already see, stripping those benefits isn’t accomplishing that goal because those business owners haven’t figured out yet that the slaves aren’t coming back for less than 15/hr.
Doc Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Governor said: You’re not seeing the hypocrisy are you? But, as we already see, stripping those benefits isn’t accomplishing that goal because those business owners haven’t figured out yet that the slaves aren’t coming back for less than 15/hr. Give it some more time. They will when the money they've gotten starts to dry up. Edited July 1, 2021 by Doc
Governor Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: So you’re talking fast food. You do realize that is only a portion of the hospitality industry right? The lobbying behind the push for republican governors to end unemployment early has been retail and the restaurant industry. Those are your lowest paying jobs. The argument for not raising the minimum wage is that these jobs are entry-level jobs that shouldn’t pay enough for adults to live, therefore should be filled by kids just entering the workforce. Kids aren’t on unemployment. Why would you cut unemployment benefits from adults if that’s not whose supposed to be taking these jobs in the first place? Someone on unemployment in Florida gets 400/week. Why would/should any adult take a job that pays less than that?
Chef Jim Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, Governor said: The lobbying behind the push for republican governors to end unemployment early has been retail and the restaurant industry. Those are your lowest paying jobs. The argument for not raising the minimum wage is that these jobs are entry-level jobs that shouldn’t pay enough for adults to live, therefore should be filled by kids just entering the workforce. Kids aren’t on unemployment. Why would you cut unemployment benefits from adults if that’s not whose supposed to be taking these jobs in the first place? Someone on unemployment in Florida gets 400/week. Why would/should any adult take a job that pays less than that? Where were these adults working before they lost their jobs?
Governor Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 Just now, Chef Jim said: Where were these adults working before they lost their jobs? You tell me.
Chef Jim Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 56 minutes ago, Governor said: You tell me. You’re the one that has been going on about adults beind out of work and having their unemployment taken away. Why not go back to the original lines of work?
Governor Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: You’re the one that has been going on about adults beind out of work and having their unemployment taken away. Why not go back to the original lines of work? People on unemployment are getting 400/week in most southern states. That’s 10/hr. The Republican talking point is that adults are sitting home and won’t go back to work because they’re getting 400/week in unemployment. These are also the jobs available now and pay range that’s “supposedly” causing the labor shortage, which caused those industries to lobby R governors to end unemployment benefits early. Are adults supposed to be taking jobs that only pay $10 or are those jobs entry-level jobs that shouldn’t pay adults enough to live and should be filled by kids? Edited July 1, 2021 by Governor
Thurman#1 Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) On 5/7/2021 at 10:40 PM, Big Blitz said: Biden creates an economic crisis--Unemployment, Inflation increasing Headline: Poster creates clueless headline on economics!! And make no mistake, it is clueless indeed. Things are never this simple in wildly complex systems, except if the point isn't to understand what's happening, but instead to create an attack headline utterly regardless of its connection to reality. Edited July 1, 2021 by Thurman#1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Governor said:It’s interesting what happens when power shifts slightly towards workers. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/29/more-people-plan-to-quit-as-return-to-work-plans-go-into-effect-.html?__source=sharebar|linkedin&par=shareba 9 hours ago, Governor said: It’s interesting what happens when power shifts slightly towards workers. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/29/more-people-plan-to-quit-as-return-to-work-plans-go-into-effect-.html?__source=sharebar|linkedin&par=sharebar I see no power shift here. The article mentions a guy who had a job, who decided he didn’t want the job, and is no longer doing it. We don’t know the outcome from the perspective of the company, but one would presume they found another employee to replace him. This is the way it’s been. The guy sees an opportunity to improve his quality of life, the person replacing him likely sees it the same way. The company replaces an employee likely more motivated to do the work they need done. No villains, no victims. Edited July 1, 2021 by leh-nerd skin-erd
Governor Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 2 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I see no power shift here. The article mentions a guy who had a job, who decided he didn’t want the job, and is no longer doing it. We don’t know the outcome from the perspective of the company, but one would presume they found another employee to replace him. This is the way it’s been. The guy sees an opportunity to improve his quality of life, the person replacing him likely sees it the same way. The company replaces an employee likely more motivated to do the work they need done. No villains, no victims. The unemployment story has been the most interesting issue throughout the pandemic. I don’t know how it all ends, but I know that things aren’t returning to how they were pre-pandemic, so small business owners should probably take notice.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 17 minutes ago, Governor said: The unemployment story has been the most interesting issue throughout the pandemic. I don’t know how it all ends, but I know that things aren’t returning to how they were pre-pandemic, so small business owners should probably take notice. Take notice that people are typically employed on an at-will basis? I’ve been a small business owner for 22 years. I can’t speak for all but I think a lot of us know people terminate employment for any one of dozens of reasons. It’s definitely a thing. I’ll try and spread the word.
Big Blitz Posted July 1, 2021 Author Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Headline: Poster creates clueless headline on economics!! And make no mistake, it is clueless indeed. Things are never this simple in wildly complex systems, except if the point isn't to understand what's happening, but instead to create an attack headline utterly regardless of its connection to reality. Edited July 1, 2021 by Big Blitz
Governor Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Take notice that people are typically employed on an at-will basis? I’ve been a small business owner for 22 years. I can’t speak for all but I think a lot of us know people terminate employment for any one of dozens of reasons. It’s definitely a thing. I’ll try and spread the word. Take notice that people aren’t coming back to work for less than 15 an hour, and if they do, it’s very temporary and they’ll not care about the job and leave rather quickly, which is what we’re seeing.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted July 1, 2021 Posted July 1, 2021 23 minutes ago, Governor said: Take notice that people aren’t coming back to work for less than 15 an hour, and if they do, it’s very temporary and they’ll not care about the job and leave rather quickly, which is what we’re seeing. Well, I'd think for most of us, rate of pay falls into one of the 'any one of dozens of reasons'. On top of that, if the work force views the employer/employee relationship as temporary or disposable for any one of dozens of reasons, it likely won't come as a surprise to the employer. If the employer views it similarly, it's likely not a surprise to the employed. There are no new ideas, just different cycles in the life of a business. All you can do as a small business owner is treat people with respect. But, as noted, I'll spread the word and we'll fight the, uh, man, whomever he may be. 1
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