B-Man Posted June 25, 2021 Posted June 25, 2021 https://www.rollcall.com/2021/06/23/as-democrats-go-hard-left-hispanics-head-to-the-center/ ABOUT THAT PERMANENT DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY… As Democrats go hard left, Hispanics head to the center. In a recent New York Magazine interview, Democratic pollster David Shor weighed in on his party’s performance in the 2020 election. Based on the interview, it appears that Democrats continue to interpret 2022 in the context of demographics, race and class and less about voters’ belief systems and positions on issues. Give him credit: Shor does recognize that white liberal elites are pushing the party to the left and alienating certain voter groups, including Hispanics. “We’ve ended up in a situation where white liberals are more left wing than Black and Hispanic Democrats on pretty much every issue: taxes, health care, policing, and even on racial issues or various measures of ‘racial resentment,’” he told the magazine. “So as white liberals increasingly define the party’s image and messaging, that’s going to turn off nonwhite conservative Democrats and push them against us.” They’re not leaving the Democratic party — the Democratic party is leaving them.
unbillievable Posted June 25, 2021 Posted June 25, 2021 17 minutes ago, B-Man said: https://www.rollcall.com/2021/06/23/as-democrats-go-hard-left-hispanics-head-to-the-center/ ABOUT THAT PERMANENT DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY… As Democrats go hard left, Hispanics head to the center. In a recent New York Magazine interview, Democratic pollster David Shor weighed in on his party’s performance in the 2020 election. Based on the interview, it appears that Democrats continue to interpret 2022 in the context of demographics, race and class and less about voters’ belief systems and positions on issues. Give him credit: Shor does recognize that white liberal elites are pushing the party to the left and alienating certain voter groups, including Hispanics. “We’ve ended up in a situation where white liberals are more left wing than Black and Hispanic Democrats on pretty much every issue: taxes, health care, policing, and even on racial issues or various measures of ‘racial resentment,’” he told the magazine. “So as white liberals increasingly define the party’s image and messaging, that’s going to turn off nonwhite conservative Democrats and push them against us.” They’re not leaving the Democratic party — the Democratic party is leaving them. That's why Democrats are pushing for more election fraud. 1
TH3 Posted June 25, 2021 Posted June 25, 2021 On 5/4/2021 at 12:03 PM, Big Blitz said: Why Rising Diversity Might Not Help Democrats as Much as They Hope Voters of color make up an increasing percentage of the United States electorate, but that trend isn’t hurting Republicans as much as conservatives fear. The Census Bureau released two important sets of data last week that have big implications for American politics — and that challenge some prevailing assumptions for both Democrats and Republicans. The first set of data lays out long-term demographic trends widely thought to favor Democrats: Hispanics, Asian-Americans and multiracial voters grew as a share of the electorate over the last two presidential races, and white voters — who historically tend to back the G.O.P. — fell to 71 percent in 2020 from 73 percent in 2016. The other data set tells a second story. Population growth continues to accelerate in the South and the West, so much so that some Republican-leaning states in those regions are gaining more Electoral College votes. The states won by President Biden will be worth 303 electoral votes, down from 306 electoral votes in 2020. The Democratic disadvantage in the Electoral College just got worse again. Why Rising Diversity Might Not Help Democrats as Much as They Hope https://nyti.ms/3nLtemD Did the article mention the GOP has won one popular POTUS vote out of the last 8? Maybe its ideas people want?..
Big Blitz Posted June 25, 2021 Author Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) 37 minutes ago, TH3 said: Did the article mention the GOP has won one popular POTUS vote out of the last 8? Maybe its ideas people want?.. How many Ds hit 50% in the last 50 years? Since 1968 when the Ds sped up the march to full on socialism. Three. And Biden's was rigged. Rs? Five. Edited June 25, 2021 by Big Blitz 1
B-Man Posted June 26, 2021 Posted June 26, 2021 NY Times reports that progressive Democrat assumptions could be backfiring with ‘large numbers of Black and Latino voters’ https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/06/26/ny-times-reports-that-progressive-dem-assumptions-could-be-backfiring-with-large-numbers-of-black-and-latino-voters/ Ya don’t say! 1 1
John Adams Posted June 26, 2021 Posted June 26, 2021 42 minutes ago, B-Man said: NY Times reports that progressive Democrat assumptions could be backfiring with ‘large numbers of Black and Latino voters’ https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2021/06/26/ny-times-reports-that-progressive-dem-assumptions-could-be-backfiring-with-large-numbers-of-black-and-latino-voters/ Ya don’t say! Triple paste! CTRL-V *3!!!
B-Man Posted July 6, 2021 Posted July 6, 2021 Flop Sweat Builds as Democrats Realize Latinos Can Think for Themselves If you’ve noticed a bit of consternation among Democrats lately in regards to losing Latino voters, you aren’t alone. They’ve been broadcasting their worries for a while now, mostly in the form of doubling down on social justice issues that don’t actually move the very demographic they are seeking to preserve an advantage with. But the real gut-punch happened last week after Pew Research Center released its “gold standard” data that seeks to accurately denote how different subgroups voted in the 2020 election. While the breakdowns include men/women, married/unmarried, college/no college, etc. it was the fact that Donald Trump took 38% of the Latino vote that has flop sweat building in Democrat circles. Now, they are flailing in response. Note the way this person, a former Hillary Clinton aide, tries to spin what’s happening. Instead of recognizing that people are individuals and that different subsets of Latinos might have different priorities, she tries to claim that Latinos are going through an “identity crisis.” This assumes that they are a monolith when they clearly aren’t. Latinos split heavily for and against things based on their country of origin, for example. There’s also the fact that they generally care more about the meat and potato issues vs. obsessing over social justice battles regarding the border. Your average voting Latino just isn’t animated by promising amnesty as much as Democrats like to think they are. Yet, instead of changing course and recognizing that it is their own, radical politics that are driving Democrats away, those on the left seem to be going back to the same old divide and conquer playbook in hopes of turning things around. Note that the headling in the NBC News piece that I got the Pew data from leads with the fact that non-college-educated Latinos broke more for Trump than those with a college degree. That’s a not-so-subtle way of trying to paint those that chose to vote Republican as unintelligent. https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/07/06/flop-sweat-builds-as-democrats-realize-latinos-can-think-for-themselves-n407232
JaCrispy Posted July 6, 2021 Posted July 6, 2021 (edited) That’s because the “goal of increasing diversity” is a facade so that people will go along, and willingly give up their individual liberties... I give them credit- the Left is very smart, strategically...but once you understand their tactics and goals, they can be read like a book...Unfortunately, not much of the American public has the intellectual curiosity to fully grasp what’s going on...nor do they know history... Edited July 6, 2021 by JaCrispy 1 1
The Frankish Reich Posted July 6, 2021 Posted July 6, 2021 Coalitions are never stable in American politics. The best analysis I've seen is from Sean Trende: https://newrepublic.com/article/106507/lost-majority-future-government-sean-trende "once majorities are formed, they immediately start falling apart. He attributes this to a couple of things that seem uncontroversial, if not banal: “roads not taken”—the many choices parties have to make as they reach various forks in the political road—and “contingency”—the tendency of events like wars, recessions, and domestic unrest to impact parties’ success or failure. Together, these factors make majorities of any kind, even so-called realigning ones, highly unstable. Trende concludes his analysis by looking forward, considering factors that might consolidate a Democratic majority in the future—for example, the rise of the Hispanic population. He has multiple objections to the argument that Hispanics will underpin a lasting new Democratic majority coalition, starting with the slow rate at which this population is affecting the voter pool and the possibility that its growth rate might decelerate over time. But his chief point is the contingent nature of this group’s support. As with other immigrant groups, he argues, it is likely that support for the currently favored party will decay over time. What looks good from “straight-line projections,” he cautions, is likely to fall apart ..." Nothing unexpected here, at least not by the the people who are something other than cheerleaders for one side or the other ... 1
B-Man Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 NEW YORK POST COLUMN: Democrats are losing the multiracial working class on basic lifestyle issues. And note that the Democrats’ gentry class dominance has led to increased education polarization even as there’s less racial polarization. Which is why the Democrats keep trying to ramp up the racial polarization. https://nypost.com/2021/07/08/dems-are-losing-the-multiracial-working-class-on-basic-lifestyle-issues/
B-Man Posted August 4, 2021 Posted August 4, 2021 Democrats Panic as Latinos and Asian Voters Leave The Party. While the Delta variant of COVID is making headlines, Joe Biden is attempting to shore up support from minority voters, a normally solid Democratic voting bloc, in advance of the upcoming midterm elections. Biden and White House aides are meeting with key figures in the Latino, and Asian American and Pacific Islander (AAPI) communities, reports the Washington Examiner. These are two demographics that Biden and Democrats have been warned they can’t take for granted in 2022, says former Democratic consultant Christopher Hahn. “I believe they did in 2020, and it almost cost him the election,” Hahn told the Washington Examiner. Hahn is the host of the podcast Aggressive Progressive. Donald Trump made huge gains with Latinos and Asians in 2020. And that swing, if it continues, threatens the Democrats’ electoral prospects. Moreover, Biden’s efforts to change the trend have been plagued with missteps. For example, Biden’s poor response to the pro-democracy protests in Cuba last month is likely to hurt the Democrats with the increasingly Republican-leaning Cuban-American community. https://pjmedia.com/uncategorized/matt-margolis/2021/08/03/democrats-panic-as-latinos-and-asian-voters-leave-the-party-n1466731
B-Man Posted September 15, 2021 Posted September 15, 2021 Democrats Continue to Lose Ground in Texas as Hispanic Voters Turn Their Back on the Left by Brandon Morse The blue wave that the left said was going to hit Texas continues to recede further and further back as numbers continue to show Democrats losing ground in the Lone Star State. According to Texas Monthly, Starr County is turning red by leaps and bounds with Republicans showing up in droves and increasing their presence by the triple digits while Zapata County is seeing red for the first time in decades: In Starr County, just upriver from McAllen, Republicans increased their turnout by almost 300 percent between 2016 and 2020. While Hillary Clinton won there by sixty points, Joe Biden barely scraped https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2021/09/14/democrats-continue-to-lose-ground-in-texas-as-hispanic-voters-turn-their-back-on-the-left-n442942
B-Man Posted December 9, 2021 Posted December 9, 2021 HOW’S THAT “PERMANENT DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY” COMING ALONG? Hispanic Voters Are Now Evenly Split Between Parties. https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2021/12/08/hispanic-voters-are-now-evenly-split-between-parties-n1539942
B-Man Posted December 9, 2021 Posted December 9, 2021 "It is hard to avoid the conclusion that Democrats have seriously erred by lumping Hispanics in with 'people of color' and assuming they embraced the activism around racial issues..." "... that dominated so much of the political scene in 2020, particularly in the summer.... Crime as an issue rated higher with these voters than immigration or racial equality, two issues that Democrats assumed would clear the path to big gains among Hispanic voters.... The findings about relatively positive Hispanic attitudes toward police have been confirmed by poll after poll, as concern about crime in their communities has spiked. An important thing to remember about the Hispanic population is that they are heavily oriented toward upward mobility and see themselves as being able to benefit from available opportunities to attain that. Three-fifths of Latinos in the national exit poll said they believed life would be better for the next generation of Americans. They are also patriotic. By well over 3:1, Hispanics in the VSG survey said they would rather be a citizen of the United States than any other country in the world and by 35 points said they were proud of the way American democracy works.... Clearly, this constituency does not harbor particularly radical views on the nature of American society and its supposed intrinsic racism and white supremacy. They are instead a patriotic, upwardly mobile, working class group with quite practical and down to earth concerns." From "The Democrats’ Hispanic Voter Problem It's Not As Bad As You Think—It’s Worse" https://theliberalpatriot.substack.com/p/the-democrats-hispanic-voter-problem-dfc
B-Man Posted December 23, 2021 Posted December 23, 2021 Democrats Learn Again Demographics Are Still Not Destiny Derek Hunter In November of last year I wrote about the phenomenon Democrats have been pushing for decades – that the “less white” this country becomes, the better it is for them; that at a certain point, and soon, the Republican Party would be relegated to the fringe of society. “Demographics are destiny,” they insist. It’s a nice, neat theory that just so happens to dovetail perfectly with the racial politics the left have been playing the whole time. But a funny thing happened on the way to permanent power… For Democrats, this argument, and the hope that it was true, hinged on one thing: the Hispanic vote. For half a century, Democrat have gotten almost 90 percent of the black vote. It’s become a joke in political circles, that Republicans don’t even bother to try and neither do Democrats. And by that I mean Republicans don’t try to make a dent in the black vote while Democrats don’t bother to try to fulfill any of the promises they’ve made to black voters because where are they going to go? Democrats own the black vote, and everyone knows it. No matter how horrible Democrat leadership in majority black cities across the country, there is zero concern from those failed elected officials that their indifference or neglect will lead to an electoral loss. Hell, crack smokers and people overseeing a killing field get reelected if they’re Democrats, why would anything short of those be of a concern? They aren’t. The model was what Democrats planned for the Hispanic vote – convince Hispanics the alternative is somehow worse, sit back and roll to victory. So how did Joe Biden end up being less popular than a painful inner ear infection with Hispanic voters? The answer is pretty easy, but I’m going to make you wait a little bit for it. First, where did I come up with the idea that Democrats are in trouble with the Hispanic vote? The latest NPR/PBS, Marist poll, not exactly a bastion of centrism, let alone conservatism, contains numbers that are scaring the delusions of Hispanic vote dominance out of even the most overpaid progressive consultant. More at the link: https://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2021/12/23/democrats-learn-again-demographics-are-still-not-destiny-n2600967 1
Tiberius Posted December 23, 2021 Posted December 23, 2021 On 12/8/2021 at 10:03 PM, B-Man said: HOW’S THAT “PERMANENT DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY” COMING ALONG? Hispanic Voters Are Now Evenly Split Between Parties. https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2021/12/08/hispanic-voters-are-now-evenly-split-between-parties-n1539942 Really? Say, how many voters did they survey and how many were Latino? What was the margin of error? Hint, you won’t find those numbers in the PJ media puff piece, but the WSJ listed them. Look at them, they are pretty funny
Tiberius Posted December 30, 2021 Posted December 30, 2021 On 5/4/2021 at 2:38 PM, B-Man said: "One reason demographic change has failed to transform electoral politics is that the increased diversity of the electorate has come not mainly from Black voters but from Hispanic, Asian-American and multiracial voters." "Those groups back Democrats, but not always by overwhelmingly large margins.... The new census data’s finding that the percentage of non-Hispanic white voters in the country’s electorate dropped by about two percentage points from 2016 to 2020 might seem like a lot. But with Hispanic, Asian-American and multiracial voters representing the entirety of the increase, while the Black share of the electorate was flat, the growing nonwhite share of the electorate cost Mr. Trump only about half a percentage point over a four-year period. Another factor is the electoral map. The American electoral system rewards flipping states from red to blue, but many Democratic gains among nonwhite voters have been concentrated in the major cities of big and often noncompetitive states. By contrast, many traditional swing states across the northern tier, like Wisconsin or Pennsylvania, have had relatively little demographic change.... White voters still represent more than 80 percent of the electorate in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, according to the new census data. The nonwhite population in these states is predominantly Black; their share of the population has been fairly steady over the last few decades. But Mr. Biden won these states so narrowly that the relatively modest demographic shifts of the last few decades were necessary for him to prevail in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. It’s just hard to call it a Great Replacement if Mr. Trump could have won in 2020 if only he had done as well among white voters as he did in 2016." From "Why Rising Diversity Might Not Help Democrats as Much as They Hope/Voters of color make up an increasing percentage of the United States electorate, but that trend isn’t hurting Republicans as much as conservatives fear" by Nate Cohn (NYT). https://althouse.blogspot.com/2021/05/one-reason-demographic-change-has.html Then why are Texas and other states gerrymandering the state to disenfranchise people of color?
SoCal Deek Posted December 30, 2021 Posted December 30, 2021 5 hours ago, Tiberius said: Then why are Texas and other states gerrymandering the state to disenfranchise people of color? Oh stop! Enough of your racist woe is me victimhood crap. That card’s been played to exhaustion. NOBODY is buying it anymore. 1
Tiberius Posted December 31, 2021 Posted December 31, 2021 17 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Oh stop! Enough of your racist woe is me victimhood crap. That card’s been played to exhaustion. NOBODY is buying it anymore. You just don’t understand what the issues are here. Why chime in if you can’t even get what the argument is? 1
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