Big Turk Posted May 4, 2021 Author Posted May 4, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, gonzo1105 said: Undervalued position, small frame, not fast enough, plus as you get to the latter stages of the draft teams are looking for guys who can contribute on Special Teams. Patterson doesn’t really have that on film and his size would prob scare teams away from that idea. I thought maybe someone would take a shot in 6-7 but they didn’t. He’ll get his chance to prove himself as a UDFA. If he’s got the goods he’ll land somewhere as a 3rd down back. How do people keep saying "not fast enough"? He ran a 4.51. I can definitively tell you that is higher than the majority of RBs. And I am saying this based on empirical evidence not some random idea in my mind. I logged every players combine data from 1999 to 2016. Almost 7200 players. The numbers haven't changed much positionally over the years. There were 444 RBs that had 40 times. The average RB ran a 4.57. Patterson is not "slow". He has above average speed for an RB. If you want to refute this data then base it on some other factual information not some random nonsense you make up in your own mind. Edited May 4, 2021 by Big Turk
Irv Posted May 4, 2021 Posted May 4, 2021 15 hours ago, Limeaid said: Thanks for contributing to a facts free discussion. Your obsession with me while flattering, is unecessary.
PromoTheRobot Posted May 4, 2021 Posted May 4, 2021 You know I'm a big UB booster, so I've seen every game Patterson played. The big knocks on him are his size, the fact he rarely got involved in the passing game and his middling speed. Also it's hard to separate how much of his success was thanks to his blocking, which was excellent. That said he has excellent balance and can make people miss him in a phone booth. He also has a bit of the "Josh Allen disrespect" thing driving him. No D1 schools other then Buffalo offered him a scholarship. (Like another kid named Khalil Mack.) I think going to the WFT is a great move. Not only is it his home town team, their RB room is not impressive. He's got a chance to stick there. 1
Big Turk Posted May 4, 2021 Author Posted May 4, 2021 49 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: You know I'm a big UB booster, so I've seen every game Patterson played. The big knocks on him are his size, the fact he rarely got involved in the passing game and his middling speed. Also it's hard to separate how much of his success was thanks to his blocking, which was excellent. That said he has excellent balance and can make people miss him in a phone booth. He also has a bit of the "Josh Allen disrespect" thing driving him. No D1 schools other then Buffalo offered him a scholarship. (Like another kid named Khalil Mack.) I think going to the WFT is a great move. Not only is it his home town team, their RB room is not impressive. He's got a chance to stick there. Again with middling speed. He ran a 4.51. The average RB over 17 years worth of Combine data ran a 4.57. He is faster than average and faster than both Moss and Motor.
gonzo1105 Posted May 4, 2021 Posted May 4, 2021 42 minutes ago, Big Turk said: How do people keep saying "not fast enough"? He ran a 4.51. I can definitively tell you that is higher than the majority of RBs. And I am saying this based on empirical evidence not some random idea in my mind. I logged every players combine data from 1999 to 2016. Almost 7200 players. The numbers haven't changed much positionally over the years. There were 444 RBs that had 40 times. The average RB ran a 4.57. Patterson is not "slow". He has above average speed for an RB. If you want to refute this data then base it on some other factual information not some random nonsense you make up in your own mind. Okay so tell me how many of the 5’6 RBs that ran 4.51 got drafted. It’s a little different if a guy is 5’11 215 and ran 4.55 versus a guy 5’6 195 who ran 4.51 Travis Etienne 5’10 215 4.33 40 Najee Harris 6’1 232 No 40 time projected 4.52 Javonte Williams 5’10 220 4.55 Michael Carter 5’8 201 4.50 Trey Sermon 6’0 215 4.57 Rhamondre Stevenson 5’11 230 4.63 Kenny Gainwell 5’8 201 4.41 Jermar Jefferson 5’10 206 4.56 Larry Rountree 5’10 211 4.62 Khalil Herbert 5’9 210 4.46 Chubby Hubbard 6’0 210 4.48 Kylin Hill 5’11 214 4.55 Chris Evans 5’11 211 4.44 Kene Nwangwu 6 ‘ 210 4.32 Jake Funk 5’10 206 4.47 Eli Mitchell 5’10 201 4.43 Gary Brightwell 6’1 218 4.62 Gerrid Doaks 5’11 228 4.57 These are all the RBs who got drafted this year, Patterson would have been the shortest by 2 inches, weighed the least by 11 pounds compared to the 2nd smallest. He didn’t play STs or catch the ball much on film. Yes he’s faster then some of the guys on the list but most of those guys are significantly bigger than he is. Yes he’s a great college player and he’ll get his chance but the data on height weigh speed clearly would show you why he didn’t get drafted. Btw those are all pro day results not university height weight speed data 1
Albany,n.y. Posted May 4, 2021 Posted May 4, 2021 I remember 2 years ago when another UB player, Tyree Jackson, went undrafted. There were UB homers who were asking why Josh Allen was the 7th pick in the prior draft yet Tyree, who they envisioned as similar to Josh went undrafted. Well, the Bills signed him as an UFA, cut him & he didn't even end up on the practice squad. Then he went to the XFL and originally was behind Cardale Jones. After the XFL folded he didn't play in the NFL this past season. Recently Jackson resurfaced as a TE & signed with the Eagles this offseason. Let's hope the Bills didn't blow it & he turns into another Logan Thomas. 2
BigPappy Posted May 4, 2021 Posted May 4, 2021 20 hours ago, billsfan89 said: Could be a medical issue that the public is not privy to, could also be something on the tape that jumped out to many pro-scouts as being a big red flag. We don't really know what drives teams evaluations. He caught on with the WFT so he will get his chance in the pros. Or.... it could be that the 32 NFL teams front offices are better at evaluating talent than, say.... pretty much every member of this message board and every team message board that exists. 🤷♂️ just saying.
Big Turk Posted May 4, 2021 Author Posted May 4, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BigPappy said: Or.... it could be that the 32 NFL teams front offices are better at evaluating talent than, say.... pretty much every member of this message board and every team message board that exists. 🤷♂️ just saying. Are they though? Because from where I am sitting they have a pretty bad hit rate overall for as much time and effort and knowledge advantages they have over all the posters... No offense but if someone does something everyday for a living on a professional basis and has a huge financial backing and lots of other people involved to check and double check their work, I would expect something better than maybe a 10-15% improvement over what an average poster does who just watches a bunch of games and/or highlights in their spare time. Sometimes I think they suffer from paralysis by analysis where they have too many points of information. Edited May 4, 2021 by Big Turk 1
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted May 4, 2021 Posted May 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: Again with middling speed. He ran a 4.51. The average RB over 17 years worth of Combine data ran a 4.57. He is faster than average and faster than both Moss and Motor. Because we dont need a 40 time on his best day to know he isn't the fastest. We've watched him play football live for years.
DCOrange Posted May 4, 2021 Posted May 4, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Big Turk said: How do people keep saying "not fast enough"? He ran a 4.51. I can definitively tell you that is higher than the majority of RBs. And I am saying this based on empirical evidence not some random idea in my mind. I logged every players combine data from 1999 to 2016. Almost 7200 players. The numbers haven't changed much positionally over the years. There were 444 RBs that had 40 times. The average RB ran a 4.57. Patterson is not "slow". He has above average speed for an RB. If you want to refute this data then base it on some other factual information not some random nonsense you make up in your own mind. FWIW, Patterson's listed 40 time on most sites is a 4.59 from the Pro Day, including places like PlayerProfiler.com that adjusted that to a 4.64 because of the fact that it was hand-timed and those are, on average, 0.05 seconds faster than their real times. Obviously a pretty big difference between a 4.51 and a 4.64. Based on the times that are in The Athletic's draft guide, Patterson was a 4.58. The average RB this year was a 4.54 and the average drafted RB was a 4.51. Edited May 4, 2021 by DCOrange 1
frostbitmic Posted May 4, 2021 Posted May 4, 2021 Anybody who rushes for 409 yards and 8 TD's in one game and 301 4 TD's in another, deserves a shot in the NFL. In 6 games last year he ran for 1072 yards and 19 TD's.
DCOrange Posted May 4, 2021 Posted May 4, 2021 Still waiting for potential 1st round pick Anthony Johnson to get his first NFL snap too lol 1
PromoTheRobot Posted May 4, 2021 Posted May 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Big Turk said: Again with middling speed. He ran a 4.51. The average RB over 17 years worth of Combine data ran a 4.57. He is faster than average and faster than both Moss and Motor. I'm not saying he was a sloth but he rarely outran defenders in the open field. Patterson's best quality is his elusiveness. Being short his center of gravity was so low he could make cuts that broke ankles. I'm rooting for him in DC. 1 hour ago, DCOrange said: Still waiting for potential 1st round pick Anthony Johnson to get his first NFL snap too lol Yeah, that was me. I was certain he was destined for the NFL. I think he's still on the Steelers PS. 1
DCOrange Posted May 4, 2021 Posted May 4, 2021 22 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I'm not saying he was a sloth but he rarely outran defenders in the open field. Patterson's best quality is his elusiveness. Being short his center of gravity was so low he could make cuts that broke ankles. I'm rooting for him in DC. Yeah, that was me. I was certain he was destined for the NFL. I think he's still on the Steelers PS. Yeah I looked it up out of curiosity when I saw this thread. He got a futures/reserve contract.
Mr. WEO Posted May 4, 2021 Posted May 4, 2021 2 hours ago, frostbitmic said: Anybody who rushes for 409 yards and 8 TD's in one game and 301 4 TD's in another, deserves a shot in the NFL. In 6 games last year he ran for 1072 yards and 19 TD's. Maybe when Washington plays Kent State or Bowling Green! His total for the rest of the season was 362 yards, 7 TDs. 1
IgotBILLStopay Posted May 5, 2021 Posted May 5, 2021 18 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Maybe when Washington plays Kent State or Bowling Green! His total for the rest of the season was 362 yards, 7 TDs. Even in those games he then averaged 90 yds 2 Tds no? If he does well, the Bills will sure look stupid since this was their backyard talent (like the Dolphins would if Jaelan Phillips sucks). That being said, for the late rounders and UDFAs especially, we need to trust the Bills' evaluations. Beane has done decently so far. As a fan who watched some Patterson tape, he sure looked draftable - but maybe he was not an improvement over Antonio Williams - so had no chance of making the Bills roster. While the Bills do not have a home run hitter in the RB room yet (surprise me Motor and Moss), they do have depth with Breida and Williams - so as far as RB in the draft is concerned maybe the thought is - give me a clear upgrade or dont gimme anything - a philosophy that is logical. 1
dollars 2 donuts Posted May 5, 2021 Posted May 5, 2021 On 5/3/2021 at 4:52 PM, BuffBillsForLife said: Too small without being lightning fast and he got injured at the end of the year. @PromoTheRobot Jut to be clear with that, in my opinion, it wasn't an "ah shucks,that is too bad" injury. It was a, "let's remove this guy so we can win the MAC" injury.
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