1. Chiefs 2. Browns 3. Bills

[Inigo Montoya]

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

49 negative emojis, Congratulations! You’re the new leader in Most Ridiculous Thread category!

 

The leader in the Most Ridiculous Thread category?    I will wear it as a Badge of Honor!

 

You do realize my "ridiculous" opinion is that I think the Browns have edged the Bills, and the Browns are now #2 in the AFC and the Bills are #3.  That the Browns have added enough to their defensive roster this off season to mitigate the talent difference between Allen and Mayfield.  

 

Sure, I did state why I felt that way in a measured manner and didn't just throw that opinion out there without any explanation, but still, to say that the Cleveland Browns could have gotten better than the Bills on TBD....?   The gall!  The nerve!  The audacity!  The horror!   What the hell did I eat for breakfast yesterday???

 

People can launch all the vomiting emojis they want.   I stand by my OP.  

 

🙂

 

 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Inigo Montoya

[Jauronimo]

6 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

The leader in the Most Ridiculous Thread category?    I will wear it as a Badge of Honor!

 

You do realize my "ridiculous" opinion is that I think the Browns have edged the Bills, and the Browns are now #2 in the AFC and the Bills are #3.  That the Browns have added enough to their roster this off season to mitigate the talent difference between Allen and Mayfield. 

 

Sure, I did state why I felt that way in a measured manner and didn't just throw that opinion out there without any explanation, but still, to say that the Cleveland Browns could have gotten better than the Bills on TBD....?   The gall!  The nerve!  The audacity!  The horror!   What the hell did I eat for breakfast yesterday???

 

People can launch all the vomiting emojis they want.   I stand by my OP.  

 

🙂

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As a long-time Bills fan like yourself, I am sure you know that winning free agency and putting together a talented roster is only part of the equation.  That is how the Bills spent 4 years "in the hunt" for a wild card berth.  

 

Your point is plausible but much like with the Bills prior to last year many of us fall in the we will believe it when we see it camp.

[Gordio]

With everyday looking like they are going to let full capacity at the stadiums i think home field advantage is going to be huge this year.  Hopefully the road thru the super bowl for the AFC this year runs thru Orchard Park.  With the rosters comparable on a talent level, I will take us over the Browns.  I just think Allen is so much better than Baker.

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

As a long-time Bills fan like yourself, I am sure you know that winning free agency and putting together a talented roster is only part of the equation.  That is how the Bills spent 4 years "in the hunt" for a wild card berth.  

 

Your point is plausible but much like with the Bills prior to last year many of us fall in the we will believe it when we see it camp.

Put it this way: on Bovada right now I can get Bills +600 to win AFC and Browns +750. For reference the Broncos are +900. Which roughly says the oddsmakers put the idea that the Browns will be better than the Bills as just as likely as the Broncos being better than the Browns.

[Inigo Montoya]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Put it this way: on Bovada right now I can get Bills +600 to win AFC and Browns +750. For reference the Broncos are +900. Which roughly says the oddsmakers put the idea that the Browns will be better than the Bills as just as likely as the Broncos being better than the Browns.

 

 

There's a regular poster on TBD who won $4K two years ago betting the over when Vegas said the Over/Under for Bills' wins that year was 6.  The Bills won 10.

 

🍻

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Put it this way: on Bovada right now I can get Bills +600 to win AFC and Browns +750. For reference the Broncos are +900. Which roughly says the oddsmakers put the idea that the Browns will be better than the Bills as just as likely as the Broncos being better than the Browns.

On my station casino app in LV, the bills are +1000.  When last season ended and they released their odd, I bet the Bills @ +900 on the same app. According to Vegas, the odds of us winning has gone down since the offseason started 

 

the browns are currently +1200

the Broncos are +2200

 

 

Edited May 3, 2021 by NewEra

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

On my station casino app in LV, the bills are +1000.  When last season ended and they released their odd, I bet the Bills @ +900 on the same app.

 

the browns are currently +1200

the Broncos are +2200

 

 

Then you should know the Bills are historically undervalued and the Browns the opposite

 

I like them to miss the playoffs more than overtake the Bills this season

2 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

 

There's a regular poster on TBD who won $4K two years ago betting the over when Vegas said the Over/Under for Bills' wins that year was 6.  The Bills won 10.

 

🍻

ibid

[NewEra]

30 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Then you should know the Bills are historically undervalued and the Browns the opposite

 

I like them to miss the playoffs more than overtake the Bills this season

ibid

The browns are overvalued historically?  BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Straight Hucklebuck]

The Browns had a great offseason. 

 

Secondary was their clear weakness last season. Now, they will Delpit back from injury, Greedy Williams back from injury, Newsome comes in, and Denzel Ward at Cornerback. 

 

They kept Harrison as well, and Johnson and Hill. 

 

Linebacker was the other soft spot, and they signed Anthony Walker and drafted JOK.

 

They are young and deep at almost every position.  

 

 

[corta765]

I think there is some merit and this is more well thought out compared to some takes.

 

BUT... I really feel these takes come from a place based off the Browns barely losing to the Chiefs vs. the Bills losing a less competitive game. The Browns absolutely have made strides which is nice to see as we came from a similar place. They also have yet to win a playoff game, division crown, and their QB doesn't rate as highly as others in the AFC.

 

I believe the Browns are the class of the AFC North this year, but I also want to see how they handle the pressure of being that team and going the distance. The Bills mindset is literally at this point SB or bust. They could go 11-5-1 and Cleveland 13-4 and I do not think they would bat an eye considering their main goal is the SB. Cleveland in my opinion is not there, they are where the Bills were last season.

 

Also the Bills remind me a bit of the Colts in the mid 2000s where the Patriots were the immovable force they had to vanquish if they wanted their ring. It gets to a point where tunnel vision kicks in and everything else doesn't matter. KC is at that point and I think the Bills learned it last year. Cleveland seems step away, but another contender if they learn it.

[Jauronimo]

28 minutes ago, corta765 said:

I think there is some merit and this is more well thought out compared to some takes.

 

BUT... I really feel these takes come from a place based off the Browns barely losing to the Chiefs vs. the Bills losing a less competitive game. The Browns absolutely have made strides which is nice to see as we came from a similar place. They also have yet to win a playoff game, division crown, and their QB doesn't rate as highly as others in the AFC.

 

I believe the Browns are the class of the AFC North this year, but I also want to see how they handle the pressure of being that team and going the distance. The Bills mindset is literally at this point SB or bust. They could go 11-5-1 and Cleveland 13-4 and I do not think they would bat an eye considering their main goal is the SB. Cleveland in my opinion is not there, they are where the Bills were last season.

 

Also the Bills remind me a bit of the Colts in the mid 2000s where the Patriots were the immovable force they had to vanquish if they wanted their ring. It gets to a point where tunnel vision kicks in and everything else doesn't matter. KC is at that point and I think the Bills learned it last year. Cleveland seems step away, but another contender if they learn it.

The Browns won a playoff this past season after the Steelers went out and spotted them a 21 point lead.  

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

The browns are overvalued historically?  BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

If you bet the NFL you’d know this

 

Vegas prints $$ off people like OP

[Inigo Montoya]

10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

If you bet the NFL you’d know this

 

Vegas prints $$ off people like OP

 

I don't gamble.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

I don't gamble.

Smart man😂😂

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

If you bet the NFL you’d know this

 

Vegas prints $$ off people like OP

I’ve been betting pretty consistently since I moved to Vegas 20 years ago.  Thanks.

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 5/2/2021 at 2:46 PM, Inigo Montoya said:

 

 

We barely beat the Colts and the Ravens in the playoffs last year, but we still beat them.  The Browns are more talented top to bottom than the Bengals are (Let's see how Burrow comes back after this injury).  I'm a big Burrow fan and think he can be the real deal and way better than Mayfield but worry he is going to get Darnold-ed by Cincy.  Passing on Sewell to draft a WR is a typical Jets/Cincy kind of move when the Bengals O-line is atrocious.  How putting a solid O-line in front of Burrow wasn't priority #1 , #2, #3 this off season for Cincy is beyond me...

 

 

Barely beat the Ravens? We held them to 3 points. I firmly believe that even without the timely pick 6 in the red zone Josh could've put up another 10 points if they had to. When Lamar went down the Bills went into prevent and a ball-control offense. Don't get it twisted, the score wasn't that far apart, but by all means Buffalo dominated from start to finish.

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I’ve been betting pretty consistently since I moved to Vegas 20 years ago.  Thanks.

 

THen you'd know the Bills are 21-13-2 ats last 2 years while the Browns are 13-20-1 hence overvalued

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

THen you'd know the Bills are 21-13-2 ats last 2 years while the Browns are 13-20-1 hence overvalued

No, I didn’t look at the browns number for the last two years.....

 

I was reacting to you calling the Browns  “historically overvalued”.  Historically = 34 games?  Oh......riiiiiight

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

No, I didn’t look at the browns number for the last two years.....

 

I was reacting to you calling the Browns  “historically overvalued”.  Historically = 34 games?  Oh......riiiiiight

hey its your money

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

hey its your money

 

Am I betting something on the browns?  Or am I just having a discussion about how a team, other than our Bills, have had a great offseason and put themselves in the conversation for being a legit super bowl contender.

 

I believe they have done exactly that.  They joined us in the conversation.  I don’t believe they are a better team, but I believe they have a more talented roster top to bottom.....but Josh>>> Baker.  But having Josh doesn’t preclude the Browns from beating us.