McShay- Bills trying to move up above 23 for Etienne

[BigAl2526]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

Beane is a lot smarter than moving UP to craft a RB in the first round! 

 

At least I sure as hell hope he is! 

 

 

If he could actually craft a QB, he's smarter than any of us, regardless of the round.  Drafting a running back is another story.

[Doc Brown]

Could force a team like the Fins to take him in the 1st thinking he won’t be there in the 2nd.  Increases chance of guy falling to us.

[The Jokeman]

2 minutes ago, 947 said:

McShay is a complete buffoon. It boggles my mind that someone pays him to do draft analysis.

 

That said, trading up from 30 to 23 would cost st least a 3rd rounder. I see no way Beane would ever consider that, I bet he laughed his butt off when he read McShay's take.

The same McShay that mocked us a LB a few days ago. I agree Todd isn't the smartest draft analyst out there

 

Edited April 26, 2021 by The Jokeman

[NewEra]

37 minutes ago, Logic said:

Dude scored 78 touchdowns in college. 78!

I'm not on Team "round 1 RB" at all, but if ETN winds up a Bill, I'm not gonna whine and cry over their having added a player with that kind of scoring productivity to this offense. 

That’s where I’m at.  He could be the missing piece that takes this offense to another level.  If he happens to be just that and turns into an Alvin Kamara type player but faster....I’ll be really happy about it when we win the SB

[In Summary]

Little draft capital to begin with and offering more valuable 2022 picks (should that be the path) seems a poor trade.  This rumor only has legs due to Beane's inability to not trade up and a belief that the RB, not the O-line, is the key to an improved running game.  I get the whole speed/receiver running back thing, but there are likely metrics on O-line performance and yards after first contact for RB's that need to be factored in. 

 

Historically speaking, Thurman would have better yards after contact than Emmett Smith, but didn't win the rushing titles like Emmett.  Emmett had the better (Dallas) O-line.  Barry Sanders was likely the best RB of the era yet he had Detroit's line so was the RB really the key to a better running game?  Of course Thurman led the league 4 years in a row in total yards so he was that multi threat, but who thinks that the Bills or any modern offense will structure their offense around a RB when they have a star QB and prefer downfield passing? 

 

I see the "draft a RB in the 1st round" narrative as one being driven by lazy/sensational sports writers and the general dislike of fans wanting to draft non-glamorous positions for the IOL and DT positions.  Arguably, the Bills are comfortable with an average running game and will perhaps reason that a solid young IOL will help the running game in addition to keeping Josh upright.  I'm not suggesting that the Bills will draft IOL at 23 or 30, only that they would have to give up picks that are better spent on Morse and Star replacements.

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, dorquemada said:

I trust Beane on this.  My gut says they need a dynamic playmaker more than anything, and because of the rest of the offseason moves have the room for a bit of a luxury pick.  I like Moss & Singletary but neither of them are game breakers, and neither one is keeping DCs up at night.  Etienne & Harris are. 

I’m not disputing that Etienne (or Harris) are good players, but neither seems that good to me that they should trade up for them.

 

I appreciate that a really dynamic RB could meet DL in the backfield faster than Singletary or Moss, but I’m not sure that either Etienne or Harris are the missing piece to unlock another 3 points/game on offense.  To be clear, I agree that both are a bit better prospect - especially in receiving game - than the Bills’ current crew, but I don’t think either are true game changers.

 

Now, at 30 if no DE or CB on their board is worth the pick, then by all means stack the RBs up against WRs, OL, LBs and any other positions.

[Tom obrien]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3EkBuKQEkio&list=PLmBtQqvxus1h7rVTWo9NBIJnY_O-YRKnB&index=822

[Turk71]

2 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Etienne would be a strange pick, because it means Beane admitting he failed on two running back selections. I understand the need for a dynamic playmaker, but they could have went for speed, instead they went with Moss and Singletary. 

You can keep replacing rbs or you could build a line that can actually move people.

  A beast of a guard could do more for the running game than a better running back imo.

[Governor]

Just now, Turk71 said:

You can keep replacing rbs or you could build a line that can actually move people.

  A beast of a guard could do more for the running game than a better running back imo.

You could do both too.

[BADOLBILZ]

9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Harris is a stud. Breida is one of the fastest RBs in the league and he’s here already, so that’s not “the” key element in the Rb equation.

 

 

Etienne is a much better fit in outside zone though, IMO.   And.......ya' know.......c'mon.......what are they going to switch backs out for every down based on what they all do well?    

 

Both RB's would be a terrible idea......but remember.........Beane is Gettleman's first born........can't rule it out til you can rule it out.

[YoloinOhio]

Todds, Ranked:

1. Todd the neighbor from Christmas Vacation

2. Willis (Todd Bridges)

3. Todd packer from The Office

4. Todd Chrisley (Chrisley knows Best)

5. Todd the son from Wedding Crashers 

6. 

 

[Milanos Milano]

1 hour ago, teef said:

i have not had my daily piston whipping yet.

That happens a lot when you go to Detroit. 

[Green Lightning]

1 hour ago, FFadpecr said:

 

How does a top CB or top DE help Josh Allen?

 

The #1 goal of Brandon Beane is to help his Franchise QB.

By keeping the other team from scoring every time they have the ball so Josh doesn’t have to score every time we have the ball. 

[John from Riverside]

I would not be for this but Beane has totally earned the benefit of the doubt

[DrDawkinstein]

9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Todds, Ranked:

1. Todd the neighbor from Christmas Vacation

2. Willis (Todd Bridges)

3. Todd packer from The Office

4. Todd Chrisley (Chrisley knows Best)

5. Todd the son from Wedding Crashers 

6. 

 

 

Ouch. And accurate.

[SCBills]

In terms of picks, if we draft a RB, I highly doubt Singletary is here for very long.  
 

We can probably get back a 4th in ‘22 or a 5th in ‘21 for him. 

[DrDawkinstein]

I just went back and watched some Etienne highlights again. And dang it, if he doesnt look like exactly the type of player Beane would get excited over. I dont know now.... Beane's smokescreens are working!

 

For reference, lots of catches for big chunks of yards. Tell me these receptions wouldnt fit right in here...

(bonus, no obnoxious soundtrack)

 

 

[Builder Bill]

Moss and Singletary are vanilla backs that cannot get to the edge. I'd be fine with this pick

[OldTimer1960]

9 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

I just went back and watched some Etienne highlights again. And dang it, if he doesnt look like exactly the type of player Beane would get excited over. I dont know now.... Beane's smokescreens are working!

 

For reference, lots of catches for big chunks of yards. Tell me these receptions wouldnt fit right in here...

(bonus, no obnoxious soundtrack)

 

 

Watching highlights is not “scouting”.  Everyone’s highlights should look great, else they aren’t really highlights.

 

Here are highlights from a major draft disappointment.

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/aaron-maybin-highlights-469524

 

Edited April 26, 2021 by OldTimer1960

[BigBuff423]

I’ll also say this: Beane clearly indicated the run game was an issue, and then he signed back three starters on the Offensive Line. IMHO, that signals that Beane’s opinion is that it wasn’t entirely the Offensive Line that failed to create opportunities for the run game. So maybe, the RBs are more of an issue than we - as fans - thought they were.