L Ron Burgundy Posted October 14, 2023 Posted October 14, 2023 2 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: I do not understand at all how so many of you are on you knees for Tucker the way you are. He says what they want to hear. That's all. There's literally nothing special about him. Real? You're friend lied. He is the least real because he doesn't believe what he says. He has to me the 2nd most punchable face in the world next to Matt Gaetz. 1 1
BillsFanNC Posted October 14, 2023 Posted October 14, 2023 6 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: I'm very behind the 8-ball here, I'm admittedly streaky with politics, I get interested for periods of time and then I get sick of it and don't look at anything for weeks. A buddy of mine who likes Tucker told me to watch some of his stuff because he says he's "real"...so I watched his Trump interview from a couple of months ago when they competed against the first GOP debate ...and WTF are you guys talking about??? That was literally the same exact thing as if Biden was being interviewed by CNN or MSNBC. It was one softball after another. At one point Tucker even said "you've always been nice to Mike Pence and he keeps talking bad about you, what's up with that"...what??? I don't like Pence at all, the guy is an Evangelical extremist authoritarian nutjob...but was he serious with that question??? If you wanted to make a montage for what state-run TV looks like, you could put that side by side with any MSM puff piece or what North Korea puts out about its politicians. It's literally the SAME THING from just the other side. I still hold the position that nobody out there in political news or reporting or podcasting that is actually giving us an objective, unbiased, independent perspective from which they have not chosen a side with one of the two parties. I do not understand at all how so many of you are on you knees for Tucker the way you are. 95% of of the establishment media despises Tucker. Tucker isn't news. He's a current events opinion show guy. I really never watched Tucker on Fox, but I've started watching him more on X. Why? Because the establishment despises him and the establishment is as corrupt as the day is long. 2
B-Man Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 34 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: 95% of of the establishment media despises Tucker. Tucker isn't news. He's a current events opinion show guy. I really never watched Tucker on Fox, but I've started watching him more on X. Why? Because the establishment despises him and the establishment is as corrupt as the day is long. True. and he is interviewing people that the others won't. 2
Warcodered Posted October 15, 2023 Posted October 15, 2023 42 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: 95% of of the establishment media despises Tucker. Tucker isn't news. He's a current events opinion show guy. I really never watched Tucker on Fox, but I've started watching him more on X. Why? Because the establishment despises him and the establishment is as corrupt as the day is long. Oh please, before getting fired for contributing to getting to his company sued for knowingly lying about what he was saying, and just emailing and talking about behind the scenes about he knows it's bull####, he worked for one of the largest media corporations in the world. Before that he's bounced around other similarly large media corporations for multiple year stints. 1
HomeskillitMoorman Posted October 16, 2023 Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) On 10/14/2023 at 6:38 PM, BillsFanNC said: 95% of of the establishment media despises Tucker. Tucker isn't news. He's a current events opinion show guy. I really never watched Tucker on Fox, but I've started watching him more on X. Why? Because the establishment despises him and the establishment is as corrupt as the day is long. This is where you are so completely full of it. What's part of what makes the establishment corrupt? The fact that they have the media wrapped around their finger. They get creampuff interviews from them and get them to throw out misinformation. What part of Tucker's interview with Trump was any different than that whatsoever? It was literally straight up propaganda. It was the SAME EXACT thing you would see from an interview from MSM with Biden. I'm listening if you can tell me how it was different. What it comes down to is you are fine with propaganda and corruption if it lands on YOUR side of the aisle. So you aren't actually against any of that, you just don't want to see it happen from the other side. You are a much bigger part of the problem than any kind of solution. The second you pick a side and a bias like that and turn off any kind of logic, rationale, and reasoning...this is what ends up happening. You back someone who is literally doing the same thing that you preach against. There is nobody out there who is doing this without bias and attacking both sides the way they should and it's because people like yourself are so addicted to politics being tribal that you are willing to sell out on many of what you say are your core beliefs to be part of your tribe. You're certainly not alone, but it's disappointing every time when someone says they are against the establishment and corruption and then you find out they're only against the other side's version of it but perfectly fine with their own. Edited October 16, 2023 by HomeskillitMoorman 2 1
Tommy Callahan Posted October 16, 2023 Posted October 16, 2023 On 10/14/2023 at 7:38 PM, BillsFanNC said: 95% of of the establishment media despises Tucker. And ironically, at least 95% of dems as well
BillsFanNC Posted October 16, 2023 Posted October 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: This is where you are so completely full of it. What's part of what makes the establishment corrupt? The fact that they have the media wrapped around their finger. They get creampuff interviews from them and get them to throw out misinformation. What part of Tucker's interview with Trump was any different than that whatsoever? It was literally straight up propaganda. It was the SAME EXACT thing you would see from an interview from MSM with Biden. I'm listening if you can tell me how it was different. What it comes down to is you are fine with propaganda and corruption if it lands on YOUR side of the aisle. So you aren't actually against any of that, you just don't want to see it happen from the other side. You are a much bigger part of the problem than any kind of solution. The second you pick a side and a bias like that and turn off any kind of logic, rationale, and reasoning...this is what ends up happening. You back someone who is literally doing the same thing that you preach against. There is nobody out there who is doing this without bias and attacking both sides the way they should and it's because people like yourself are so addicted to politics being tribal that you are willing to sell out on many of what you say are your core beliefs to be part of your tribe. You're certainly not alone, but it's disappointing every time when someone says they are against the establishment and corruption and then you find out they're only against the other side's version of it but perfectly fine with their own. What part of the establishment media is corrupt? Are you friggin kidding me? Again talk show hosts like Tucker,Maddow, the view etc aren't news. How about we start with a media that reported for years that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the 2016 election. The media at large repeats this utter garbage TO THIS DAY. Garbage "journalists" were awarded pulitzers for this trash fairy tale reporting. When it was revealed that the FBI spied on Trump's campaign they parsed and hand waved to their useful idiot minions, explaining that spying isn't really spying at all. Now we have that same media with the there's no evidence that Biden was involved in foreign influence peddling mantra.....in the face of mountains of evidence. So forgive me if an opinion show host who tells us exactly where he's coming from and where his biases lie gives a cream puff interview to a guy running for President who can't breathe without being branded a nazi with 95% of the media..... just doesnt move the needle for me. I give less than a ***** about that on either side. Wake us up when supposedly straight news outlets actually start playing it even close to straight. 2
HomeskillitMoorman Posted October 16, 2023 Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said: What part of the establishment media is corrupt? Are you friggin kidding me? Again talk show hosts like Tucker,Maddow, the view etc aren't news. How about we start with a media that reported for years that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the 2016 election. The media at large repeats this utter garbage TO THIS DAY. Garbage "journalists" were awarded pulitzers for this trash fairy tale reporting. When it was revealed that the FBI spied on Trump's campaign they parsed and hand waved to their useful idiot minions, explaining that spying isn't really spying at all. Now we have that same media with the there's no evidence that Biden was involved in foreign influence peddling mantra.....in the face of mountains of evidence. So forgive me if an opinion show host who tells us exactly where he's coming from and where his biases lie gives a cream puff interview to a guy running for President who can't breathe without being branded a nazi with 95% of the media..... just doesnt move the needle for me. I give less than a ***** about that on either side. Wake us up when supposedly straight news outlets actually start playing it even close to straight. This is such a terrible deflection argument because you don't want to admit what Tucker actually is. The "news" IS a collection of opinion show hosts, you're basically agreeing with that with what you're saying. You can say that that's wrong, and I would agree, but that is what it is and it was when Tucker was at Fox too. There's really no difference anymore between whatever you would call "news" and Tucker, Maddow, The View, etc. I'm coming at everyone whether it's journalists, talk show hosts, whoever that are in that political sphere and I don't care what side they fall on. You do, you think it's fine as long as it's coming from your "team". For example, yes, it was corrupt of the liberal establishment media and for talks how hosts to peddle what they did with Trump and Russia...just like it was corrupt of the conservative establishment media and talk shows to peddle what they did with the 2020 election lies. Let's sum up what you're really saying here...you are fine with someone like Tucker doing EXACTLY what you're preaching against because he represents a side that supposedly has less overall representation in the media. That does not make it right. Propaganda is still propaganda, that does not change. And he isn't telling you exactly where he's coming from because that interview is everything he claims not to be and 100% what he rips on MSM for. How many times has he taken shots at CNN or MSNBC for their softball Biden or Dem politician interviews whether it's a "journalist" or Don Lemon or even The View? And rightfully so. If it's meaningless that those people have a slant, why would he himself take shots at them for it? To anyone actually being objective, he loses all credibility when he does THE SAME EXACT THING! You just don't happen to fall under being objective or even trying the slightest amount to be because you've already decided that you are a fan of his. I don't think I will ever understand the appeal of selling out on what you believe in to fit in with your tribe. THAT is what you're doing. You say things that on surface level can come off intriguing about being anti-corruption and anti-establishment...but you are the target demographic for anyone promoting fake populism by using the same tactics as the establishment they've made a career off of criticizing those said same tactics. EDIT: I just saw you must have read the first line of my post that you replied to wrong, I obviously wasn't asking "what part of establishment media is corrupt?" I think that was part of why I was also confused at why you were trying to act like I was defending them. Edited October 16, 2023 by HomeskillitMoorman 1 1
BillsFanNC Posted October 17, 2023 Posted October 17, 2023 8 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: This is such a terrible deflection argument because you don't want to admit what Tucker actually is. The "news" IS a collection of opinion show hosts, you're basically agreeing with that with what you're saying. You can say that that's wrong, and I would agree, but that is what it is and it was when Tucker was at Fox too. There's really no difference anymore between whatever you would call "news" and Tucker, Maddow, The View, etc. I'm coming at everyone whether it's journalists, talk show hosts, whoever that are in that political sphere and I don't care what side they fall on. You do, you think it's fine as long as it's coming from your "team". For example, yes, it was corrupt of the liberal establishment media and for talks how hosts to peddle what they did with Trump and Russia...just like it was corrupt of the conservative establishment media and talk shows to peddle what they did with the 2020 election lies. Let's sum up what you're really saying here...you are fine with someone like Tucker doing EXACTLY what you're preaching against because he represents a side that supposedly has less overall representation in the media. That does not make it right. Propaganda is still propaganda, that does not change. And he isn't telling you exactly where he's coming from because that interview is everything he claims not to be and 100% what he rips on MSM for. How many times has he taken shots at CNN or MSNBC for their softball Biden or Dem politician interviews whether it's a "journalist" or Don Lemon or even The View? And rightfully so. If it's meaningless that those people have a slant, why would he himself take shots at them for it? To anyone actually being objective, he loses all credibility when he does THE SAME EXACT THING! You just don't happen to fall under being objective or even trying the slightest amount to be because you've already decided that you are a fan of his. I don't think I will ever understand the appeal of selling out on what you believe in to fit in with your tribe. THAT is what you're doing. You say things that on surface level can come off intriguing about being anti-corruption and anti-establishment...but you are the target demographic for anyone promoting fake populism by using the same tactics as the establishment they've made a career off of criticizing those said same tactics. EDIT: I just saw you must have read the first line of my post that you replied to wrong, I obviously wasn't asking "what part of establishment media is corrupt?" I think that was part of why I was also confused at why you were trying to act like I was defending them. I don't have a team. You do. See how that works? Just like the op ed pages at legacy print newspapers, nobody on either side should expect a reporting of "the facts" from cable news opinion hosts. You do apparently. I'm not sure why. Beyond that I'm acknowledging that Tucker is indeed a guy who has a side and promotes it clearly. Including in interviews with the great orange menace. Earth shattering news! Why you want to compare it to when the left does the exact same thing as if it exists in anything remotely close to proportionality is completely laughable. So Trump got a softball interview with Tucker. So? What about when he goes on CNN townhall? Was that a softball environment for Trump? Has Biden had anything other than tightly controlled softball interviews? At least with Trump you can compare the Tucker softball interview with the rabid go for his throat ones. It's always the same from the left. But Fox! But Tucker! Meanwhile you've got your own leftist opinion hosts AND legacy "straight news" media outlets with the 24/7 propaganda. Give it a rest. 2
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HomeskillitMoorman Posted October 17, 2023 Posted October 17, 2023 15 hours ago, BillsFanNC said: I don't have a team. You do. See how that works? Just like the op ed pages at legacy print newspapers, nobody on either side should expect a reporting of "the facts" from cable news opinion hosts. You do apparently. I'm not sure why. Beyond that I'm acknowledging that Tucker is indeed a guy who has a side and promotes it clearly. Including in interviews with the great orange menace. Earth shattering news! Why you want to compare it to when the left does the exact same thing as if it exists in anything remotely close to proportionality is completely laughable. So Trump got a softball interview with Tucker. So? What about when he goes on CNN townhall? Was that a softball environment for Trump? Has Biden had anything other than tightly controlled softball interviews? At least with Trump you can compare the Tucker softball interview with the rabid go for his throat ones. It's always the same from the left. But Fox! But Tucker! Meanwhile you've got your own leftist opinion hosts AND legacy "straight news" media outlets with the 24/7 propaganda. Give it a rest. Except I don't have a team. I just called out everyone, including Biden, the media on the Left, the politicians on the Left, literally everyone you mentioned. I would love to see where I defended anyone that you're talking about. I didn't vote for Biden, I don't create threads or posts in threads about what propagandists like Tucker or anyone from CNN or MSNBC and congratulate them as if they're providing some kind of counter-programming. It's all equally garbage. You think it's somehow less of an offense because you think the team Tucker does it for is smaller. So all of your talk about the establishment, corruption, etc - it's not about actual principles...you simply just don't like which side has the bigger team. I'm not even saying that, YOU are. You're excusing Tucker for the same thing you keep complaining about. I think it's straight trash from both sides. But this is what people like you do here, it's all deflection. I didn't even mention anything about Trump not sitting down with anyone else. This is like the opposite of Trump Derangement Syndrome where even if I take a shot at Tucker for laying down for Trump, you attempt to maneuver that into some kind of unfair hatred of Trump. And your only recourse at that point is to try to box me into the Left which I have said about a billion times here that I'm not a part of. I've voted Indy the last 2 elections and this will be #3. I also say I don't trust any establishment but I'm not the one who says that and then goes to bat for one of the establishments. Maybe go take a little looksie in the mirror. If you claim to be against something, try actually being against it instead of just a total partisan hack which you are right now. Try thinking for yourself and formulating your own thoughts instead of having this need for a tribe in which you sell out your own beliefs for. It's quite liberating.
BillsFanNC Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) On 10/14/2023 at 12:41 PM, HomeskillitMoorman said: I'm very behind the 8-ball here, I'm admittedly streaky with politics, I get interested for periods of time and then I get sick of it and don't look at anything for weeks. A buddy of mine who likes Tucker told me to watch some of his stuff because he says he's "real"...so I watched his Trump interview from a couple of months ago when they competed against the first GOP debate ...and WTF are you guys talking about??? That was literally the same exact thing as if Biden was being interviewed by CNN or MSNBC. It was one softball after another. At one point Tucker even said "you've always been nice to Mike Pence and he keeps talking bad about you, what's up with that"...what??? I don't like Pence at all, the guy is an Evangelical extremist authoritarian nutjob...but was he serious with that question??? If you wanted to make a montage for what state-run TV looks like, you could put that side by side with any MSM puff piece or what North Korea puts out about its politicians. It's literally the SAME THING from just the other side. I still hold the position that nobody out there in political news or reporting or podcasting that is actually giving us an objective, unbiased, independent perspective from which they have not chosen a side with one of the two parties. I do not understand at all how so many of you are on you knees for Tucker the way you are. I'm going back to your original post since you've deflected off of your original premise. You weighed in on Tucker because your friend asked you to watch him because he thinks that he's 'real' and presumably unbiased. So you watched the Trump interview, came to your conclusion, and then you extended your friends claim of Tucker's objectivity onto the rest of us. Meanwhile I explained that the appeal of Tucker, who I never really watched on Fox, is because he's a major counter weight to the leftist activist staight news AND opinion talking heads. Nobody here claimed he was objective or unbiased like your friend implied. So to be clear once again I don't think that Tucker or anyone else in the news opinion space is playing it straight with just the 'facts'. You want to get close to the truth via news opinion and podcasters? Watch Tucker, then watch Maddow. The truth usually lies in the nebulous middle. However, there are still legacy news sources who claim to be straight, objective news outlets. Think evening news, NYT, WaPo etc.. Do you think those outlets are objective and just report the facts? If not, which side do they overwhelmingly tend to cheer in their non-objectivity? Remember....Democracy Dies In Darkness... Edit to add: Do you think it was important when Tucker smashed the conventional media narrative about the Qanon shaman when he released the j6 video showing him being escorted around the Capitol and ultimately into the Senate chamber by multiple police officers? Edited October 18, 2023 by BillsFanNC 2
HomeskillitMoorman Posted October 19, 2023 Posted October 19, 2023 On 10/18/2023 at 8:30 AM, BillsFanNC said: I'm going back to your original post since you've deflected off of your original premise. You weighed in on Tucker because your friend asked you to watch him because he thinks that he's 'real' and presumably unbiased. So you watched the Trump interview, came to your conclusion, and then you extended your friends claim of Tucker's objectivity onto the rest of us. Meanwhile I explained that the appeal of Tucker, who I never really watched on Fox, is because he's a major counter weight to the leftist activist staight news AND opinion talking heads. Nobody here claimed he was objective or unbiased like your friend implied. So to be clear once again I don't think that Tucker or anyone else in the news opinion space is playing it straight with just the 'facts'. You want to get close to the truth via news opinion and podcasters? Watch Tucker, then watch Maddow. The truth usually lies in the nebulous middle. However, there are still legacy news sources who claim to be straight, objective news outlets. Think evening news, NYT, WaPo etc.. Do you think those outlets are objective and just report the facts? If not, which side do they overwhelmingly tend to cheer in their non-objectivity? Remember....Democracy Dies In Darkness... Edit to add: Do you think it was important when Tucker smashed the conventional media narrative about the Qanon shaman when he released the j6 video showing him being escorted around the Capitol and ultimately into the Senate chamber by multiple police officers? That's legit if you want to say I unfairly assumed you thought Tucker was the truth or objective or even relatively unbiased, I'm glad you can say he isn't. But I don't think that's a reprieve, I think that makes what you guys are doing here even WORSE. You're saying you know he's the equivalent of the Left's propaganda machine, just from the other side. I just don't see how that makes him any better than Maddow or NYT, WaPo, etc which you may not be saying he is...but then why try to prop him up? "Admitting" that he have a bias I guess gives him virtue points of some sort to you guys, but it raises the same question of why not actually be different?? Tucker is only "counter-programming" in the most literal sense - which is that he's on the other side of the propaganda spectrum. Real counter-programming, which is what we sorely need, would be objective and unbiased and not caring about pissing off a side that you've already chosen. We do not have anyone like that right now and it's because people keep supporting what we do have right now. How silly would it be if I just posted NYT or WaPo articles here to "counter" what you guys are posting with Tucker? I just don't understand it. I don't read any of that crap because I know what it is. You are admitting that Tucker is just like them but you read/watch and post it here anyway. It's such a strange concept to me, that level of selling out for a "side" that doesn't actually exist. You saying that it's because that team is supposedly smaller, which I don't even really think is all that true anymore given the rise of independent media which politically is mostly Conservative and the decline of people tuning into MSM, you are in your own words admitting that you're throwing out your own supposed principles simply because it's the smaller team even though they're doing the same exact thing. Again, there's this need that people like you have which is the majority, that you have to choose a side. But you don't. That's the biggest political lie that's been fed and indoctrinated into you. You do not have to sell out what you believe in to join a political tribe. 1
BillsFanNC Posted October 21, 2023 Posted October 21, 2023 On 10/19/2023 at 12:40 PM, HomeskillitMoorman said: That's legit if you want to say I unfairly assumed you thought Tucker was the truth or objective or even relatively unbiased, I'm glad you can say he isn't. But I don't think that's a reprieve, I think that makes what you guys are doing here even WORSE. You're saying you know he's the equivalent of the Left's propaganda machine, just from the other side. I just don't see how that makes him any better than Maddow or NYT, WaPo, etc which you may not be saying he is...but then why try to prop him up? "Admitting" that he have a bias I guess gives him virtue points of some sort to you guys, but it raises the same question of why not actually be different?? Tucker is only "counter-programming" in the most literal sense - which is that he's on the other side of the propaganda spectrum. Real counter-programming, which is what we sorely need, would be objective and unbiased and not caring about pissing off a side that you've already chosen. We do not have anyone like that right now and it's because people keep supporting what we do have right now. How silly would it be if I just posted NYT or WaPo articles here to "counter" what you guys are posting with Tucker? I just don't understand it. I don't read any of that crap because I know what it is. You are admitting that Tucker is just like them but you read/watch and post it here anyway. It's such a strange concept to me, that level of selling out for a "side" that doesn't actually exist. You saying that it's because that team is supposedly smaller, which I don't even really think is all that true anymore given the rise of independent media which politically is mostly Conservative and the decline of people tuning into MSM, you are in your own words admitting that you're throwing out your own supposed principles simply because it's the smaller team even though they're doing the same exact thing. Again, there's this need that people like you have which is the majority, that you have to choose a side. But you don't. That's the biggest political lie that's been fed and indoctrinated into you. You do not have to sell out what you believe in to join a political tribe. Outside of just making up your own narratives out of thin air, which some here like to do, what other option does anyone have to attempt to understand current events? "News" reporting is wholly broken. Completely. The best anyone can do is consume what's out there and try to filter through the BS. I don't know what to tell you if you think left vs. right coverage is anything close to proportional. If you randomly turn on TV News you're getting overwhelming left slanted coverage, if not outright cheerleading. Same with newspapers, print or digital. Twitter/X is close to even, but that's only recent after Elon took over. I mean we know for a fact that old Twitter was extensively throttling voices from the right. Facebook is still throttling conservatives. Random podcast tuning is probably close to even as well. And there's a need for people like you to assume I've chosen a side. Republicans are as useless as democrats, they just don't have a plethora of marxists in their midst. I'm on the side of truth. You can try to play the King game of claiming to he above it all and "neutral" but I promise you'll have to choose a "side" eventually wether you want to or not. 2
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