All_Pro_Bills Posted March 4, 2023 Posted March 4, 2023 On 3/4/2023 at 4:10 AM, Gene Frenkle said: This thread is gold. Tucker Carlson lies to you all of the time because he knows you are dumb. Expand Out of curiosity, I'd ask what media figures do you trust to tell the truth all the time?
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 4, 2023 Posted March 4, 2023 On 3/4/2023 at 1:21 PM, All_Pro_Bills said: Out of curiosity, I'd ask what media figures do you trust to tell the truth all the time? Expand Not tucker Carlson. David Brooks comes to mind. Mark Shields and he were awesome 1
JDHillFan Posted March 4, 2023 Posted March 4, 2023 On 3/4/2023 at 1:50 PM, redtail hawk said: Not tucker Carlson. David Brooks comes to mind. Mark Shields and he were awesome Expand https://newrepublic.com/article/142708/david-brooks-tyranny-data This guy? You are letting your age group down with what seems to be a total absence of savvy. Brooks reported incorrect dates, cited the wrong polling organization, named incorrect participants in the study the polls were actually taken from, gave wrong statistics, and, according to the authors of the study, offered an incorrect interpretation of the study’s findings. This one passage, which served to illustrate a central thesis of his book about a historical decline in humility, functioned as a main talking point for him and the media during the book’s PR campaign. Why would a distinguished writer like Brooks be so negligent—or purposefully misleading—with such a critical passage?
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 4, 2023 Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) On 3/4/2023 at 1:50 PM, redtail hawk said: Not tucker Carlson. David Brooks comes to mind. Mark Shields and he were awesome Expand Thanks. I'm aware of both. One writing I continue to draw insights from is a book written by Strauss and Howe, The Fourth Turning published in 1997. Not sure if you're aware or familiar with it. A chronicling of history from an American perspective and the cycles and phases that drive human experience. The short version is there are historical cycles of about 80 years consisting of 4 phases. With the 4th phase being a crisis period the ends the cycle and begins another. Right now we're in the crisis phase which will climax and end about 2026. How it ends and what follows is uncertain. Good, bad, progress, or regression? From my perspective since reading it back in 1997 it's been accurate predicting the major themes of the past 20+ years as they've unfolded. The gist is we're in for a rough ride and a historical event something like the Great Depression will test everyone's resolve and abilities. I should add one key insights about history. And that is the key thing isn't lessons of history some might cite as lost or missed by others. What's key is over time, in this case with the passing of previous generations, iIs the experience of those historical events. You can read all you want about things like the American Revolution and interpretations of those events but it's nothing like having lived it. Edited March 4, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills Insight 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 4, 2023 Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) On 3/4/2023 at 2:32 PM, JDHillFan said: https://newrepublic.com/article/142708/david-brooks-tyranny On 3/4/2023 at 2:32 PM, JDHillFan said: https://newrepublic.com/article/142708/david-brooks-tyranny-data This guy? You are letting your age group down with what seems to be a total absence of savvy. Brooks reported incorrect dates, cited the wrong polling organization, named incorrect participants in the study the polls were actually taken from, gave wrong statistics, and, according to the authors of the study, offered an incorrect interpretation of the study’s findings. This one passage, which served to illustrate a central thesis of his book about a historical decline in humility, functioned as a main talking point for him and the media during the book’s PR campaign. Why would a distinguished writer like Brooks be so negligent—or purposefully misleading—with such a critical passage? Expand -data This guy? You are letting your age group down with what seems to be a total absence of savvy. Brooks reported incorrect dates, cited the wrong polling organization, named incorrect participants in the study the polls were actually taken from, gave wrong statistics, and, according to the authors of the study, offered an incorrect interpretation of the study’s findings. This one passage, which served to illustrate a central thesis of his book about a historical decline in humility, functioned as a main talking point for him and the media during the book’s PR campaign. Why would a distinguished writer like Brooks be so negligent—or purposefully misleading—with such a critical passage? Expand Dude just wishes HE wrote for the NYT and had a regular gig on PBS Newshour…it’s called envy Edited March 4, 2023 by redtail hawk
JDHillFan Posted March 4, 2023 Posted March 4, 2023 On 3/4/2023 at 2:38 PM, redtail hawk said: Dude just wishes HE wrote for the NYT and had a regular gig on PBS Newshour…it’s called envy Expand Solid defense of your guy. Exceedingly well done. Forget all that stuff about phony data. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted March 4, 2023 Posted March 4, 2023 On 3/4/2023 at 2:54 PM, JDHillFan said: Solid defense of your guy. Exceedingly well done. Forget all that stuff about phony data. Expand I’m listening to a motivational speech on leadership. From what I saw quickly, he misattributed some references. It,s not analogous to repeatedly selling ideas you don’t believe or agree with
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 4, 2023 Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) On 3/4/2023 at 2:35 PM, All_Pro_Bills said: Thanks. I'm aware of both. One writing I continue to draw insights from is a book written by Strauss and Howe, The Fourth Turning published in 1997. Not sure if you're aware or familiar with it. A chronicling of history from an American perspective and the cycles and phases that drive human experience. The short version is there are historical cycles of about 80 years consisting of 4 phases. With the 4th phase being a crisis period the ends the cycle and begins another. Right now we're in the crisis phase which will climax and end about 2026. How it ends and what follows is uncertain. Good, bad, progress, or regression? From my perspective since reading it back in 1997 it's been accurate predicting the major themes of the past 20+ years as they've unfolded. The gist is we're in for a rough ride and a historical event something like the Great Depression will test everyone's resolve and abilities. I should add one key insights about history. And that is the key thing isn't lessons of history some might cite as lost or missed by others. What's key is over time, in this case with the passing of previous generations, iIs the experience of those historical events. You can read all you want about things like the American Revolution and interpretations of those events but it's nothing like having lived it. Expand I checked this book out on Amazon after reading your post. The summary appeals to me, as I tend to think of the works/business moving in cycles anyways. Question for you—do the author(s) offer practical solutions for consideration as to how to manage the various cycles? I recognize it’s a nearly 30 year old work, but part of the challenge for me is reading a book like this with no actionable plan to consider. Bottom line…it’s great to consider all these things, but if the end game is I ride the wave one way or the other, I’d just as soon skip the anxiety that comes with it. Thanks for the reference though. Edited March 4, 2023 by leh-nerd skin-erd
Doc Posted March 4, 2023 Posted March 4, 2023 It's like that scene in "Private Parts" where they say that the average Howard Stern hater listens to his show an hour longer than his average fan. The same reason is given for both: "I want to hear what he's going to say next." 1
Gene Frenkle Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 On 3/4/2023 at 5:13 PM, Doc said: It's like that scene in "Private Parts" where they say that the average Howard Stern hater listens to his show an hour longer than his average fan. The same reason is given for both: "I want to hear what he's going to say next." Expand My only exposure to Tuck is through @B-Man posts, and the Dominion lawsuit. That's where they show text messages from him saying he doesn't actually believe what he's telling you. Tucker knows it's ok to lie to you because his viewers are stupid and will watch regardless, because he's telling them what they want to hear. Facts never matter with such people.
Doc Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 On 3/5/2023 at 2:04 AM, Gene Frenkle said: My only exposure to Tuck is through @B-Man posts, and the Dominion lawsuit. That's where they show text messages from him saying he doesn't actually believe what he's telling you. Tucker knows it's ok to lie to you because his viewers are stupid and will watch regardless, because he's telling them what they want to hear. Facts never matter with such people. Expand It happens all over. You think that CNN, MSNBC and such are telling people the truth and not what they want to hear?
B-Man Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 Ahhhh, PPP'ers repeating the same spun nonsense over and over. . . . . . . . . . . . never with an actual reference. LOL. Same old thing, never actually watching the video, but somehow knowing what was said.
Gene Frenkle Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 On 3/5/2023 at 2:05 AM, Doc said: It happens all over. You think that CNN, MSNBC and such are telling people the truth and not what they want to hear? Expand Personally, I don't listen to any of them. In this case, we have hard evidence. There's the difference. Facts and evidence do matter to me. And there's the ever blissfully-ignorant @B-Man, right on cue. 1
BillsFanNC Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 So @redtail hawk has been railing for weeks against TC with "proof" that he said one thing to his audience while privately saying the opposite. Who would be shocked to learn that this narrative is, as usual, a corporate media lie? GG systematically shreds this bull####, by you know perforing actual journalism, in the video linked in the last tweet below. 1 1
L Ron Burgundy Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 On 3/5/2023 at 5:39 AM, BillsFanNC said: So @redtail hawk has been railing for weeks against TC with "proof" that he said one thing to his audience while privately saying the opposite. Who would be shocked to learn that this narrative is, as usual, a corporate media lie? GG systematically shreds this bull####, by you know perforing actual journalism, in the video linked in the last tweet below. Expand Addressing Russell Brand's take he's mostly right but there is a difference. There's a difference between blatant lies and bias. All major networks are guilty as hell of bias. Fox though is blatantly lying. Yes, msnbc is pretty much the lefts fox equivalent. Have they had any issue this bad though? I don't think so. And bringing up instances where they are wrong about something is not the same. 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 On 3/4/2023 at 3:11 PM, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I checked this book out on Amazon after reading your post. The summary appeals to me, as I tend to think of the works/business moving in cycles anyways. Question for you—do the author(s) offer practical solutions for consideration as to how to manage the various cycles? I recognize it’s a nearly 30 year old work, but part of the challenge for me is reading a book like this with no actionable plan to consider. Bottom line…it’s great to consider all these things, but if the end game is I ride the wave one way or the other, I’d just as soon skip the anxiety that comes with it. Thanks for the reference though. Expand The book contains a chapter on preparations from an individual and society level perspective. Much of the person level is focused on developing local support systems of people you can depend on and preparing for a period where the national government and other institutions people depend on won't be there to help, and you'll be pretty much on your own. Finding people that you can depend on and trust. The advantages of being a generalist rather than a specialist from a skills perspective. In the extreme, migrate to another country where the crisis phase of the cycle has either passed or has yet to appear (these were mentioned in the book somewhere). My take on the advice part is its pretty general stuff I've seen elsewhere and for detailed level advice some kind of basic preppers guide would be more helpful. I assume being in a high population density urban area would be the worst kind of place to be. Lots of people not a lot of resources like food sourced locally. People with specific skillsets that are mostly irrelevant during a crisis. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 5, 2023 Posted March 5, 2023 On 3/5/2023 at 1:33 PM, All_Pro_Bills said: The book contains a chapter on preparations from an individual and society level perspective. Much of the person level is focused on developing local support systems of people you can depend on and preparing for a period where the national government and other institutions people depend on won't be there to help, and you'll be pretty much on your own. Finding people that you can depend on and trust. The advantages of being a generalist rather than a specialist from a skills perspective. In the extreme, migrate to another country where the crisis phase of the cycle has either passed or has yet to appear (these were mentioned in the book somewhere). My take on the advice part is its pretty general stuff I've seen elsewhere and for detailed level advice some kind of basic preppers guide would be more helpful. I assume being in a high population density urban area would be the worst kind of place to be. Lots of people not a lot of resources like food sourced locally. People with specific skillsets that are mostly irrelevant during a crisis. Expand Thanks APB. I’ll put it on my list.
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