just1hugheser Posted April 20, 2021 Posted April 20, 2021 check this out from 8 years ago kinda interesting to compare with sportrac's list today https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1563549-breaking-down-the-money-at-every-nfl-position https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/average/linebacker/ 1
just1hugheser Posted April 20, 2021 Posted April 20, 2021 1 Khalil Mack CHI OLB $23,500,000 2 Von Miller DEN OLB $19,016,667 3 Bobby Wagner SEA ILB $18,000,000 4 Shaquil Barrett TB OLB $17,000,000 5 C.J. Mosley NYJ ILB $17,000,000 6 Bud Dupree TEN OLB $16,500,000 7 Za'Darius Smith GB OLB $16,500,000 8 Chandler Jones ARI OLB $16,500,000 9 Leonard Floyd LAR OLB $16,000,000 10 Zach Cunningham HOU ILB $14,500,000 11 Deion Jones ATL ILB $14,250,000 12 Myles Jack JAC ILB $14,250,000 13 Robert Quinn CHI OLB $14,000,000 14 Matt Judon NE OLB $13,625,000 15 Shaq Thompson CAR ILB $13,608,250 16 Whitney Mercilus HOU OLB $13,500,000 17 Preston Smith GB OLB $13,000,000 18 Jason Pierre-Paul TB OLB $12,500,000 19 Lavonte David TB OLB $12,500,000 20 Cory Littleton LV ILB $11,750,000 21 Jaylon Smith DAL ILB $11,403,500 22 Joe Schobert JAC ILB $10,750,000 23 Matt Milano BUF OLB $10,375,000 24 Blake Martinez NYG ILB $10,250,000 25 Benardrick McKinney MIA ILB $10,000,000 26 Eric Kendricks MIN ILB $10,000,000 27 Jamie Collins DET OLB $10,000,000 28 Demario Davis NO OLB $9,000,000 29 Anthony Hitchens KC ILB $9,000,000 30 Dont'a Hightower NE ILB $8,875,000 31 Chase Young WAS OLB $8,640,899 32 Anthony Barr MIN OLB $8,635,000 33 Jordan Hicks ARI ILB $8,500,000 34 Devin White TB ILB $7,328,954 35 Danny Trevathan CHI ILB $7,250,000 36 Nick Kwiatkoski LV OLB $7,000,000 37 Bradley Chubb DEN OLB $6,817,810 38 Devon Kennard ARI OLB $6,666,667 39 Samson Ebukam SF OLB $6,000,000 40 Haason Reddick CAR OLB $6,000,000 41 A.J. Klein BUF OLB $6,000,000 42 Kyle Van Noy NE ILB $6,000,000 43 Jarrad Davis NYJ ILB $5,500,000 44 Tyus Bowser BAL OLB $5,500,000 45 Jayon Brown TEN ILB $5,300,000 46 Isaiah Simmons ARI OLB $5,166,014 47 Devin Bush PIT ILB $4,717,941 48 Roquan Smith CHI ILB $4,619,292 49 Nicholas Morrow LV OLB $4,500,000 50 Rashan Gary GB OLB $3,969,328 51 Tyler Matakevich BUF ILB $3,575,000 52 Kevin Pierre-Louis HOU OLB $3,500,000 53 Brian Burns CAR OLB $3,385,046 1
just1hugheser Posted April 20, 2021 Posted April 20, 2021 Projected 2022 cap is anywhere from 200-230mil, a large increase to say the least
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted April 20, 2021 Posted April 20, 2021 12 hours ago, Tcali said: Edmunds doesnt have the body type for middle linebacker.Too top heavy.--Put him outside as well so he can use that speed . 🤔 1
GreggTX Posted April 20, 2021 Posted April 20, 2021 That goes double for Edmunds and Oliver. They were 1st round picks. As such, they should not be using the excuse that they need to have a better 1-Tech or DE's to play better. They should be the ones elevating the performance of the people around them.
Thurman#1 Posted April 20, 2021 Posted April 20, 2021 4 hours ago, just1hugheser said: Isn't it based on a combinaiton of circumstances, time, and subjective opinion? No, not particularly. It's more about motivation. A reason doesn't have a motivation. It's just an explanation or cause. Whereas the purpose of an excuse is to justify a mistake or problem or fault. People without much of an argument generally refer to reasons as excuses. Not about themselves, of course, but about people they don't like.
Coach Tuesday Posted April 20, 2021 Posted April 20, 2021 Am I the only person in the universe who thought Oliver was one of our best players last season?
Thurman#1 Posted April 20, 2021 Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, GreggTX said: That goes double for Edmunds and Oliver. They were 1st round picks. As such, they should not be using the excuse that they need to have a better 1-Tech or DE's to play better. They should be the ones elevating the performance of the people around them. Could you just real quick find a quotation from Edmunds or Oliver blaming problems on anything? We can wait. If you find a quotation like that, your post will have a tiny little something behind it. But you won't. And it doesn't. It isn't Edmunds or Oliver making excuses. It's sensible football people, none of whom play for the Bills. And noting that teams are way way more complex than you're pretending here is only acknowledging reality and understanding what happens on the field. Would you make the same argument about how badly Mahomes played in the Super Bowl? I mean, he was a first-round pick. According to your logic he didn't need better OL play to win that game. He should have elevated the performance of the people around him, including that OL. The idea is dumb. Even the best players in the league need the people around them to play well if they're going to maximize performance. That's why they're called football "teams." Edited April 20, 2021 by Thurman#1 1
GunnerBill Posted April 20, 2021 Posted April 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Am I the only person in the universe who thought Oliver was one of our best players last season? No, Brandon Beane did too. He said the numbers are not indicative of how well Ed played. I thought he played really well at times and not well enough at others. It is consistency with Ed Oliver for me. The talent is undeniable and pops off the tape. Just gotta get more consistent. Down in and down out.
IgotBILLStopay Posted April 20, 2021 Posted April 20, 2021 So, something similar was said here: and that OP, @FireChans was vilified. Cannot understand this board sometimes. SMH.
GunnerBill Posted April 20, 2021 Posted April 20, 2021 3 hours ago, just1hugheser said: 1 Khalil Mack CHI OLB $23,500,000 2 Von Miller DEN OLB $19,016,667 3 Bobby Wagner SEA ILB $18,000,000 4 Shaquil Barrett TB OLB $17,000,000 5 C.J. Mosley NYJ ILB $17,000,000 6 Bud Dupree TEN OLB $16,500,000 7 Za'Darius Smith GB OLB $16,500,000 8 Chandler Jones ARI OLB $16,500,000 9 Leonard Floyd LAR OLB $16,000,000 10 Zach Cunningham HOU ILB $14,500,000 11 Deion Jones ATL ILB $14,250,000 12 Myles Jack JAC ILB $14,250,000 13 Robert Quinn CHI OLB $14,000,000 14 Matt Judon NE OLB $13,625,000 15 Shaq Thompson CAR ILB $13,608,250 16 Whitney Mercilus HOU OLB $13,500,000 17 Preston Smith GB OLB $13,000,000 18 Jason Pierre-Paul TB OLB $12,500,000 19 Lavonte David TB OLB $12,500,000 20 Cory Littleton LV ILB $11,750,000 21 Jaylon Smith DAL ILB $11,403,500 22 Joe Schobert JAC ILB $10,750,000 23 Matt Milano BUF OLB $10,375,000 24 Blake Martinez NYG ILB $10,250,000 25 Benardrick McKinney MIA ILB $10,000,000 26 Eric Kendricks MIN ILB $10,000,000 27 Jamie Collins DET OLB $10,000,000 28 Demario Davis NO OLB $9,000,000 29 Anthony Hitchens KC ILB $9,000,000 30 Dont'a Hightower NE ILB $8,875,000 31 Chase Young WAS OLB $8,640,899 32 Anthony Barr MIN OLB $8,635,000 33 Jordan Hicks ARI ILB $8,500,000 34 Devin White TB ILB $7,328,954 35 Danny Trevathan CHI ILB $7,250,000 36 Nick Kwiatkoski LV OLB $7,000,000 37 Bradley Chubb DEN OLB $6,817,810 38 Devon Kennard ARI OLB $6,666,667 39 Samson Ebukam SF OLB $6,000,000 40 Haason Reddick CAR OLB $6,000,000 41 A.J. Klein BUF OLB $6,000,000 42 Kyle Van Noy NE ILB $6,000,000 43 Jarrad Davis NYJ ILB $5,500,000 44 Tyus Bowser BAL OLB $5,500,000 45 Jayon Brown TEN ILB $5,300,000 46 Isaiah Simmons ARI OLB $5,166,014 47 Devin Bush PIT ILB $4,717,941 48 Roquan Smith CHI ILB $4,619,292 49 Nicholas Morrow LV OLB $4,500,000 50 Rashan Gary GB OLB $3,969,328 51 Tyler Matakevich BUF ILB $3,575,000 52 Kevin Pierre-Louis HOU OLB $3,500,000 53 Brian Burns CAR OLB $3,385,046 That is the list we should really be looking at if we are talking where does Edmunds fit in this market. got rid of the 3-4 edge rushers.
H2o Posted April 20, 2021 Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: That is the list we should really be looking at if we are talking where does Edmunds fit in this market. got rid of the 3-4 edge rushers. That CJ Mosley contract should be chalked up to blatant Jets stupidity and not seriously considered. 1
GunnerBill Posted April 20, 2021 Posted April 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, H2o said: That CJ Mosley contract should be chalked up to blatant Jets stupidity and not seriously considered. The Zach Cunningham one isn't much better. He is a slightly above average inside 'backer. A solid starter, but no more than that. Edmunds's numbers actually compare pretty favourably to in a lot of areas. 1
H2o Posted April 20, 2021 Posted April 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The Zach Cunningham one isn't much better. He is a slightly above average inside 'backer. A solid starter, but no more than that. Edmunds's numbers actually compare pretty favourably to in a lot of areas. Right now he's between that #10 and #21 range if we are talking long term. If the light switch completely comes on and the young man starts living up to his potential then it could end up being more. He'll definitely want more $$$ than Milano. Even with the hefty price tag I think the Bills pick up the 5th year option and go from there. 1
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 20, 2021 Posted April 20, 2021 12 hours ago, SirAndrew said: Those are all fair points that I agree with. You made a great point about Reggie White type players. It’s understandable what they want Epenesa to be, it just worries me to ask that much from a young player. A second draft choice is a big investment in someone you want to completely change. It’s like getting married with the expectation the person completely changes themselves after the wedding. Why didn’t they just go after someone who fit what they wanted ? Apart from the TE situation, I think this regime has been great with the offense. I’m not sure what they’re trying to build on defense. I still believe that McD is a phenomenal defensive coach. I’d love to see what he could do with less awkward fits on defense. Agree. I've been quite outspoken that they need to draft a true edge player and/or move Edmunds to Edge. The kid from Carolina Obada is intriguing. 6-5 and 265 and had 5.5 sacks last year. Quite a few on here feel CB#2 is more of a need. I get that and they may be correct, but I'm higher on Wallace than others. I feel more pass rush helps the secondary more than adding another CB. Epenesa developing, a rookie edge, moving Oliver back to 3-tech all the time, and developing the successor to Star should be the plan for the DL this year. 2
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 20, 2021 Posted April 20, 2021 59 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: No, Brandon Beane did too. He said the numbers are not indicative of how well Ed played. I thought he played really well at times and not well enough at others. It is consistency with Ed Oliver for me. The talent is undeniable and pops off the tape. Just gotta get more consistent. Down in and down out. This is spot on. He really flashed at times. Hughes was still the best DL by far but Oliver played well at times too. Nowhere near a top 10 draft pick status but that is what he will always be compared against. You would want a top 10 pick in the conversation as top 3 or 4 in the league at their position. I'm not sure he is top 10 in the conference yet but he had his moments last year. DT's take a while to develop. I think we will see what Oliver's ceiling will look like this year. I'm thinking 8 sacks, a handful of tackles for loss, and two forced fumbles.
Rk_Bills86 Posted April 20, 2021 Posted April 20, 2021 I think we need a better and more informed analysis on these players performances - there is a ton of Couch Coaching/GM people saying that those 4 players are bad/underperforming while those who actually work directly in the league or have experience playing/coaching at the NFL level suggest they are all doing just fine. Just throwing my 2 cents out here - but if nothing else the players you've mentioned are solid starters - just simply not HOF to Elite. While - yes - you would like for higher draft picks to produce better numbers - it is certainly not a total failure for them to be drafted and producing at the level they are doing so. More to the point - we are in an interesting position this year for the draft that I would imagine is extremely envious (or the saying "it's a good problem to have") in which, we are solely looking for that ELITE talent - virtually regardless of position - to upgrade solid starters because there are no true holes on the team. The only reason we are in this position is because we have - since the new Coach/GM dynamic was put in place - drafted very well (players are contributing and still on the team taking meaningful snaps while at least producing). It's fascinating how quickly people on the board have forgotten how bad we were at drafting, across all rounds, for the majority of needs, for SOOOOOO long.
K-9 Posted April 20, 2021 Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: Am I the only person in the universe who thought Oliver was one of our best players last season? You have company, but there doesn’t seem to be a lot of us. I get the impression that unless a player is constantly making eye popping plays, then people are missing the subtleties of the game. How many times does a guy make a great play simply because the players around him did their job? I submit it happens far more than we often know. Edited April 20, 2021 by K-9 1
Beerball Posted April 20, 2021 Posted April 20, 2021 19 hours ago, Playoff Win said: This past season a number of drafted players on defense didn’t perform up to expectations. Ed Oliver. Excuse: was playing out of position at one tech. Harrison Phillips. Excuse: was recovering from injury. Tremaine Edmunds. Excuse #1: was compensating for bad DL play. Excuse #2: was too young. A.J. Epenesa. Excuse: was a rookie. Most of the above excuses are pretty solid. That said, they all go away this season. By the end of the year we should know what we have or don’t have with all four players. This couldn't go into the "why can't Beane get the defense right" thread?
billsfan_34 Posted April 20, 2021 Posted April 20, 2021 18 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Good OP! As for Edmunds he played terribly against Baltimore and KC when he was supposedly fully healed. I am rooting for him because if he was truly a ProBowl level player he can anchor the defense for another 5-7 years. I just have not seen it. I have been critical of him for a while now. To be fair I watched a 2020 highlight film and he did have a real nice goal line stop on a running play last year. I think it was San Fran or Denver game( I missed them both). Other than that I don't recall any significant plays he made all year. Oliver has flashed. DTs take time to develop. Still think he can be a 8-10 sack guy from the interior. Epenesa also flashed. Harrison is just not good enough. He was a penetrating DT at Stanford not a guy that took on double teams. He may be a training camp cut if they draft 1-tech DT. Edmunds is an OLB, all day every day. That is one of the issues and he played hurt for a big chunk of the season without Milano next to him.
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