Solomon Grundy Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 58 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Here's a hot take, I really would look at drafting 2 CBs early and a big fat 1T and be happy with the draft Edge guys are meh this year and I would rather not swing an miss. Aj will give us a little bit and I'm hoping Star springs Oliver free and the in turn helps Hughes. I think better coverage will help the pass rush as well. Side note: I want a disruptive Edge guy more than anything, just not getting in this year in the draft... I was thinking that they draft 2 big DTs later(Slaton, Neal Jr). I'd prefer to acquire a disruptive interior lineman... cough... Geno Atkins... If they stay at 30, this player has to contribute from day one. Either on a rotational basis or starter. I'm a big Zaven Collins fan. He was a playmaker at Tulsa. I also think Terrance Marshall can come in and contribute. One player who's not getting the attention he deserves is Quincy Roche. Not at 30, but would love him as a pass rush specialist a la Shaq Barrett. 35 minutes ago, glazeduck said: Is this a serious question? Bobby Hart is maybe 50/50 to even make the active roster. It's okay to shoot a little higher for that for your draft picks... I consider him training camp fodder 1
Royale with Cheese Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: For sure. I think he’s likely going to start even if we draft corner @30, with the rookie hopefully taking over as the season goes on. My point is, he should upgrade our cb2 if we want to be able to play the chiefs honest. Whatever D we saw vs them in the AFCCG, I hope to never see again 🤮 Yeah that game plan was terrible. Especially since KC's offense was struggling for the last month of the season. Then TB completely destroyed their MASH unit offensive line. If I had to guess, I would say Assante Samuel Jr if available at 30 will be our pick. Or if he's still there around pick 22 and up...I can see Beane making the move up. I also like the UGA defensive end but I don't think they'll trade up for him. Maybe if he's still there at 30.
turftoe Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 36 minutes ago, glazeduck said: Is this a serious question? Bobby Hart is maybe 50/50 to even make the active roster. It's okay to shoot a little higher for that for your draft picks... Yes, it was a serious question. Ok then, why was AJ Epenesa drafted that high? His RAS was 4.43, I think.
Success Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 I'm ready to be surprised or even shocked by whoever we pick, though my draft routine is always the same. I immediately google scouting assessments, only focus on the "strengths" section, and within 5 minutes think it's another coup for Beane.
todd Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 After Star, we're extremely weak at a 1 technique DT. I'm hoping we can find one. The way we rotate, there needs to be good depth behind Star. We saw what happened last year when he wasn't there. The D wasn't as good, and we had trouble getting to the QB. So that's what I'm hoping for somewhere in the remaining offseason.
NewEra Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 15 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Yeah that game plan was terrible. Especially since KC's offense was struggling for the last month of the season. Then TB completely destroyed their MASH unit offensive line. If I had to guess, I would say Assante Samuel Jr if available at 30 will be our pick. Or if he's still there around pick 22 and up...I can see Beane making the move up. I also like the UGA defensive end but I don't think they'll trade up for him. Maybe if he's still there at 30. I sure hope Samuel isn’t the pick @30. I’m not a fan of the guy in a zone. We need a corner with some height, length and speed imo. If we go corner I hope it’s Newsome. If he’s gone, I’d take Tyson Campbell. I’d take stokes or Joseph ahead of Samuel too. ojulari would be a nice eventual replacement for Jerry. He’s better vs the run than people give him credit for too. I just don’t think he’s what this FO looks for in a DE. 6’2
glazeduck Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, turftoe said: Yes, it was a serious question. Ok then, why was AJ Epenesa drafted that high? His RAS was 4.43, I think. You're asking the wrong guy on that one, I wasn't a big fan of his, but I would guess versatility, great tape, endless motor, consistent production in a big-time league, room for growth and positional need were among the reasons? BTW my "is this a serious question" was a serious question, I didn't mean offense, just wasn't sure if you were joking or not... RAS and athleticism are becoming big determinants in draft slating but they can't be the only determinants. Edited April 14, 2021 by glazeduck 1
Royale with Cheese Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: I sure hope Samuel isn’t the pick @30. I’m not a fan of the guy in a zone. We need a corner with some height, length and speed imo. If we go corner I hope it’s Newsome. If he’s gone, I’d take Tyson Campbell. I’d take stokes or Joseph ahead of Samuel too. ojulari would be a nice eventual replacement for Jerry. He’s better vs the run than people give him credit for too. I just don’t think he’s what this FO looks for in a DE. 6’2 I was going with Samuel just because I've heard his name in many Bills related podcasts. I don't know anything about him except his dad was good. 1
NewEra Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I was going with Samuel just because I've heard his name in many Bills related podcasts. I don't know anything about him except his dad was good. Copy that. I’ve watched a bit of his tape. Decent player and I’d like him if we needed a man slot guy, or man cover guy in general. I don’t like him for our scheme though. Give me some length and speed on the outside 1
DCOrange Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 The "playmaker is vague" comments are kinda odd considering a sentence or two later, he specifically said he's hearing a YAC receiver, 3 down back, and speedy corner. Aside from naming specific names, that's pretty specific. Focusing on YAC receivers that might be available, the tops in the class statistically speaking are (in order of YAC/rec, and some scouting notes from PFF's draft guide): D'Wayne Eskridge - 14.4 - 5'9", 190 lbs, he's considered to have pretty poor hands, run pretty poor routes, and doesn't make people miss, but he has a lot of speed. Anthony Schwartz - 9.0 - 6'0", 186 lbs, "fastest WR in the class, no debate", "not a receiver, no feel for route running or ball skills", doesn't make people miss but his speed allows him to just outrun people Cade Johnson - 9.0 (in 2019) - 6'0", 184 lbs, an older prospect so might not be a priority for Beane, good acceleration and plays with no fear. Amari Rodgers - 8.0 - 5'10", 212 lbs, tied for 7th most missed tackles forced, regarded as having very good hands but pretty poor route running, PFF thinks he may be used as a RB in the NFL. Jaelon Darden - 7.7 - Only 5'8" and 174 lbs, he led the country in missed tackles forced at the WR position and put up 1,190 yards and 19 TDs this year (granted against lower level competition than other prospects) Rondale Moore - 7.0 - 5'7", 180 lbs, freak of nature athlete with great production, good at running the few routes Purdue used him for, and good hands, but he's barely played the last two years due to injuries and a lot of his production came off of screens which generally hasn't been a big part of our offense. Kadarius Toney - 6.8 - 6'0", 193 lbs, elite athletic scores, "some might say he has generational YAC abilities", moves in a way that nobody else really does, great hands, elite acceleration but top speed isn't anything special, "wholly unpolished route-runner", dealt with injury issues his first 3 years of college 23 minutes ago, todd said: After Star, we're extremely weak at a 1 technique DT. I'm hoping we can find one. The way we rotate, there needs to be good depth behind Star. We saw what happened last year when he wasn't there. The D wasn't as good, and we had trouble getting to the QB. So that's what I'm hoping for somewhere in the remaining offseason. Pretty much everyone I follow on draft twitter has basically said no matter how desperate you are, you should just skip this year's class of one-tech DTs lol. 2
Motorin' Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Etienne can’t pass block so must be Harris. No way they put him out there on 3rd down in this offense if he can’t pass block Lots of good YAC options - Elijah Moore In the 1st Speedy CB is a straight up NEED Maybe Javonte Williams?
mannc Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Etienne can’t pass block so must be Harris. No way they put him out there on 3rd down in this offense if he can’t pass block Lots of good YAC options - Elijah Moore In the 1st Speedy CB is a straight up NEED They already have two slow RBs; they don’t need to add Harris.
WideNine Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, NewEra said: After being aggressive the entire season (and to start the AFCCG going for it on 4th down on our 1st possession) McD reverted back to his old tendencies, kicking FGs while the oppostion scores TD after TD. Coaching not to lose as opposed to coaching to win the game. the afccg showed me that we need a better CB2. McD was coaching scared on D. Almost as if he had zero confidence in the players in coverage. We didn’t have a defender in position to stop one pass the entire game. That was the worst defensive performance we had all year and it looked like (to me) that McD was worried about getting beat overtop on every play. Also covering TEs was a problem all season and really noticeable against KC. Not sure if was role limitations within the scheme that prevented the Bills from matching up with the right personnel, or the lack of player(s) with that ability. Pressure and coverage.... a corner opposite White and shoring up their 1-tech position would help too. They should be able to address the 1-T position in later rounds, but there is usually a run on good DB's. I give up trying to guess which direction Beane is going to go in the 1st. He has surprised me each year and his penchant for moving around with trades makes it hard to pin his draft position. Edited April 14, 2021 by WideNine 1
mannc Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Maybe Javonte Williams? Too slow
DCOrange Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, mannc said: Too slow No RAS for Najee Harris since he didn't do athletic testing, but needless to say, Javonte and Etienne would both represent a massive upgrade in the athleticism department over Moss/Singletary (though I still hate the idea of taking a RB this year anyways). Edited April 14, 2021 by DCOrange 2 1
Motorin' Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, mannc said: Too slow Idk, I think he has top end acceleration. While his top gear isn't break away, he gets to his top gear as fast. He has a better 3 cone and shuttle than Alvin Kamara (at Kamara's pro day) and the same 40.
bigK14094 Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 The only indicator I believe predraft is when a franchise talks multiple times to a potential draftee. That is time spent, and means serious interest. imho.
mannc Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, DCOrange said: No RAS for Najee Harris since he didn't do athletic testing, but needless to say, Javonte and Etienne would both represent a massive upgrade in the athleticism department over Moss/Singletary (though I still hate the idea of taking a RB this year anyways). I’d be good with Etienne...
BuffaloRebound Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 I could see a guy like rondale Moore at pick 30 before a RB. 2
glazeduck Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 (edited) This year, with ALL visits being over video chat, will be a really interesting test against the "visits=interest" theory. If I'm a GM, I'm actively wanting guys I'm pretending-but-not-really-interested-in to let reporters know that I've been in contact with them, and I'm wanting guys that I really want to absolutely say NOTHING about my contact with them. I wouldn't be altogether surprised if there's actually a negative correlation this year, to that end. Should be interesting! Edited April 14, 2021 by glazeduck 1
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