Tenhigh Posted April 15, 2021 Posted April 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, Motorin' said: I don't really believe mental illness is the cause of her death. The gun shot is... So were her illegal actions the cause of her getting shot?
TSOL Posted April 15, 2021 Posted April 15, 2021 Damn, alot of you are really dancing on the fine line between "innocent until proven guilty" and "if a suspect doesn't comply, an officer has the right to shoot them" It's scary to me 1
BillStime Posted April 15, 2021 Posted April 15, 2021 1 minute ago, TSOL said: Damn, alot of you are really dancing on the fine line between "innocent until proven guilty" and "if a suspect doesn't comply, an officer has the right to shoot them" It's scary to me This only applies to white people; with the exception of those in blue on the Capitol on 1/6.
wnyguy Posted April 15, 2021 Posted April 15, 2021 1 minute ago, TSOL said: Damn, alot of you are really dancing on the fine line between "innocent until proven guilty" and "if a suspect doesn't comply, an officer has the right to shoot them" It's scary to me No not at all, what's being said is that if a suspect fails to comply the chances of being shot go up enormously.
Melon Posted April 15, 2021 Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, wnyguy said: No not at all, what's being said is that if a suspect fails to comply the chances of being shot go up enormously. Some see this as a problem with the police. It's not their job to shoot someone who fails to comply. They are not judge and executioner. Some see this as a benefit of the police. They feel it's fine that a cop shoots someone who fails to comply. They do not mind the cops who are judge and executioner. The racists who think this have held their heads high throughout this thread. #BeBest Edited April 15, 2021 by Melania Trump 1
wnyguy Posted April 15, 2021 Posted April 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Melania Trump said: Some see this as a problem with the police. It's not their job to shoot someone who fails to comply. They are not judge and executioner. Some see this as a benefit of the police. They feel it's fine that a cop shoots someone who fails to comply. They do not mind the cops who are judge and executioner. The racists who think this have held their heads high throughout this thread. #BeBest All I'm saying is - Comply and you don't get shot. Don't comply and the risk of injury or even death is high.
TSOL Posted April 15, 2021 Posted April 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, wnyguy said: All I'm saying is - Comply and you don't get shot. Don't comply and the risk of injury or even death is high. You seem so acceptant of that fact. Can we live in a world where we don't have to fear being blown away by the cops? This isn't a dirty harry movie you know, this is real life
wnyguy Posted April 15, 2021 Posted April 15, 2021 Just now, TSOL said: You seem so acceptant of that fact. Can we live in a world where we don't have to fear being blown away by the cops? This isn't a dirty harry movie you know, this is real life Of course I accept it because it's the truth. Had this guy complied he would still be alive. Seems simple enough.
TSOL Posted April 15, 2021 Posted April 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, wnyguy said: Of course I accept it because it's the truth. Had this guy complied he would still be alive. Seems simple enough. Well, the acceptance of these issues is what enables them. Thanks for your contribution.
wnyguy Posted April 15, 2021 Posted April 15, 2021 1 minute ago, TSOL said: Well, the acceptance of these issues is what enables them. Thanks for your contribution. You're welcome and should you need me to point out the obvious in the future feel free to ask.
Melon Posted April 15, 2021 Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, wnyguy said: Of course I accept it because it's the truth. Had this guy complied he would still be alive. Seems simple enough. Had the officer done her job within the confines of the law he would still be alive. Even simpler. Edited April 15, 2021 by Melania Trump
wnyguy Posted April 15, 2021 Posted April 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Melania Trump said: Had the officer done her job within the confines of the law he would still be alive. Even simpler. If the guy had complied, not struggled, not attempt to flee, this officer would have had no reason to mistake her pistol with her taser because she wouldn't have reached for either. 2
Motorin' Posted April 15, 2021 Posted April 15, 2021 39 minutes ago, Tenhigh said: So were her illegal actions the cause of her getting shot? I'd say what she did, attempting to breach the inner Capital with 100's if not 1000's right behind her was a sad but reasonable justification for the use of deadly force. Shooting her right then may have saved lives that day. 1
Boatdrinks Posted April 15, 2021 Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, TSOL said: You seem so acceptant of that fact. Can we live in a world where we don't have to fear being blown away by the cops? This isn't a dirty harry movie you know, this is real life When criminals stop shooting at cops , tons of illegal handguns aren’t out on the streets and murders tail off. So , basically no. Ideally we can, but bad people with zero respect for life or others screw it up. Besides, “ living in fear” of such an occurrence is completely unnecessary and unrealistic. Pure hyperbole. The numbers show these are pretty isolated events on a year to year basis. You have a much better chance of winning the lottery, or having a hammer fall off the top shelf at Lowe’s and go through your skull. Now, if your actions constantly put you in police contact the chances go up, but they’re still verylow. Even if you’re arrested and cuffed , these things happen every day without a major incident. Living in fear is caving into sensationalism. Do you live in fear of a mass murder every time you go in the grocery store ? 1 hour ago, Motorin' said: She was clearly suffering from some form of mental illness that drove her to climb through a broken window into the inner Capitol chamber while federal agents pointed guns at her ordering her not to come through... And that's how ti works, right? Police don't kill people, people kill themselves? Nope. How many unarmed ( female) protesters of color have been shot during the liberal riots of 2019 and 2020 ? I’ll hang up and listen. Edited April 15, 2021 by Boatdrinks
Boatdrinks Posted April 15, 2021 Posted April 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, Melania Trump said: Had the officer done her job within the confines of the law he would still be alive. Even simpler. Yep, she was negligent. His actions played a role as he had a warrant , illegal gun charge and decided to take a chance. Both are true. He got a Cop that didn’t bring their A game that day. Chance you take when you tempt fate.
Melon Posted April 15, 2021 Posted April 15, 2021 11 minutes ago, wnyguy said: If the guy had complied, not struggled, not attempt to flee, this officer would have had no reason to mistake her pistol with her taser because she wouldn't have reached for either. If all criminals were perfect angels there would be no reason for cops. She has been on the force for 26 years. She failed to do the job she signed up for. 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: Yep, she was negligent. His actions played a role as he had a warrant , illegal gun charge and decided to take a chance. Both are true. He got a Cop that didn’t bring their A game that day. Chance you take when you tempt fate. Her negligence is the sole reason he is dead.
Boatdrinks Posted April 15, 2021 Posted April 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Melania Trump said: If all criminals were perfect angels there would be no reason for cops. She has been on the force for 26 years. She failed to do the job she signed up for. Her negligence is the sole reason he is dead. Your last sentence is where you go off track. The first statements are all true. The last cannot be. If she had simply approached the vehicle, opened the door and shot him it would be true. That’s not what happened. He had a huge part in his own demise. 1
TSOL Posted April 15, 2021 Posted April 15, 2021 16 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: When criminals stop shooting at cops , tons of illegal handguns aren’t out on the streets and murders tail off. So , basically no. Ideally we can, but bad people with zero respect for life or others screw it up. Honestly the cops are the criminals and you all know it 1
Boatdrinks Posted April 15, 2021 Posted April 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, TSOL said: Honestly the cops are the criminals and you all know it Just added some other points to my previous response thru an edit. Read it if you wish. Your statement has zero basis in reality, the numbers don’t back it up in any way. You’ve fallen victim to radical hyperbolic sensationalists. Or you’ve listened to “ sympathy for the devil” too many times in a row.
TSOL Posted April 15, 2021 Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Just added some other points to my previous response thru an edit. Read it if you wish. Your statement has zero basis in reality, the numbers don’t back it up in any way. You’ve fallen victim to radical hyperbolic sensationalists. Or you’ve listened to “ sympathy for the devil” too many times in a row. How do you suppose all this heroine and illegal guns get into our country in the first place? You're aware of our long standing "guns for dope" program in afghanistan right? I'll look for a link for you Go ahead and laugh that off and show everybody your naivete Edited April 15, 2021 by TSOL
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