JMF2006 Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 Zaven Collins sounds like a beast but he has only been playing LB for 2 years so he might be almost as big a project as the DE
Reed83HOF Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, NewEra said: We have plenty of long term holes. PLENTY. Beyond 2021, who do we have at cb2, TE1, C, LG, RG, 1T, DE1, DE2, WR3 Is Morse a core player? feliciano? Ford? Boettger? Star? Addison? Jerry? Butler? Phillips? Bam? Zimmer? Levi? Dane? Knox? Motor? Beane is thinking long term sustainability. That’s obvious after watching this offseason. He’s not going all in. Josh hasn’t been paid and we’re up against the cap. When you pay your QB 40M a year, a Gms best friends are is his draft picks that start and get paid 1M a year for 4 years. That’s what we need going forward. Maybe not in 2021 so much, but for the foundation of the teams future super bowl runs. These picks are the most important. I’d love to add an elite player..,.but which elite player are we going to trade up for and how many potential future starters are we going to trade for that player? And is that “elite player” going to run into 17 or 49? If we trade multiple picks for a guy that pans out like 49, we may very well screw this whole thing up You can say plenty of long term holes for every position, we have a lot of expiring contracts in the next 2 to 3 years, basically everyone except Tre, Milano, Dawkins, Poyer. You are correct about long term sustainability and Beane wants to resign our own, he doesn't necessarily want big FA splashes either. When you look at our roster, it always comes down to a numbers game. How many guys can you carry going into camp, 90, how many make a roster 53 and how many on the practice squad, 6. So you have 59 real spots available and then you have the position groups and the numbers there. The draft class, has to be able to crack those positional groupings and be part of the top 59. Our roster is very deep, with the exception of 3 positions right now, Safety, CB and OL. We only have 4 safeties and we have been searching for a CB2 for what seems like an eternity. I would call these more immediate needs heading into this season, and being as of now a cap strapped team (we can make more space with restructures, but it would honestly have to be a special player IMO), we aren't making a big FA move after the draft. We don't have a 4th this year, so I willbl start with the 2 rd5 picks, what are the chances those players make the top 59? What are the chances our 5th, 6th and 7th push one of those 59 out for a spot? Very low and unlikely, with the exception of CB depth and one position I will get to below. Looking at next off-season, again, CB is a need with Levi, Taron, Phillips, Hughes and Addison as UFAs and Star may retire or not, but is certainly a year older, these positions could be prime for depth. When I look at the Safety and CB spots, Samuel Jr can handle playing outside and Melifonwu can also play Safety as well as grow in a CB2 role. I also think he could fill the big nickel role as well. I don't see us moving up that high in RD1, because the cost will require a RD2 or an RD3, which I see Beane wanting to keep. Edge doesn't excite me much this year, Paye would be someone I look at, but I don't see him dropping low enough for us to snag. Barmore if he falls would be a good choice and Phillips could move on. Phillips was benched after all last season (I know the injury, but still). Again, I'm not sure we trade a 2 or a 3 to snag him this year and the other picks have very little value for that move. I have to consider this because Beane is a wheeler and dealer in the draft moving to grab his targets. We have a real hole at DT 1T, and I'm not sure I'm touching that until maybe rd3 and I would use those 5ths, 6ths and 7ths to make a move for a guy. CB and Saftey are the 2 biggest holes and those players have the best spot of making the roster via the numbers game. Looking at a cap perspective, if we let Levi and Taron walk, the cost of replacements between an Rd1 and Rd2 player will keep the hits much lower for the next 5 and 4 years respectively than going to UFA route and should keep the overall positional cost close to neutral. OL is a sneaky pick and I love the value that will he around there in late rd1 early 2, but I don't see the player making an immediate upgrade this year or next, which is why I have it lower on my list. RB, I love Etienne, just would be a little surprised to see that pick by Beane there, but he would be BPA by a mile IMO.... Edited April 14, 2021 by Reed83HOF
Reed83HOF Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 8 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said: Maybe another pick in the top 100 and a chance to fill in the 93 to 161 gap that lacking a 4th round pick creates. I can't see the Bills war room sitting on their collective butts and 67 players are taken while they watch without a chance to snag one of the guys they targeted. We have 59 spots on the active roster and PS and a very deep roster, what players will the 2 5th rounders a 6th rounder and 7th rounder push for a spot?
DCOrange Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 1 hour ago, JMF2006 said: I voted for the RB as its the thinnest position. I am pretty sure that the DE listed is the monster athlete who didn't record a sack last year in 7 starts. A first round tackle that doesn't start? you draft depth later. I Don't know much about the LB I need to do some research You're thinking of Jayson Oweh, not Joseph Ossai. Ossai had 5.5 sacks this year and was 4th in the country in TFL. 1
Draconator Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 I would absolutely love Etienne on this roster. I can see a lot of Thurman similarities, but to be honest I can also see a lot of Spiller similarities as well.
Reed83HOF Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: @Reed83HOF- I think you’re falsely equating trading back with drafting more players. I don’t think that’s the case at all for where the bills are. Trading back out of the first gives you flexibility in the 2-4 rounds to move up and around and get several players you like. If they don’t have anyone they love in round 1, you could flip that for a 2 and 4, or even 2 and 3 and then use your later picks to move around those rounds to get 4-6 top 150 picks that you see as solid depth and developmental pieces. While I agree that you there isn’t much room on this roster for late round depth; I think the best idea is to leverage for mid-round talent to build depth and create competition while giving you options for the future. I don’t know how likely that is, but I think it’s a viable route and I wouldn’t be shocked to see it. i also don’t think the “he’s never traded back” logic makes sense. We’re talking about 3 drafts that Beane has run. Hardly a huge sample size, and he’s never had a roster so stacked. The world is his oyster right now and he truly can let the draft come to him, so I’m not holding my breath about any option. These are good points and I can't argue against them as I agree with it to a degree. If you could slide into early rd2 and pick up a 3rd(and using our later picks to sweeten this pit) or 4th, it does make some sense. Beane loves to talk about BPA and he follows it to a certain extent, but he knows what players he really likes and he will target them and go get them, he has done this every draft and his usual comment is that they were rated so high and sticking out like a sore them so we had to go get him. He is also the guy that would rather get his guy and then not have him available when the next pick comes up, if you like a player and he's there at your pick and the value in the board is there you take him. When your next pick comes around he may be gone. IIRC, he has also made a comment saying that if you trade back, you might as well trade out of the entire round, granted this year it makes sense with only 2 picks till RD2. The 5th year option though is something I tend to think he would prefer to have and having a player you like potentially be taken before this next pick, is not a risk I see him taking, unless there are multiple players available. When he traded up for Knox, he indicated that the TE run happened and they had to make a move before they were shut out. I don't see him wanting to trade back and have the run on CBS, for instance, happen before that pick.
mannc Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 15 hours ago, Virgil said: I really can't imagine them going WR, can you? Diggs and Davis aren't going anywhere, even if Beasley leaves after next season, I can't imagine a #3/4 receiver with our 1st round pick Makes far more sense than o-line.
whatdrought Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 56 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: These are good points and I can't argue against them as I agree with it to a degree. If you could slide into early rd2 and pick up a 3rd(and using our later picks to sweeten this pit) or 4th, it does make some sense. Beane loves to talk about BPA and he follows it to a certain extent, but he knows what players he really likes and he will target them and go get them, he has done this every draft and his usual comment is that they were rated so high and sticking out like a sore them so we had to go get him. He is also the guy that would rather get his guy and then not have him available when the next pick comes up, if you like a player and he's there at your pick and the value in the board is there you take him. When your next pick comes around he may be gone. IIRC, he has also made a comment saying that if you trade back, you might as well trade out of the entire round, granted this year it makes sense with only 2 picks till RD2. The 5th year option though is something I tend to think he would prefer to have and having a player you like potentially be taken before this next pick, is not a risk I see him taking, unless there are multiple players available. When he traded up for Knox, he indicated that the TE run happened and they had to make a move before they were shut out. I don't see him wanting to trade back and have the run on CBS, for instance, happen before that pick. Yeah, It's a strange year because there is no right answer. Beane has a ton of flexibility, which I'm sure he loves, but makes our guessing games harder. I like the fifth year option on a CB if there's one there you like... I just see a lot of simulations (including this one) where I'm not in love with anyone on the board and would rather have the day 2 flexibility.
SCBills Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 16 hours ago, Virgil said: I really can't imagine them going WR, can you? Diggs and Davis aren't going anywhere, even if Beasley leaves after next season, I can't imagine a #3/4 receiver with our 1st round pick I would be ecstatic with Kadarius Toney. He immediately becomes our KR/PR and he looked phenomenal on the intermediate-range stuff Josh loves to throw. Then add in his freakish ability on screens/short passes. 1
Solomon Grundy Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 16 hours ago, NewEra said: Absolutely. A 6’3 burner with great catch radius. Was the #1 wr coming out of HS. Tremendous talent and he’s the late great Joe Delaneys Nephew Eventual John Brown/Sanders replacement 11 hours ago, NeverOutNick said: Let me know when I should give up on Collins and move to Ossai...no way do I believe we go RB I’m craving for Zaven! 1
NewEra Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 8 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Eventual John Brown/Sanders replacement I’m craving for Zaven! Yup. Our real #2. I love Gabe. I’m just not sold on him being our #2.
Reed83HOF Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 26 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Yeah, It's a strange year because there is no right answer. Beane has a ton of flexibility, which I'm sure he loves, but makes our guessing games harder. I like the fifth year option on a CB if there's one there you like... I just see a lot of simulations (including this one) where I'm not in love with anyone on the board and would rather have the day 2 flexibility. I like drafting this late because it means the team is good, but I miss the blue chippers in the draft lol. Someone in a thread brought up a good point, that this draft will be very different due to the lack of evaluations done last year. Value should be all over the place this year. One thing we should take into account this year is that the FO connections to schools will be even more important. One of the reasons why I also think PSU and SU are schools to look at just due to the overall proximity. The players I'm in love with we have no shot at and it's so darn hard to guess without seeing how the boards fall. Tre was a 27th pick 4 years ago, I tend to think we can find another around this range, but who the hell knows lol 1
ExWNYer Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 Honestly, if this 'Final Four' is there at 30 in the actual NFL draft, I hope that somebody is willing to come up for one of them at the cost of a slight trade back into the 2nd Round by the Bills. Pick up capital in the 2nd and/or 3rd Round this year to either add the flexibility to move around/target specific players of need this year or flip for future draft assets. We'll see if Beane sticks to his perceived m.o. of 'never trading back' or if that is a false narrative now that the Bills are an established contender.
chongli Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 17 hours ago, NewEra said: Absolutely. A 6’3 burner with great catch radius. Was the #1 wr coming out of HS. Tremendous talent and he’s the late great Joe Delaneys Nephew Joe Delaney was a stud. Not too many people here remember him. It's sad how he passed. (BTW, his coach was none other than Marv Levy). 1
NewEra Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, chongli said: Joe Delaney was a stud. Not too many people here remember him. It's sad how he passed. (BTW, his coach was none other than Marv Levy). So sad. One of the best I’ve seen 1
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 Teven Jenkins is clear BPA. He just disappeared from the poll as I was about to vote for him. Could be played at guard to start then moved out to tackle down the line or due to injury. 1
Blokestradamus Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, chongli said: Joe Delaney was a stud. Not too many people here remember him. It's sad how he passed. (BTW, his coach was none other than Marv Levy). Way before my time but I just had a quick look. Seemed like a really decent guy who died trying to help others. Nice to see that they've put a monument to him at the site of his death, hopefully that helps to keep his memory alive in future generations. 1 1
Bray Wyatt Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 I voted for Zaven, helps our defense, and I just have a hunch that even if we pick up option year 5 for tremaine I cant imagine we would want to have that much money tied up into the lb position long term, so this would give us some time to groom. I see him as a fit like Lorax was for us 1
Virgil Posted April 14, 2021 Author Posted April 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said: Teven Jenkins is clear BPA. He just disappeared from the poll as I was about to vote for him. Could be played at guard to start then moved out to tackle down the line or due to injury. He wasn’t going to win in the last 30 min
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