BuffaloBob Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, RiotAct said: that’s not exactly a simple ask though... especially the first part. Life isn’t one-size-fits all. People are right to be skeptical of the government, at all levels. That may have worked against us with the challenge of COVID, but... There is a large gap between healthy skepticism and what is going on these days. 8 1
DrDawkinstein Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: Because you can't. It will be here evolving for DECADES. So dont even bother to try. Just give up and let it infect everyone. Got it. How Boot-strappy American of you. Man, I dont mean to make it personal, but your lack of management/leadership skills is on full display in this thread. Maybe take a break. 3 minutes ago, RiotAct said: that’s not exactly a simple ask though... especially the first part. Life isn’t one-size-fits all. People are right to be skeptical of the government, at all levels. That may have worked against us with the challenge of COVID, but... Skeptical is one thing. Ultra-cynical to the point of detaching from reality is what we have been dealing with. 8 2 2
K-9 Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 13 minutes ago, BuffaloBob said: Isn't it their private decision to follow that county or state regulation? Yes. And they have little choice BUT to follow that regulation as the facility is a county (read government) owned facility. If the Bills didn’t want to follow the regulation, they could try to play elsewhere, but then they’d be in violation of their lease with the county. 1 1 2
HappyDays Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, billsfanmiamioh said: This isn’t necessarily true for everyone. Some people have legitimate medical reasons or are conflicted by the vaccine development process and religious beliefs. It seems like most things that are taking about “requiring” proof of vaccination are allowing for exceptions on these grounds. I’d be surprised if it doesn’t end up being the same here. That's fine but no one has the right to attend Bills games. If you don't want to take the vaccine you can't attend, it's that simple. Just like people had to test negative for covid to attend the playoff games. 4
Boatdrinks Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 Hey, hasnt it been established that showing proof or a document is now “ racist” ? How could Poloncarz and the rest of the County cronies have overlooked this? I expect to hear calls for boycotts any minute now. 2 1 1 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Kelsayrundefense said: If you thinking forcing me to take an unapproved FDA vaccine that was fast tracked for a disease that has less than a .1% mortality rate for my age group is cynical, then I guess I'm cynical. Back in my day, we understood that the reason vaccination is called a 'public health issue' is because to break transmission, enough of the public needs to be vaccinated therefore it's a decision we make for the public good. Make whatever decision you want, but please stop defending it on the grounds that "I'm personally not going to die so whaddo I care?" As for whaddo we all care, we care because maths say with a 70% or 90% effective vaccine and a still widely circulating disease, vaccinated people can still get sick. 6 4
Boxcar Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: So dont even bother to try. Just give up and let it infect everyone. Got it. How Boot-strappy American of you. Man, I dont mean to make it personal, but your lack of management/leadership skills is on full display in this thread. Maybe take a break. Skeptical is one thing. Ultra-cynical to the point of detaching from reality is what we have been dealing with. Speaking of detaching from reality, the average age of someone who dies from Covid is over 80 years. The average life expectancy is a little over 78 years. This whole thing has been a massive overreaction. 3 5 1 1
GoBills808 Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Boxcar said: Speaking of detaching from reality, the average age of someone who dies from Covid is over 80 years. The average life expectancy is a little over 78 years. This whole thing has been a massive overreaction. They're also disproportionately poor and minorities, so even more of an overreaction amirite 2
DrDawkinstein Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Boxcar said: Speaking of detaching from reality, the average age of someone who dies from Covid is over 80 years. The average life expectancy is a little over 78 years. This whole thing has been a massive overreaction. Link or source for your made up stat? 5
Boxcar Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 Just now, GoBills808 said: They're also disproportionately poor and minorities, so even more of an overreaction amirite No, same amount of overreaction as before. I'm not getting sucked in by your race baiting.
whatdrought Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 26 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: It’s not about me, its about the reality of the current situation, and the best known information we as a species have to counter this virus, it’s not that complicated... It is about you though. Your first post, which is now gone (either due to you deleting it, or a mod doing so) was you declaring your way to be the bona-fide truth of enlightenment, while all others are intellectually inferior. That's a you problem. There are two sides to this conversation, and declaring the conversation over and the dissenters idiots doesn't work when the second most powerful person in the world (and someone who is on your side of the conversation) along with the governor of the state in question flip flopped their position mere months ago to fit the political expediency of the moment. I'm not getting into the minutia of the debate, nor have I tried to do that with you. Rather, i was pointing out that your initial ad hominem was douchey. 1 1 1
GoBills808 Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 Just now, Boxcar said: No, same amount of overreaction as before. I'm not getting sucked in by your race baiting. We have three categories to choose from- age, income, race. YOU chose race. 1
SCBills Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: They're also disproportionately poor and minorities, so even more of an overreaction amirite And the overreaction to COVID also disproportionately affected minorities and the poor... so we can both play this game.
Boxcar Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: Link or source for your made up stat? https://www.ft.com/content/879f2a2b-e366-47ac-b67a-8d1326d40b5e I know it doesn't fit your preferred narrative, but maybe sometimes entertain the idea that you might not know everything. 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: We have three categories to choose from- age, income, race. YOU chose race. No, I chose age. Are you dyslexic? 1
DaggersEOD Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 34 minutes ago, teef said: you completely twisted what i said. i think the vaccine works, but it doesn't mean everything is completely back to normal yet. so if people bought the hype, that means they got the vaccine? there's no hype here. it's a decision. it just seems to me that people who choose not to get the vaccine are far more attacking about it that people who have gotten it. some people have been so tricked into think their government is trying to control them...that we're going socialist or communist with these new rules. your freedoms are being taken away! you can accuse people of falling for the hype for taking it, but that is that type of thinking? Im sorry Teef, I’m not really tracking most of this. I respect you as a poster and already acknowledge you as smarter than the people who would think that. And of course it’s their decision. If you’re wondering why these “some people” are so sensitive/prickly it’s probably because people keep telling them that they’re bad people for holding their POV. I don’t think most actively engage those they think are vaccinated to tell them they are dumb. They usually just want to be allowed to make a MORE informed decision. However, they are often met with outrage for their POV, have begun to see instances where “some people” have been discriminated against (something those who are not being discriminated against wouldn’t notice) and are being threatened to be placed in sections only for “some people” if they’re allowed to attend at all. Most free people have a hard time dealing with that with a southern smile on their face. Maybe give them some slack. 🤷♂️ 1 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, DaggersEOD said: You forgot to include those with actual anti-bodies. Much more effective than vaccines in 100% of instances. While you can’t directly add the number of infected to the number vaccinated as there will be considerable overlap, you can at a minimum count all positive cases over the last year as having anti-bodies. Vaccines are a substitute for those who don’t. We’re closer to the 70% than you realize. This is a good thing But no one makes money off anti-bodies, so I fully expect them to not be taken into consideration. 1) Vaccination provokes your body to make an adaptive immune response. This generates "actual" antibodies. Honest! 2) The vaccine would not be effective if, in fact, antibodies in response to the vaccine were "much less effective in 100% of instances". This is a statement made without data or scientific support. 3) Most viruses in fact have mechanisms to suppress the immune system and Sars-CoV2 is one of the sneakier bastards, so it's generally believed that the immune response from being vaccinated is stronger and more effective than the "natural" immune response, especially to a mild or asymptomatic infection. You can't count "all positive cases" over the last year as having antibodies, because there are studies and data showing that especially in the case of asymptomatic infections the antibodies are gone in 3-6 months (whether antibodies are what actually matter to the adaptive immune response to Sars-CoV2 is another question) 4) The problem with herd immunity by natural infection with an RNA virus is that infected people serve as natural incubators for viral mutations. Immunity then runs a footrace with developing variant strains that will be able to end-around immunity. Just now, DaggersEOD said: Im sorry Teef, I’m not really tracking most of this. I respect you as a poster and already acknowledge you as smarter than the people who would think that. And of course it’s their decision. If you’re wondering why these “some people” are so sensitive/prickly it’s probably because people keep telling them that they’re bad people for holding their POV. I don’t think most actively engage those they think are vaccinated to tell them they are dumb. They usually just want to be allowed to make a MORE informed decision. However, they are often met with outrage for their POV, have begun to see instances where “some people” have been discriminated against (something those who are not being discriminated against wouldn’t notice) and are being threatened to be placed in sections only for “some people” if they’re allowed to attend at all. Most free people have a hard time dealing with that with a southern smile on their face. Maybe give them some slack. 🤷♂️ Be easier if one weren't seeing pictures of sheep posted by people who oppose vaccination and hearing about "obedience level" and "crumbs dropped by government" etc etc. Just the point that the insult-slinging is not unidirectional. 5 1 1 2 1
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 3 hours ago, PonyBoy said: What's the big deal?...Most Bill's fans are usually "shot" when they're in the parking lot 🍻 There will be plenty of alcohol around to sterilize the needles. 3
Mike in Horseheads Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: We have three categories to choose from- age, income, race. YOU chose race. Most of these people that deny Covid can't count to three so please change your hard question 1 1 2
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 I ***** give up. We've had pictures of vaccinated people as sheep, insulting vaccinated people as all obese, communism, socialism blah blah blah on the other hand calling unvaccinated people dumb, saying people who deny covid can't count to three, and so forth. This is a reasonable football-related topic but we're obviously not able to discuss it in a reasonable way and I need to do other things than "ride herd" on it 3 4 5
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